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Korezo said:
Another year of waiting and hoping for the next line.. I just don't want to buy a gpu so then the real technological advancements will be on the next version, reason why I still have a 580.
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I think you should wait for Volta then ;)

Or is it called Pascal now?
 
Looking forward to the official specs, ended up buying a 780 Ti a few weeks ago, when my "old" 670 suddenly died. I'm not expecting a big performance jump, but if the new cards are more efficient and reasonably priced, I may try selling my 780 Ti to make the upgrade. Even my non-reference 780 Ti gets hot and loud when I play something demanding at 1440p.
 
Korezo said:
Another year of waiting and hoping for the next line.. I just don't want to buy a gpu so then the real technological advancements will be on the next version, reason why I still have a 580.
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Performance gaps between subsequent releases will continue to shrink. Mainly for business reasons but also due to the fact that the competition isn't very great. It also doesn't help the consoles are so weak in comparison to the hardware this time around. With the 360 there was a brief period where it was very close to the top-of-the-line hardware. This time around consoles were dwarfed compared to what was already on the market and most games won't exceed what the consoles can't handle... which will make these sort of GPUs even more of a niche product.
 
Yoda said:
Performance gaps between subsequent releases will continue to shrink. Mainly for business reasons but also due to the fact that the competition isn't very great.
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Well, its *mainly* because progress is actually slowing down.

The consoles have nothing to do with this.
 
Fractal said:
Looking forward to the official specs, ended up buying a 780 Ti a few weeks ago, when my "old" 670 suddenly died. I'm not expecting a big performance jump, but if the new cards are more efficient and reasonably priced, I may try selling my 780 Ti to make the upgrade. Even my non-reference 780 Ti gets hot and loud when I play something demanding at 1440p.
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Slightly better than 780Ti for $499 and uses about 175W instead of the 250(?) for 780Ti. Still no official word on it, but all leaks so far makes it almost confirmed.
 
Dictator93 said:
What could end up happening technically is that the 780 Ti never goes down in price on most markets due to weirdness. It happened with the 280 and 285 for some reason. So just be weary (as always).
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You can already get the 780ti pretty cheap here, but it's not really worth it due to the vram limitations.
 
Seanspeed said:
Well, its *mainly* because progress is actually slowing down.

The consoles have nothing to do with this.
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This needs to be repeated more often.

Die shrinks have mostly been showing up exclusively in mobile products - tablets and phones and the like. We've been having to wait for that progress to trickle back down into the GPU space, and that really has absolutely nothing to do with competition or the consoles. TSMC simply fabricates for the highest bidder, and Nvidia has been losing out in that regard.
 
Faith said:
I think you should wait for Volta then ;)

Or is it called Pascal now?
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Yes

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Damerman said:
Any Impressions From anyone who switched from AMD to Nvidea? I just want to know because what makes me most skeptical about switching over is the constant updating of drivers. Sometimes they work, sometimes you have to revert back to an older version... i just think that this is too intrusive... so if anyone can confirm that its not that much more a hassle to owning an AMD card, that would be cool.
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Never during the last five years I had to do what you're describing on an NV card. Their drivers are excellent and are easily more stable than AMD's even now. Also NV updates the driver less frequently than AMD does.
 
dr_rus said:
Never during the last five years I had to do what you're describing on an NV card. Their drivers are excellent and are easily more stable than AMD's even now. Also NV updates the driver less frequently than AMD does.
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Driver rollbacks are required every now and then. Once recently, and then once about a year back.
 
Xyber said:
Slightly better than 780Ti for $499 and uses about 175W instead of the 250(?) for 780Ti. Still no official word on it, but all leaks so far makes it almost confirmed.
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Yeah, I've been following the leaks, but still, I'll wait for September 18th to hear the official word. I have no doubt we'll see a full reveal on that GAME24 event of theirs.
 
mkenyon said:
Has there been a 980 Ti announcement?

As per my post above, a big reason why the Titan sold so well is that it was a "budget" workstation Tesla card. Even when they announced the Titan-Z, they were clearly marketing it towards that prosumer crowd.
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right but if the 980 sells with large margins at a gm200 price they have no reason not to keep it at 500 bucks and keep the true high end cards 1000 bucks.

Are you going to claim that the 680 was a high end chip?
the 780 was gk110 with the tesla workstation functionality crippled, that was the high end chip

Do you really think gm200 is not intended to be the high end chip? There will be a gm 200 gtx1080 or w/e they call it next year, either at 20/16nm or still at 28 just like with the 780 and 780 ti.

If the 980 sells at 500 bucks, they don't have to care about how much or how little a (crippled or workstation equivalent) gm 200 titan 2 sells if they can just sell gm 204 at the high end price, the only thing that matters if consumer perception.

