UPDATE: Adrian Peterson Suspended Indefinitely, NFL Still A Bunch Of Clowns

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Eh, I'd be careful in taking those texts as a 100% valid representation of AP's mindset. People are often hyperbolic via text, and we don't know anything at all about how frequent this is, what the family life is like, etc.

I think the emphasis shouldn't be on punishment here but rather, understanding. AP needs to know he went too far, and his family needs to understand exactly what impact his actions are having and how to avoid them moving forward.
 
Mik317 said:
yeah...

I initially didn't think he did uch wrong but them text makes dude sound batshit.

he gotta sit. At least 6 games bro
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He will sit, for sure. At this point it looks to be a given he's guilty of the reckless or negligent injury to a child charge. Once the plea goes through or the guilty verdict comes down its time for the NFL to act and sit him for a while.
 
TheCrazyGuru said:
Terrible argument to make that because something was okay in the past makes it fine in the current day.

AP has kids all over the US it seems with multiple mothers and it seems he doesn't even visit them - at least the one that died (I assume he pays child support at least). So he isn't exactly father of the year.

Someone with Peterson's strength beating down a 4 year old for pushing his brother off a toy is completely unacceptable response to discipline a child. If the NFL is going to indefinitely suspend Rice, then they should do the same to Peterson. He already admitted he did it, even before the court appearance.
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Peterson never even knew about the child until it was to late because the mother never told him about the kid. Let's at least keep the stories straight.
 
Ikuu said:
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Upset at him not crying.

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Don't think there's any doubt over his innocence here.
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WTF
 
Gentleman Jack said:
And the direct way to let him know this is for the NFL and his team to not let him practice or play. He's a grown ass man, he needs some big boy consequences, not a 'there there, now let's pretend this never happened' move like this.
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I don't think this is that though. I honestly believe AP didn't know that the way he choose to discipline his child was not acceptable in today's society and abusive. I don't think he's a systematic child abuser it's just the way he grew up. Him sitting that game out and face legal consequences ought to illustrate that to him and give him time to catch up with the rest of us.
 
Those texts are nothing compared to the pics of the 4 YEAR OLD BOY, that was beaten. Once again, I was attacked by someone 3 months ago, and I didn't have as many marks 4 days after like the boy did. Adrian Peterson should not be allowed to be near a child ever again.
 
Gentleman Jack said:
And the direct way to let him know this is for the NFL and his team to not let him practice or play. He's a grown ass man, he needs some big boy consequences, not a 'there there, now let's pretend this never happened' move like this.
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Well the question is how many games? Are six lashes worth six games? An automatic 6 game suspension for evidence of corporal punishment? In that case, the NFL now has a right to interfere with how their employees raise their children? Because corporal punishment is an issue that is very much divided around the country.
 
Dark FaZe said:
Well the question is how many games? Are six lashes worth six games? An automatic 6 game suspension for evidence of corporal punishment? In that case, the NFL now has a right to interfere with how their employees raise their children? Because corporal punishment is an issue that is very much divided around the country.
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Well 6 games on a first offense is what Roger announced was the new domestic violence policy, and I don't see how admitting to beating the shit out of your four year old son isn't a case of domestic violence.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Well 6 games on a first offense is what Roger announced was the new domestic violence policy, and I don't see how admitting to beating the shit out of your four year old son isn't a case of domestic violence.
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They just mean beating adults. Beating kids isn't that big of a deal since they don't make product purchasing decisions.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Well 6 games on a first offense is what Roger announced was the new domestic violence policy, and I don't see how admitting to beating the shit out of your four year old son isn't a case of domestic violence.
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I'd nearly forgotten about that, and you're indeed right:

Finally, and consistent with our Personal Conduct Policy, our own response to domestic violence or sexual assault incidents by NFL personnel will include new elements of evaluation, treatment and family support, as well as enhanced discipline. We will address these issues fairly and thoughtfully, respecting the rights of all involved and giving proper deference to law enforcement and the courts. If someone is charged with domestic violence or sexual assault, there will be a mandatory evaluation and, where professionally indicated, counseling or other specialized services. Effective immediately, violations of the Personal Conduct Policy regarding assault, battery, domestic violence or sexual assault that involve physical force will be subject to a suspension without pay of six games for a first offense, with consideration given to mitigating factors, as well as a longer suspension when circumstances warrant. Among the circumstances that would merit a more severe penalty would be a prior incident before joining the NFL, or violence involving a weapon, choking, repeated striking, or when the act is committed against a pregnant woman or in the presence of a child.
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Under these guidelines AP shouldn't be playing football.
 
Dark FaZe said:
Eh, I'd be careful in taking those texts as a 100% valid representation of AP's mindset. People are often hyperbolic via text, and we don't know anything at all about how frequent this is, what the family life is like, etc.

I think the emphasis shouldn't be on punishment here but rather, understanding. AP needs to know he went too far, and his family needs to understand exactly what impact his actions are having and how to avoid them moving forward.
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If only this twisted fucker had thought the same.
 
mugoldeneagle03 said:
Ray Rice sucker punched his girl, twice, spit on her, and straight up dragged her body around for a bit.

