UPDATE: Adrian Peterson Suspended Indefinitely, NFL Still A Bunch Of Clowns

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Ironically, the NFL will now discipline Spielman and the entire Vikings organization.
 
Is it really alleged anymore when he admitted to it + the pictures?

I don't know what you want to call it. He hasn't been convicted in a court of law, and I'm always careful to make that distinction -- but I agree, I'd be fine with just saying "he did it" in this particular case, given the evidence.
 
How many kids does he have?

Who knows? Sounds like he has multiple children with different women across the country. At least 3. There's the one that died by being beaten, the child that was pushed off a video game motorcycle by the child that Adrian Peterson physically abused with a switch. So at least 2 alive sons, and 1 dead one.
 
I wonder how vociferous the boos/jeers will be for ADP at the Superdome during this weekend's game.
Expecting a volatile fanbase to begin with as the Saints are 0-2 and just lost their own top RB to injury.


Yep. The NFL believes that scarring a child when reprimanding them is normal punishment practice.
They would like us all to wield foreign objects and to brutalize our children's genitalia with them like ADP has.
That's just good parenting.

Well, I mean putting aside even the physical/mental scarring I can't understand someone committing assault, admitting to it and their employer just letting it slide.
 
Sidenote: can someone link me to a source for this? I haven't seen this anywhere.

Peterson also allegedly said via text message to the child’s mother that he “felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh” and also acknowledged the injury to the child’s scrotum in a text message, saying, “Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-peterson-indictment-charges/
 
So...


Vikings PR:

Basically we suck without AP. Despite the fact that he's a child abuser, we're going to activate him for next game because he's our only shot at winning games for this organization.
 
Wow, and here I thought AP was one of the few "good guys" in the league, and then this comes out. I, like many others, got my ass tanned by switches, belts, paddles, etc. I decided long ago to only give an open-hand smack on the butt once to get my child's attention, but to never go that far. What AP did was overkill, and I truly wonder if he has some anger issues he needs to sort out along the way as well.

Good god, this NFL season is turning into a joke with all of these off the field stories. Cris Carter said something yesterday that I fully agree with: take these guys off the field when they commit a crime. That's the only thing they seem to love, and maybe they'll take their off field/off season behavior more seriously if you threaten to take the privilege of playing on Sundays away from them.
 
Sidenote: can someone link me to a source for this? I haven't seen this anywhere.

you can google adrian peterson son injuries or if you want to really hone in on it use testicles instead of injuries, there's a lot of reports that he hit the kid in the nuts which is why he then felt bad and texted the mother which led to going to the doctor and all of this coming out.
 
Sidenote: can someone link me to a source for this? I haven't seen this anywhere.

http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/12/adrian-peterson-indicted-for-child-abuse/

4:12 PM PT -- According to the police report, Peterson allegedly sent text messages to the child's mother saying he "felt bad" because he struck the kid in the testicles.


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/12/adrian-peterson-indicted-for-child-abuse/#ixzz3DPredVka

But, it's okay because he felt bad.
 
Wow, and here I thought AP was one of the few "good guys" in the league, and then this comes out. I, like many others, got my ass tanned by switches, belts, paddles, etc. I decided long ago to only give an open-hand smack on the butt once to get my child's attention, but to never go that far. What AP did was overkill, and I truly wonder if he has some anger issues he needs to sort out along the way as well.

Good god, this NFL season is turning into a joke with all of these off the field stories. Cris Carter said something yesterday that I fully agree with: take these guys off the field when they commit a crime. That's the only thing they seem to love, and maybe they'll take their off field/off season behavior more seriously if you threaten to take the privilege of playing on Sundays away from them.
Sorry, but what made you think he was a good guy before this?

He is the one who compared NFL players to slaves and came out against gay marriage.
 
I assume his letter was posted already? http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...terson-apologizes-says-hes-not-a-child-abuser

A portion..
"I am not a perfect son. I am not a perfect husband. I am not a perfect parent, but I am, without a doubt, not a child abuser. I am someone that disciplined his child and did not intend to cause him any injury. No one can understand the hurt that I feel for my son and for the harm I caused him. My goal is always to teach my son right from wrong and that's what I tried to do that day.

I accept the fact that people feel very strongly about this issue and what they think about my conduct. Regardless of what others think, however, I love my son very much and I will continue to try to become a better father and person."


Sounds like his seeking out help prior to this going public may go a long ways even within the criminal arena. We shall see...

I can't see him as a child abuser. Child abuse and discipline is 2 wholly different areas.

Child abuse is punching children for no reason, hitting kids, beating them mercilessly, the whole 9 yards.