They have to convince people that a 980 midrange card is worth 500 bucks, that's it, giving gk110 the cuda performance to be a viable workstation card was a clever way for them to remarket gk110 (instead of people asking hey why are you suddenly selling the high end card for 1000 bucks)
A year later they then marketed and sold full gk110 as the high end , with the benifit of keeping the high end price inflated because 'it performs close to that titan that was basically a consumer version of the super expensive workstation cards'

I think it's pretty baffling if people will accept the 980 as being high end (and pay the price) considering it being barely faster than the 780ti... (with a smaller memory bus probably causing performance to suffer for multiple monitor setups in games)

At least with the 680 I could understand people not realising, it was a good 30 percent faster over the last gen 580 and was a strong overclocker to boot.

Nvidia are going to try the 680->titan->780 formula again for sure, we'll have to see how much of this crap consumers are willing to accept considering it doesn't even come with any noticable performance increase this time around.

@ seanspeed, progress slowed down? are you blind? (no offense:p)
You are looking at the same thing I'm looking at right? A new architecture that with a 256bit bus and smaller die and much lower power consumption can match the big die and high end bus performance of last gen.
While TSCM and co are obviously struggling to keep up their schedules, nvidia is more than capable of not 'slowing down' with this new architecture.
 
dr_rus said:
Never during the last five years I had to do what you're describing on an NV card. Their drivers are excellent and are easily more stable than AMD's even now. Also NV updates the driver less frequently than AMD does.
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thanks for the response. I'll hold you to it when i get the 980. :)
 
SneakyStephan said:
Nvidia are going to try the 680->titan->780 formula again for sure, we'll have to see how much of this crap consumers are willing to accept considering it doesn't even come with any noticable performance increase this time around.
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To me, they pretty much have to. The manufacturing processes aren't allowing big Maxwell at this time, even if they wanted to. Charging less than $500 for the 980 would be leaving money on the table.

Personally I don't view it as being all that different than Intel's tick and tock. If it's cheaper, faster, and more efficient than the outgoing powerhouse card then it's a win for me. So what if there's a faster, more expensive version coming in a year? That should essentially always be the case anyways, so who cares what architecture it is?

Sure, people aren't going to be motivated to replace 780ti's with the 980. For people on slower cards it's still a good bet.
 
Weevilone said:
To me, they pretty much have to. The manufacturing processes aren't allowing big Maxwell at this time, even if they wanted to. Charging less than $500 for the 980 would be leaving money on the table.

Personally I don't view it as being all that different than Intel's tick and tock. If it's cheaper, faster, and more efficient than the outgoing powerhouse card then it's a win for me. So what if there's a faster, more expensive version coming in a year? That should essentially always be the case anyways, so who cares what architecture it is?

Sure, people aren't going to be motivated to replace 780ti's with the 980. For people on slower cards it's still a good bet.
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Talk from the point of view of a shareholder combined with lowered expectations.
You are a good consumer indeed...
 
SneakyStephan said:
right but if the 980 sells with large margins at a gm200 price they have no reason not to keep it at 500 bucks and keep the true high end cards 1000 bucks.

Are you going to claim that the 680 was a high end chip?
the 780 was gk110 with the tesla workstation functionality crippled, that was the high end chip

Do you really think gm200 is not intended to be the high end chip? There will be a gm 200 gtx1080 or w/e they call it next year, either at 20/16nm or still at 28 just like with the 780 and 780 ti.

If the 980 sells at 500 bucks, they don't have to care about how much or how little a (crippled or workstation equivalent) gm 200 titan 2 sells if they can just sell gm 204 at the high end price, the only thing that matters if consumer perception.

They have to convince people that a 980 midrange card is worth 500 bucks, that's it, giving gk110 the cuda performance to be a viable workstation card was a clever way for them to remarket gk110 (instead of people asking hey why are you suddenly selling the high end card for 1000 bucks)
A year later they then marketed and sold full gk110 as the high end , with the benifit of keeping the high end price inflated because 'it performs close to that titan that was basically a consumer version of the super expensive workstation cards'

I think it's pretty baffling if people will accept the 980 as being high end (and pay the price) considering it being barely faster than the 780ti... (with a smaller memory bus probably causing performance to suffer for multiple monitor setups in games)

At least with the 680 I could understand people not realising, it was a good 30 percent faster over the last gen 580 and was a strong overclocker to boot.

Nvidia are going to try the 680->titan->780 formula again for sure, we'll have to see how much of this crap consumers are willing to accept considering it doesn't even come with any noticable performance increase this time around.

@ seanspeed, progress slowed down? are you blind? (no offense:p)
You are looking at the same thing I'm looking at right? A new architecture that with a 256bit bus and smaller die and much lower power consumption can match the big die and high end bus performance of last gen.
While TSCM and co are obviously struggling to keep up their schedules, nvidia is more than capable of not 'slowing down' with this new architecture.
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I'm not sure how to respond. This reads like me saying, "the sky is blue", and you respond with, "well yeah, but the water is wet".