AP was trying to punish his kid and went too far. There's a huge difference. Its still abuse, I'm not saying it isn't, but his intent was completely different than the Rice situation.

And I did get whoopings, as do many others, so yes I'll use that as an "excuse". A branch, a belt, a shoe, soap. It's all the same, had it all. It works, it teaches lessons especially as a young kid.

Sorry you were the perfect child.
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Define "it works".
 
I assume his letter was posted already? http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...terson-apologizes-says-hes-not-a-child-abuser

A portion..
"I am not a perfect son. I am not a perfect husband. I am not a perfect parent, but I am, without a doubt, not a child abuser. I am someone that disciplined his child and did not intend to cause him any injury. No one can understand the hurt that I feel for my son and for the harm I caused him. My goal is always to teach my son right from wrong and that’s what I tried to do that day.

I accept the fact that people feel very strongly about this issue and what they think about my conduct. Regardless of what others think, however, I love my son very much and I will continue to try to become a better father and person."

Sounds like his seeking out help prior to this going public may go a long ways even within the criminal arena. We shall see...
 
Not surprised he's back already. AP's one of the best players in the league. Not many teams (if any) would've gone without him for long.
 
Two Words said:
Define "it works".
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It works because if he admits it didn't work then he is admitting that he was a victim of abuse and his parents beat him for no justifiable reason other than being victims of a reprehensible cycle of violence perpetuated by the "it works" mentality.
 
U2NUMB said:
I assume his letter was posted already? http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...terson-apologizes-says-hes-not-a-child-abuser

A portion..
"I am not a perfect son. I am not a perfect husband. I am not a perfect parent, but I am, without a doubt, not a child abuser. I am someone that disciplined his child and did not intend to cause him any injury. No one can understand the hurt that I feel for my son and for the harm I caused him. My goal is always to teach my son right from wrong and that’s what I tried to do that day.

I accept the fact that people feel very strongly about this issue and what they think about my conduct. Regardless of what others think, however, I love my son very much and I will continue to try to become a better father and person."
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Can't really buy a word he says if he can't admit that it was child abuse.
 
mugoldeneagle03 said:
And I did get whoopings, as do many others, so yes I'll use that as an "excuse". A branch, a belt, a shoe, soap. It's all the same, had it all. It works, it teaches lessons especially as a young kid.
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Hahahahaha. No. Not at all.

http://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/04/spanking.aspx

http://www.apa.org/about/policy/corporal-punishment.aspx

http://www.apsa.org/About_APsaA/Position_Statements/Physical_Punishment.aspx

http://healthland.time.com/2012/07/...t-increases-your-kids-risk-of-mental-illness/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/17/us-physical-punishment-idUSBREA0G16C20140117

I could go on and on, but you probably get the point. Rely on your anecdotal evidence all you want, but the empirical evidence clearly suggests you are very much wrong.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
What does the bible say about sticking your dick in anything with a pulse?
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Bible doesn't matter for him. It only matters about those mean old gay people he felt the need to condemn while his own seed was getting the shit kicked out of him because daddy couldn't even be bothered to take note of who he fucks.


Adrian Peterson is the worst type of human, and I won't watch the NFL anymore behind this.
 
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Roddy White isn't exactly alone in his thought process. Unless more people see the pictures there won't be enough outrage to force the Vikings' hand.
 
TangoAlphaLima said:
Hahahahaha. No. Not at all.

http://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/04/spanking.aspx

http://www.apa.org/about/policy/corporal-punishment.aspx

http://www.apsa.org/About_APsaA/Position_Statements/Physical_Punishment.aspx

http://healthland.time.com/2012/07/...t-increases-your-kids-risk-of-mental-illness/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/17/us-physical-punishment-idUSBREA0G16C20140117

I could go on and on, but you probably get the point. Rely on your anecdotal evidence all you want, but the empirical evidence clearly suggests you are very much wrong.
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If people cared about empirical evidence or science they would already know where the consensus of research was. This is just one of those areas where, like bullying, people keep perpetuating the cycle and try to rationalize it by saying it happened to me and they turned out 'ok'. It's more about getting even psychologically or feeling powerful than obtaining a good result. People research all kinds of things when raising kids from what the best food is, music to listen to, how they should sleep, but when it comes to whether beating your kid is a good idea, suddenly it's fuck google, gimmie that belt. To say nothing of the fact that you as an individual would be literally the worst source for an objective evaluation of how you turned out (not that you turned out bad, just that it's funny because your self-opinion doesn't carry that much weight).
 
