UPDATE: Adrian Peterson Suspended Indefinitely, NFL Still A Bunch Of Clowns

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Angry Grimace said:
Because he's not guilty yet. Ray Rice basically did a plea bargain to get off.
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THe NFL personal conduct policy does not REQUIRE any sort of conviction to dish out punishments. AP has admitted to abusing and assaulting a 4 year old child. It would not only be the right thing, but the smart thing (in terms of PR and perception, especially right now) for the league to sit Peterson's ass indefinitely like they have with Ray Rice. Let the PA file an appeal, who gives a fuck? The league needs to stop the bleeding and the owners need to wake up and see that.
 
Archaix said:
Well if that's not the most certain proof that this will turn your kid into a fucked up adult, I don't know what is.
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His brother is widely regarded as the best Mexican chef in the country, so you might have a 50/50 chance of greatness. /s

I don't see how AD is still going to play and is not suspended yet. What he did goes above and beyond "punishment" and is abuse pure and simple. Yet people are willing to forgive him because of "discipline".
 
The Albatross said:
Not even closely related. WWE, to my knowledge, does not have a performers union. There is no guarantee of pay outside of a contract and I think it's pretty rare the wrestlers have multi-year contracts except for the major stars in the business. WWE can suspend you and withhold pay for almost any reason, and then they'd likely settle if there was a dispute. We're also talking a factor of 10 here, there are 1600 NFL players on 53-man rosters, and what, maybe 150 performers signed to WWE + developmental association? (probably less but I don't know the numbers)
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I was more joking in comparing NFL to WWE storyline rules where Vince changes things on a whim.
 
SneakySneaks said:
His brother is widely regarded as the best Mexican chef in the country, so you might have a 50/50 chance of greatness. /s

I don't see how AD is still going to play and is not suspended yet. What he did goes above and beyond "punishment" and is abuse pure and simple. Yet people are willing to forgive him because of "discipline".
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That's how he's going to get to play. You have people like Tony Dungy and Charles Barkley flat out defending the dude and they aren't alone in those sentiments. There's nowhere near as much outrage for this as there was for Ray Rice so they know they can get away with it. Gross stuff.
 
I wonder how many people, sports pundits especially, who are in AP's corner can say they were smacked around by an NFL player built to truck through other huge dudes at four years old.
 
I was fairly certain the Vikings and the NFL would have made an example of him after last week's events...looks like I was wrong. Goddamn.
 
When I first heard about the charges, I figured it was just him spanking a kid and then everyone overreacting about it (and schools especially overreact even if a kid shows up with a bug bite on their hand) . I would never spank a child, but I was spanked as a kid and it certainly worked against me. The beatings my dad gave me probably made me completely immune to the spankings though, so maybe I'm a bit biased on that one.

That said, I then heard a branch was involved. And I was like "What the fuck?" Then I saw pictures and knew exactly why they arrested him. This was a lot more than what I thought it would be.

I have no opinion on whether or not he should play. On one hand, I understand the side of "let the legal system do its thing and then we'll figure it out." On the other hand, the domestic abuse shit that has been exploding lately needs to be enforced way harder than it has been, and a lot of the players have been getting off too easily. Not lifetime bans for first offenses, but at least season long bans should be enforced.
 
As a lifelong Vikings fan I am pretty shocked.. Everyone I know just assumed he had played his last game for us and we were all fine with that based on what we found out. Not sure what to think right now wow.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
THe NFL personal conduct policy does not REQUIRE any sort of conviction to dish out punishments. AP has admitted to abusing and assaulting a 4 year old child. It would not only be the right thing, but the smart thing (in terms of PR and perception, especially right now) for the league to sit Peterson's ass indefinitely like they have with Ray Rice. Let the PA file an appeal, who gives a fuck? The league needs to stop the bleeding and the owners need to wake up and see that.
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Not gonna happen, too much money to lose to sit their stars. Minnesota specifically. And these are the cases they we do know. The NFL is probably thinking which is worse in terms of a PR disaster, beating up women or getting the switch on a child and leaving marks? They've made their decision.
could be a whynotboth.gif situation, but women matter just a little more than a player's own kid.

I'm shocked that others are shocked at that he was gonna play again and so soon
 
to be fair to Stephen A and Skip (and I have no idea why I would be) both were very explicit in saying that this case was child abuse
 
He doesn't deserve 6 games though (per Ray Rice), he needs some sort of family/child counseling.