I appreciate your history, which you and I have discussed at length previously. I'm no stranger to the new release system.

I think you're doing a disservice to the discussion if you honestly think that consumers willing to buy the parts at increased prices is the sole (or even major) reason for the current schedule.
 
schennmu said:
You can get one for ~350-400 in Germany. Alternate/zackzack is clearing stock to make space for the new cards.
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I've been on the lookout for any places that are clearing them out to see if it's possible to get a good deal, but no luck so far. I managed to get my 680 at 50% off about 2 months after 780 was released. I was planning on getting the 780 but the deal was just too good to pass up on.

If I managed to get that lucky again with the 780Ti I might just go for it. But that depends on what the final word is on the 980.
 
TC McQueen said:
Supposedly the 980 has 2048 CUDA cores and ~175W TDP.
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This is getting better...Fuuuu. If the TDP is really going to be 175 now, it looks like I can push the X51 to that point, but it also means the 970 is going to be even better to go with in the long run. because I can focus on putting a new CPU(Nothing wrong with the i7 3770k)SSD and 4TB HDD(To replace the 1TB in there)on the X51 to accompany the 16 gigs of RAM I already have. I'm getting a really hype for these new cards.
 
DarkFlow said:
I have no idea what any of that means.
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From what I can gather it is an OpenCL benchmark. If those scores are legit then it looks like a big leap forward in compute performance.

There's a bitcoin mining benchmark on there as well, and it has the 980 beating out the R9 290 and even the 970 is more than doubling the score of the 780 ti.

Obviously these scores won't translate directly to games but if they are legit, a big leap forward in compute performance should definitely help their long term viability.
 
Amey said:
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take with all the salt in the world:

Trolls gonna troll hard on this article. Three more days till the Final Truth XD. And yes I had to post this new pic again :-) Btw just so you know.. The unknown card in those benchies well I will let the cat out of the bag... is the 970 not 980. Meaning Unknown 1 is the 960 that will also feature 4gigs. That is why the 980 will come in 4 too 8gig variants. XD 3 more days till you get to see. Also all drivers used in Maxwell leaks are from July :-)
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potam said:
take with all the salt in the world:

Trolls gonna troll hard on this article. Three more days till the Final Truth XD. And yes I had to post this new pic again :-) Btw just so you know.. The unknown card in those benchies well I will let the cat out of the bag... is the 970 not 980. Meaning Unknown 1 is the 960 that will also feature 4gigs. That is why the 980 will come in 4 too 8gig variants. XD 3 more days till you get to see. Also all drivers used in Maxwell leaks are from July :-)
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I want to believe, but that seems too good to be true.

Although, do we know if there will be non-reference cards of 980 at release? There have been leaks of the 970 from Galaxy, but I think I read somewhere that here won't be any for the 980 at launch. It mentions non-reference cooler on unknown 2 there.

But I'm not gonna get my hopes up, better to be pleasantly surprised in a few days if it's true.
 
potam said:
take with all the salt in the world:
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I want to believe.

The amount of VRAM could really make or break the 960. With 2GB as standard it's another dead end anti consumer product like the 2GB 770. With 4GB as the default configuration it could hit a fantastic sweet spot of price, performance and power draw.

Maxwell is definitely a very impressive architecture and seems to be a full 2 generations ahead of AMD in terms of perf/watt. It all depends on how aggressive Nvidia are with their pricing and SKUs though. They could kill most of AMD's lineup over night if they really wanted to but I'm not sure that they'll pull the trigger.
 
I feel like people should be comparing midrange cards to midrange cards. Like the 680 against the 980. It's a huge leap and if 500 is true I feel it might 50 bucks too much, but not a ripoff.
 
Apparently, NVIDIA is convinced that it has a pair of winners on its hands, with its upcoming GeForce GTX 980 and GTX 970 graphics cards, and is preparing to price them steeply. The GeForce GTX 980 is expected to start at US $599, nearly the same price as the GeForce GTX 780 Ti. The GTX 970, on the other hand, will start at US $399, danger-close to cannibalizing the GTX 780.

Across the brands, the GTX 980 is launching at the same pricing AMD's Radeon R9 290X launched at; and the GTX 970 at that of the R9 290. AMD's cards have since settled down to $449 for the R9 290X, and R9 290 at $350. Both the GTX 980 and GTX 970, will be available in non-reference board designs, although reference-design GTX 980 will dominate day-one reviews. Based on the 28 nm GM204 silicon, the GTX 980 features 2,048 CUDA cores, 128 TMUs, 32 ROPs; while the GTX 970 features 1,664 CUDA cores, and 104 TMUs. Both feature 256-bit wide memory interfaces, holding 4 GB of GDDR5 memory.
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Source
 
Damn im tempted to upgrade.

Currently on a 2GB 670. Prefer to hold out till Batman and Doom come out next year.
Any idea when we might be seeing 20nm cards?
 
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