Discipline can be as something simple as psychological (feeding your kid tobasco sauce for cursing) to sometimes a spanking or receiving a wooden spoon or belt.

I received some fair share of corporal punishment, sometimes the belt, other times
the tabasco sauce, but never have my parents beaten me the way child abuse really can be.

AP was treading that really grey area with using a branch. His apology seems genuine, but the guy has to know he can't do things like that as a professional athlete where a camera is shoved into your life nearly 24/7.

But all this proved was that Roger Goodell sold the fans that he was the guy that could clean the league's image up, and his recent failures at this are making him look bad. AP should've sat out 6 games out of respect for the new DV policy.
 
I can't see him as a child abuser. Child abuse and discipline is 2 wholly different areas.

FALSE. That's some "why we still got monkeys" shit.

 
Sorry, but what made you think he was a good guy before this?

He is the one who compared NFL players to slaves and came out against gay marriage.

Mostly that he's one of the few non-QB star player of a team that you never really heard anything negative about off the field. I can look past a few bone headed comments that I may not agree with. I never thought I would see him do something like this.
 
I can't see him as a child abuser. Child abuse and discipline is 2 wholly different areas.

Child abuse is punching children for no reason, hitting kids, beating them mercilessly, the whole 9 yards.

Discipline can be as something simple as psychological (feeding your kid tobasco sauce for cursing) to sometimes a spanking or receiving a wooden spoon or belt.

I received some fair share of corporal punishment, sometimes the belt, other times
the tabasco sauce, but never have my parents beaten me the way child abuse really can be.

AP was treading that really grey area with using a branch. His apology seems genuine, but the guy has to know he can't do things like that as a professional athlete where a camera is shoved into your life nearly 24/7.

But all this proved was that Roger Goodell sold the fans that he was the guy that could clean the league's image up, and his recent failures at this are making him look bad. AP should've sat out 6 games out of respect for the new DV policy.
You believe those words are from his mouth? LOL. He has PR dude. They're doing the best to save his ass.
 
I can't see him as a child abuser. Child abuse and discipline is 2 wholly different areas.

Child abuse is punching children for no reason, hitting kids, beating them mercilessly, the whole 9 yards.

Discipline can be as something simple as psychological (feeding your kid tobasco sauce for cursing) to sometimes a spanking or receiving a wooden spoon or belt.

I received some fair share of corporal punishment, sometimes the belt, other times
the tabasco sauce, but never have my parents beaten me the way child abuse really can be.

AP was treading that really grey area with using a branch. His apology seems genuine, but the guy has to know he can't do things like that as a professional athlete where a camera is shoved into your life nearly 24/7.

But all this proved was that Roger Goodell sold the fans that he was the guy that could clean the league's image up, and his recent failures at this are making him look bad. AP should've sat out 6 games out of respect for the new DV policy.

So having a "whipping room" and shoving leaves in the child's mouth is not abuse? You don't call what he did "beating mercilessly"? I'm sure the 4 year old boy felt AP wasn't showing mercy. The 4 year old boy had reason to believe AP would punch him as well. But I'm sure, the boy just has an over active imagination. I'm sorry for the abuse you experienced. I hope you are strong enough to break the cycle of violence.
 
Wow the NFL is losing it. They have no idea what they are doing it.

And I will never get why it is not ok to hit adults with sticks but ok to hit kids.
 
Why is there even a fight over the "That's how I was raised" stuff?

Getting hit with a belt, hand, switch, whatever is how a lot of folks were raised as far as discipline goes.

I doubt very much that many of us were hit so hard that our skin tore open and we had open wounds.

Corporal Punishment isn't abuse, but hitting a kid like AP did is. Is this hard to understand? I don't get it.
 
Why is there even a fight over the "That's how I was raised" stuff?

Getting hit with a belt, hand, switch, whatever is how a lot of folks were raised as far as discipline goes.

I doubt very much that many of us were hit so hard that our skin tore open and we had open wounds.

Corporal Punishment isn't abuse, but hitting a kid like AP did is. Is this hard to understand? I don't get it.

It sickens me. Pretty much every state says that if a mark is left, it's abuse. Texas, fucking Texas is indicting him. Even they believe it's abuse.
 
FALSE. That's some "why we still got monkeys" shit.

From the first link:

A study published last year in Child Abuse and Neglect revealed an intergenerational cycle of violence in homes where physical punishment was used. Researchers interviewed parents and children age 3 to 7 from more than 100 families. Children who were physically punished were more likely to endorse hitting as a means of resolving their conflicts with peers and siblings.