I got the Shit whopped out if me with a belt as a kid. It hurt like hell, but it definitely put me in my place. I'm sure being an NFL player his pain threshold Is so high that he just doesn't know how to translate over to a child while punishing them.

Plus you got to look at his past. Didn't he beat the shit out of a guy last year who beat his kid? He obviously cares about his Children...

I'd do 3 games at most. And I'm a Packer fan. He just went a little to far
 
mugoldeneagle03 said:
He doesn't deserve 6 games though (per Ray Rice), he needs some sort of family/child counseling.

I got the Shit whopped out if me with a belt as a kid. It hurt like hell, but it definitely put me in my place. I'm sure being an NFL player his pain threshold Is so high that he just doesn't know how to translate over to a child while punishing them.

Plus you got to look at his past. Didn't he beat the shit out of a guy last year who beat his kid? He obviously cares about his Children...

I'd do 3 games at most. And I'm a Packer fan. He just went a little to far
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No he didn't beat the shit out of anyone last year. Pretty sure he had nothing to do with the kid that was killed so not exactly the best example of "he obviously cares about his children"

And I'm not sure why ignorance is a defense. Pretty sure there was a time when people beat their wives as a way of disciplining them. Nowadays that is completely unacceptable. Yet nobody is saying Ray Rice just needs counseling. Beating and abusing your kids should be seen the same way. People need to stop defending this, especially when it usually leads with "I was beat as a kid and...". It's ridiculous.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
No he didn't beat the shit out of anyone last year. Pretty sure he had nothing to do with the kid that was killed so not exactly the best example of "he obviously cares about his children"

And I'm not sure why ignorance is a defense. Pretty sure there was a time when people beat their wives as a way of disciplining them. Nowadays that is completely unacceptable. Yet nobody is saying Ray Rice just needs counseling. Beating and abusing your kids should be seen the same way. People need to stop defending this, especially when it usually leads with "I was beat as a kid and...". It's ridiculous.
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Ray Rice sucker punched his girl, twice, spit on her, and straight up dragged her body around for a bit.

AP was trying to punish his kid and went too far. There's a huge difference. Its still abuse, I'm not saying it isn't, but his intent was completely different than the Rice situation.

And I did get whoopings, as do many others, so yes I'll use that as an "excuse". A branch, a belt, a shoe, soap. It's all the same, had it all. It works, it teaches lessons especially as a young kid.

Sorry you were the perfect child.
 
mugoldeneagle03 said:
He doesn't deserve 6 games though (per Ray Rice), he needs some sort of family/child counseling.

I got the Shit whopped out if me with a belt as a kid. It hurt like hell, but it definitely put me in my place. I'm sure being an NFL player his pain threshold Is so high that he just doesn't know how to translate over to a child while punishing them.

Plus you got to look at his past. Didn't he beat the shit out of a guy last year who beat his kid? He obviously cares about his Children...

I'd do 3 games at most. And I'm a Packer fan. He just went a little to far
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No. He didn't just go "a little too far", he went way, way too far. He admits to beating a 4 year old child brutally with a switch. His son claims he was scared that his father would punch him in the face if he went to authorities. He apparently has a "whooping room".

Furthermore, I understand that you were raised in a certain way and don't feel like it affected you adversely, but there's tons of evidence that corporal punishment is terrible for kids. Things that used to be acceptable are no longer acceptable. I don't think that beating a 4 year old as badly as he beat his son would have been acceptable anytime recently, but even if it was, we realize now that it's a terrible, terrible way to treat a child.

Additionally (and this part isn't directed at you necessarily), I'm really sick of people saying "you've got to discipline children" as if that's a defense for this. You can raise children with discipline without ever laying a hand on them. There is a world between "letting your kids run wild" and hitting them. If you can't learn to discipline your kid without abusing them, you shouldn't be a parent.

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mugoldeneagle03 said:
Sorry you were the perfect child.
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Fuck this attitude. I wasn't a perfect child, none of my siblings were perfect and yet, somehow magically we all became functional productive adults with families of our own without my parents ever laying a hand on us. You can teach children without hitting them. There's no question about this, there are plenty of studies that show it, and yet people still decide to live in this ignorant world of "you've got to hit kids to teach them". Educate yourself, and stop perpetuating a culture of violence against helpless children.
 
mugoldeneagle03 said:
Ray Rice sucker punched his girl, twice, spit on her, and straight up dragged her body around for a bit.