TangoAlphaLima said:
Hahahahaha. No. Not at all.

http://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/04/spanking.aspx

http://www.apa.org/about/policy/corporal-punishment.aspx

http://www.apsa.org/About_APsaA/Position_Statements/Physical_Punishment.aspx

http://healthland.time.com/2012/07/...t-increases-your-kids-risk-of-mental-illness/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/17/us-physical-punishment-idUSBREA0G16C20140117

I could go on and on, but you probably get the point. Rely on your anecdotal evidence all you want, but the empirical evidence clearly suggests you are very much wrong.
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Thank you. I really dislike seeing the "it worked on me" argument. My dad spanked me and while I can't say with certainty that it harmed me, I don't think it helped. I've mentioned it before and I don't think he really thinks it's the right thing to do anymore, but I don't hold it against my parents.

But in 2014 with the internet so widely available, people can know better. AP is a wealthy man and he has access to information. No excuse to be the ignorant person he is.
 
As always it seems, this is another example of excess. I would give a parent the benefit of the doubt on discipline generally speaking. I had a friend post on facebook that AP hitting his kid with a switch was a good thing and he defended him.

But shit man. My son is 6, my daughter is 2. I know how 4 year olds can be. My son never even came remotely close to needing even mild physical punishment. from what I've seen of his peers, 99% of them don't. There is that 1% who are wild and need some kind of discipline, but even they wouldn't benefit from being beat with a stick or belt, regularly apparently, at age 4.

Swat on the ass with an open hand to get attention? Sure. Physically pick them up and sit them down in a time out thing. Or raise your voice and get in their face, if necessary. But drawing blood from a 4 year old, and regularly beating them in the "beating room" yeah that's just scaring the poor kid.

I'm sure he thought he was helping but come on dude. You're out of control.
 
Mudcrab said:
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Roddy White isn't exactly alone in his thought process. Unless more people see the pictures there won't be enough outrage to force the Vikings' hand.
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those pictures shouldn't be made available for public viewing imo, it should be illegal to host images of a childs inner thighs, underwear, etc
 
TangoAlphaLima said:
Hahahahaha. No. Not at all.

http://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/04/spanking.aspx

http://www.apa.org/about/policy/corporal-punishment.aspx

http://www.apsa.org/About_APsaA/Position_Statements/Physical_Punishment.aspx

http://healthland.time.com/2012/07/...t-increases-your-kids-risk-of-mental-illness/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/17/us-physical-punishment-idUSBREA0G16C20140117

I could go on and on, but you probably get the point. Rely on your anecdotal evidence all you want, but the empirical evidence clearly suggests you are very much wrong.
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People stick their heads in the sand.
"Climate change doesn't exist"
"Vacinations cause autism"
"Why we got monkeys if we evolved from them"

The information is out there, but people like to go with anecdotal crap because "that's how they were raised".
 
Dark FaZe said:
those pictures shouldn't be made available for public viewing imo, it should be illegal to host images of a childs inner thighs, underwear, etc
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lol wtf?? now i understand the idea that having these pictures publicly available is not nice for the person affected (similarly to what happened with Rihanna for example)
but unless they were taken in a sexual context there is no reason for pictures of a child in underwear to be illegal.
Now one could argue that pictures of a child that was severely beaten and abused should be illegal in order to protect the childs privacy. But that's not the point you were making.
 
Two Words said:
Can't really buy a word he says if he can't admit that it was child abuse.
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Yeah.

He abused his child. He needs to recognize that's what he did. There's no good to be found in continuing to pursue this rationalization & justification.

He abused his kid. He doesn't have to keep doing it, though. And a really good step towards changing the way he thinks about discipline is to openly acknowledge that despite his noble intentions, he abused his four year old son.

It's a lot harder to change if you never actually admit where you went wrong.
 
Dark FaZe said:
those pictures shouldn't be made available for public viewing imo, it should be illegal to host images of a childs inner thighs, underwear, etc
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Well I'm also talking about the pics of the texts he sent and I agree with you to a point, but unless you can somehow show the public the kind of injuries he inflicted on his son people will continue to think of him as the victim.
 
Mudcrab said:
Well I'm also talking about the pics of the texts he sent and I agree with you to a point, but unless you can somehow show the public the kind of injuries he inflicted on his son people will continue to think of him as the victim.
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Some of the ones of his stomach might be alright but I was uncomfortable with us just passing out photos of a childs visible underwear and inner thighs.

It's not a huge deal I just think outlets should be careful in general
 
Dark FaZe said:
Some of the ones of his stomach might be alright but I was uncomfortable with us just passing out photos of a childs visible underwear and inner thighs.

It's not a huge deal I just think outlets should be careful in general
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So you are more upset that you saw a boy in his underwear than at Adrian Petsrson for inflicting the wounds?
 
I wonder how vociferous the boos/jeers will be for ADP at the Superdome during this weekend's game.
Expecting a volatile fanbase to begin with as the Saints are 0-2 and just lost their own top RB to injury.

diaspora said:
Wait, so to be clear, he's playing after assaulting a 4 year old child?
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Yep. The NFL believes that scarring a child when reprimanding them is normal punishment practice.
They would like us all to wield foreign objects and to brutalize our children's genitalia with them like ADP has.
That's just good parenting.
 
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