Parents who had experienced frequent physical punishment during their childhood were more likely to believe it was acceptable, and they frequently spanked their children. Their children, in turn, often believed spanking was an appropriate disciplinary method. The negative effects of physical punishment may not become apparent for some time, Gershoff says. “A child doesn’t get spanked and then run out and rob a store,” she says. “There are indirect changes in how the child thinks about things and feels about things.”

As in many areas of science, some researchers disagree about the validity of the studies on physical punishment. Robert Larzelere, PhD, an Oklahoma State University professor who studies parental discipline, was a member of the APA task force who issued his own minority report because he disagreed with the scientific basis of the task force recommendations.

While he agrees that parents should reduce their use of physical punishment, he says most of the cited studies are correlational and don’t show a causal link between physical punishment and long-term negative effects for children. “The studies do not discriminate well between non-abusive and overly severe types of corporal punishment,” Larzelere says. “You get worse outcomes from corporal punishment than from alternative disciplinary techniques only when it is used more severely or as the primary discipline tactic.
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AP said himself he was raised that way. Do I think it's child abuse though? No it's not IMO.

You believe those words are from his mouth? LOL. He has PR dude. They're doing the best to save his ass.

He's done a whole lot of good for the NFL, so because of a few opinionated missteps, he deserves to be removed from the NFL?

Re-read what I wrote. I said he should've sat out 6 games to adhere to the domestic violence statute.

So having a "whipping room" and shoving leaves in the child's mouth is not abuse? You don't call what he did "beating mercilessly"? I'm sure the 4 year old boy felt AP wasn't showing mercy. The 4 year old boy had reason to believe AP would punch him as well. But I'm sure, the boy just has an over active imagination. I'm sorry for the abuse you experienced. I hope you are strong enough to break the cycle of violence.

Get off your high horse. I don't want your fucking pity.

I never experienced abuse. Abuse and corporal punishment are wholly different.
 
I'm completely against hitting your kids in any way as punishment, but I don't know if they're going to come down hard on him. Unfortunately, this is very close to "normal" for many people. If we live in a world where hitting your kids is an acceptable form of discipline for a lot of people, then the pictures only show that maybe Peterson swung a little too hard a couple times, but hey, "it happens" and he's sorry.

At the very least, it'll be discussed and shown as an example for how not to discipline a child, and maybe save some kids from a lot of pain.
 
Why is there even a fight over the "That's how I was raised" stuff?

Getting hit with a belt, hand, switch, whatever is how a lot of folks were raised as far as discipline goes.

I doubt very much that many of us were hit so hard that our skin tore open and we had open wounds.

Corporal Punishment isn't abuse, but hitting a kid like AP did is. Is this hard to understand? I don't get it.

No, corporal punishment is abusive.
From the first link:


AP said himself he was raised that way. Do I think it's child abuse though?

No it's not IMO.



He's done a whole lot of good for the NFL, so because of a few opinionated missteps, he deserves to be removed from the NFL?

Re-read what I wrote. I said he should've sat out 6 games to adhere to the domestic violence statute.

Did you even read what you quoted? It says that it's objectively worse than alternatives even if it won't result in kids growing up to be crooks.
 
From the first link:


AP said himself he was raised that way. Do I think it's child abuse though?

No it's not IMO.



He's done a whole lot of good for the NFL, so because of a few opinionated missteps, he deserves to be removed from the NFL?

Re-read what I wrote. I said he should've sat out 6 games to adhere to the domestic violence statute.
If AP and you say it's not child abuse, then I guess we are done here. /thread
 
He's done a whole lot of good for the NFL, so because of a few opinionated missteps, he deserves to be removed from the NFL?

Re-read what I wrote. I said he should've sat out 6 games to adhere to the domestic violence statute.
I'm not commenting about any of that. I'm just laughing at the fact that you believe that is his apology. He deserves to sit out much longer than 6 games. At least the rest of the season.

You cannot hit a kid until he bleeds, put leaves in his mouth to keep him quiet, and brag about how he didn't cry during his beatings. There is no way to defend any of that. The kid is 4....4. AP deserves to lose his children.
 
I'm not commenting about any of that. I'm just laughing at the fact that you believe that is his apology. He deserves to sit out much longer than 6 games. At least the rest of the season.

You cannot hit a kid until he bleeds, put leaves in his mouth to keep him quiet, and brag about how he didn't cry during his beatings. There is no way to defend any of that. The kid is 4....4. AP deserves to lose his children.

And his job. You don't get to fucking assault another person and leave the punishment at sitting out a few games.
 
And his job. You don't get to fucking assault another person and leave the punishment at sitting out a few games.
I would not be upset if he were banned for life from the NFL. I can't even comprehend how you beat a 4 year old this badly. The worst part is that his other son was beaten to death not long a go!
 