AP was trying to punish his kid and went too far. There's a huge difference. Its still abuse, I'm not saying it isn't, but his intent was completely different than the Rice situation.

And I did get whoopings, as do many others, so yes I'll use that as an "excuse". A branch, a belt, a shoe, soap. It's all the same, had it all. It works, it teaches lessons especially as a young kid.

Sorry you were the perfect child.
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How was the intent different? How do you even know what Rice's intent was? For all we know his fiance was mouthing off to her and he wanted to put her in her place. Sounds like what people do with their kids all the time. To not see a similarity is ridiculous and reeks of ignorance. It's not okay to whip or beat your kids. It's ignorant and lazy to use that as a way to "teach lessons" to a young kid. Parents who do that are the ones who need to be taught lessons in parenting, not their kids.

And for the record, like it matters, I was whipped as a kid, and as an adult I've expressed to my parents about how I believe that was wrong and how it didn't make a damn bit of difference in my upbringing other than to make me unnecessarily afraid of my parents.
 
jmdajr said:
I was more joking in comparing NFL to WWE storyline rules where Vince changes things on a whim.
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Ohhh, nm, I thought you were referring to professional wrestlers and their struggles with drugs, abuse, etc., and how they're released or fired from their promotions.
 
getting whooped with a belt did nothing for me except turn me into a stubborn, smart ass, troublemaker who knew exactly how to avoid punishment.

even if some folks don't believe this qualifies as child abuse, hitting kids is the dumbest thing you can do as a parent. he should be punished further so that we can set an example for idiot parents who choose to communicate like animals.

and before someone says anything, i have to deal with an intensely defiant, aggressive, and energetic child with interpersonal developmental issues on a daily basis. i feel guilty even raising my voice at him.
 
I kinda think we should assume he is innocent until proven otherwise. Maybe he already has been? Idk. I haven't followed this closely.
 
What's the point in playing him, Vikings starting qb is cassel and this is what happens when there's no strict ped testing. I bet he was roid raging at that time.
 
nateeasy said:
I kinda think we should assume he is innocent until proven otherwise. Maybe he already has been? Idk. I haven't followed this closely.
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Upset at him not crying.

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Don't think there's any doubt over his innocence here.
 
mugoldeneagle03 said:
He doesn't deserve 6 games though (per Ray Rice), he needs some sort of family/child counseling.

I got the Shit whopped out if me with a belt as a kid. It hurt like hell, but it definitely put me in my place. I'm sure being an NFL player his pain threshold Is so high that he just doesn't know how to translate over to a child while punishing them.

Plus you got to look at his past. Didn't he beat the shit out of a guy last year who beat his kid? He obviously cares about his Children...

I'd do 3 games at most. And I'm a Packer fan. He just went a little to far
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Terrible argument to make that because something was okay in the past makes it fine in the current day.

AP has kids all over the US it seems with multiple mothers and it seems he doesn't even visit them - at least the one that died (I assume he pays child support at least). So he isn't exactly father of the year.

Someone with Peterson's strength beating down a 4 year old for pushing his brother off a toy is completely unacceptable response to discipline a child. If the NFL is going to indefinitely suspend Rice, then they should do the same to Peterson. He already admitted he did it, even before the court appearance.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
No he didn't beat the shit out of anyone last year. Pretty sure he had nothing to do with the kid that was killed so not exactly the best example of "he obviously cares about his children"

And I'm not sure why ignorance is a defense. Pretty sure there was a time when people beat their wives as a way of disciplining them. Nowadays that is completely unacceptable. Yet nobody is saying Ray Rice just needs counseling. Beating and abusing your kids should be seen the same way. People need to stop defending this, especially when it usually leads with "I was beat as a kid and...". It's ridiculous.
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Lets not forget this is also an NFL player abusing a child, not exactly your typical average joe. Pain and buse to one of these guys is significantly different to a normal person.
 
yeah...

I initially didn't think he did uch wrong but them text makes dude sound batshit.

he gotta sit. At least 6 games bro
 
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