America, the place where you can do whatever you want aslong you are famous?..

I want to say it's a sports thing but there were people defending Polanski.

I would not be upset if he were banned for life from the NFL. I can't even comprehend how you beat a 4 year old this badly. The worst part is that his other son was beaten to death not long a go!

I don't get how anyone can assault another person and not get fired and indicted. If I was at a bar and assaulted someone for being uncooperative, or rude, you can bet that I'd have my ass raked over coals over it- there's no reason that I ought to be able to get away with hitting a 4 year old because he's being a douchebag.
 
I would not be upset if he were banned for life from the NFL. I can't even comprehend how you beat a 4 year old this badly. The worst part is that his other son was beaten to death not long a go!

Apparently, it's only wrong or abusive if it results in a death, according to some people.
 
Who cares about been banned from playing Football?
Who gives a shit about sports at a time like this?

This bastard should be in jail.
I hope that even in America, child abuse is still child abuse.

I don't think it is even a famous thing. Many people are fine with beating kids. Don't ask me why.

He didn't give his kid a smack on the arse or a clip round the ear.
From what I read he cut the hell out of him with a branch from a fucking tree!

That is grievous bodily harm by any measure.
 
No, corporal punishment is abusive.

Did you even read what you quoted? It says that it's objectively worse than alternatives even if it won't result in kids growing up to be crooks.

Yes I did:

The studies do not discriminate well between non-abusive and overly severe types of corporal punishment,” Larzelere says. “You get worse outcomes from corporal punishment than from alternative disciplinary techniques only when it is used more severely or as the primary discipline tactic.”

"only when it is used more severely or as the primary discipline tactic".

Using a tree branch with lots of grooves and marks approaches that line clearly. AP should be fined and sitting 6 games.

I didn't say anything about whether or not that kind of punishment results in more criminal activity, but there is a separate line between child abuse and corporal punishment and I felt based on what I've read and heard from the man than his intentions are somewhat genuine, if not short sighted, but I can't condemn the man for child abuse.

If AP and you say it's not child abuse, then I guess we are done here. /thread

Are you done with your snark?
 
Yes I did:



"only when it is used more severely or as the primary discipline tactic".

Using a tree branch with lots of grooves and marks approaches that line clearly. AP should be fined and sitting 6 games.

I didn't say anything about whether or not that kind of punishment results in more criminal activity, but there is a separate line between child abuse and corporal punishment and I felt based on what I've read and heard from the man than his intentions are somewhat genuine, if not short sighted.



Are you done with your snark?
Hitting is inherently a more severe "punishment"; corporal punishment is literally the exact same thing as abuse. Not to mention it's the method of fools. And you know what? No, AP shouldn't be sitting out of 6 games, he needs to be in prison for aggravated assault because... that's objectively what he did. He deliberately committed bodily harm to another person.
 
Hitting is inherently a more severe "punishment". Not to mention it's the method of fools.

That's a fairly obvious statement, but I also believe that AP has tried other methods of punishment as well.

Most parents, especially ones that were hit in their childhoods, don't like to jump anywhere near corporal punishment easily. They know firsthand how crappy it can be.
 
Hitting is inherently a more severe "punishment".

I can think of a lot of psychological or emotional punishments that are a lot more severe than a smack on the bottom.


That said, obviously what AP did is above and beyond any reasonable punishment, especially for a 4 year old
 
That's a fairly obvious statement, but I also believe that AP has tried other methods of punishment as well.

Most parents, especially ones that were hit in their childhoods, don't like to jump anywhere near corporal punishment easily. They know firsthand how crappy it can be.

That makes its use by them that much worse.

I can think of a lot of psychological or emotional punishments that are a lot more severe than a smack on the bottom.

No shit. Did I say more or most?
 
Yes I did:



"only when it is used more severely or as the primary discipline tactic".

Using a tree branch with lots of grooves and marks approaches that line clearly. AP should be fined and sitting 6 games.

I didn't say anything about whether or not that kind of punishment results in more criminal activity, but there is a separate line between child abuse and corporal punishment and I felt based on what I've read and heard from the man than his intentions are somewhat genuine, if not short sighted, but I can't condemn the man for child abuse.



Are you done with your snark?

I'll stop the snark when you stop defending child abuse and the abusers.
 
It sickens me. Pretty much every state says that if a mark is left, it's abuse. Texas, fucking Texas is indicting him. Even they believe it's abuse.
This is what I keep telling all the people I've talked to about this who think it was probably just discipline.

Texas indicted him

TEXAS. Of all places, TEXAS, is the state that put him on trial for this.

After that every single person has just kinda agreed with me. Lol
 
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