Premium is, well, premium. Those buyers are likely big team green fans, and wouldn't think of converting any time soon. The bulk of the market is the x60 and x70 mid range cards, which Nvidia needs to price competitively or risk losing market share to AMD.
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Premium is, well, premium. Those buyers are likely big team green fans, and wouldn't think of converting any time soon. The bulk of the market is the x60 and x70 mid range cards, which Nvidia needs to price competitively or risk losing market share to AMD.
Fattony12000
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Sure, I'll upgrade to a 970 from the 570 that I got in 2011.
I don't know about that. Buying these higher end cards indicates you're an enthusiast, not necessarily loyal.
Well if its true, I'd guess that Nvidia will charge the premium for the 980 *until* AMD does react(which they will eventually), and then the 980 will get a price cut.
michaelius
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Ehh it's pretty sad that marketing managed to change "enthusiast" into a synonin of rich.
10 years ago being enthusiast was all about pushing your pc parts to the maximum with OC
$200-$300 has always been the mass SKU sweet spot. AMD is wrecking that space right now with the 760 2GB as the only counter option (4GB 760 is funny).
$299 lezz gooooo
That's really not what I was suggesting at all. You can of course be an enthusiast and not have top hardware. Maybe I should rephrase that and say that top end cards are for more *serious* consumers. There's no getting around that top cards will cost more money, so you need to have money as well(although you don't need to be rich), but generally, the people who want these cards are the more serious enthusiasts. Just like buying a Gibson guitar instead of an Epiphone isn't necessarily about 'being rich', but for the more serious guitarist.Ehh it's pretty sad that marketing managed to change "enthusiast" into a synonin of rich.
10 years ago being enthusiast was all about pushing your pc parts to the maximum with OC
The TDP's of these new Nvidia cards are making me cry every time I switch my R9 290 PC on.
Why is it that Nvidia can achieve >100w less draw on the same die size? Is it mostly a driver efficiency thing? I know that when I updated to the latest official 14.8 catalyst the temps on my 290 shot up considerably and my PC started drawing a good 70-80w more. So AMD's drivers definitely have something to do with it.
Is the only thing that gets to me about my 290 otherwise I probably wouldn't need to consider anything else for the next few years.
Why is it that Nvidia can achieve >100w less draw on the same die size? Is it mostly a driver efficiency thing? I know that when I updated to the latest official 14.8 catalyst the temps on my 290 shot up considerably and my PC started drawing a good 70-80w more. So AMD's drivers definitely have something to do with it.
Is the only thing that gets to me about my 290 otherwise I probably wouldn't need to consider anything else for the next few years.
brain_stew
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If $300 is confirmed then the eventual ~$200 960 is going to be a card to watch out for. If Nvidia hold their nerve and stick with 4GB GDDR5 then they'll have made the majority of AMD's lineup obsolete.
brain_stew
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Nvidia's technology is a full 2 generations ahead of AMD's now. AMD are only able to compete through heavy discounting. Selling a behemoth like the R9 290 for $370 isn't by choice.
Guerrillas in the Mist
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I imagine this won't be a major factor in choosing a GPU for a while yet, right?
I was told that AMD just cares more about us.
Compute performance doesn't help gaming at all (from what I understand), so unless you have specific need for a high compute card it really doesn't matter.
At least AMD lets you pick your 3 free games from a fairly big list.
I wouldn't be surprised if we get Borderlands (Woo...) with the cards now, if we get any games at all.
Ok good. For a second there, I was almost considering that this is all just business, but its good to know AMD really does care about me.
Other Nvidia-sponsored games should be available as well, Unity, Far Cry 4, Lords of the Fallen.
brotkasten
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Is it bad that I wouldn't want a free copy of Unity, unless it activates on Steam?
ThoseDeafMutes
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Even if it wasn't infected with uPlay it will still probably run like a turd. Ubisoft has a team of engineers specifically dedicated to making sure the PC ports run like crap.
I bought Tintin on Uplay (Ubi was planning to release it on Steam at some point) and haven't played it because I keep forgetting it's there. Out of sight, out of mind.
michaelius
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Nope that's normal reaction
But you can always sell code to some poor guy who infested his pc with uplay.
It really should be a factor, since I think you can expect most upcoming AAA games to use compute in some part of their pipeline, and quite a few use it extensively already (e.g. frostbite engine games since BF3). However that linked benchmark reflects OpenCL based compute performance. So far as I know no games use OpenCL - they all use DirectCompute.
You do want to pay close attention to DirectCompute benchmarks if you care about gaming performance, because it's being used for a few common effects now, and even more in upcoming games (if you're really interested check out "Advances in Real-Time Rendering" from siggraph2014).
OpenCL is only really important if you plan to use your card for non-gaming tasks (that lack CUDA kernels), or possibly linux gaming in future? AMD holds a decent advantage with OpenCL performance, for various reasons, some technical and some political (nvidia is more invested in promoting CUDA etc).
AMD got you back bud, they don't care about profits and shit like that!
I certainly hope so, but I'm guessing we won't get anything now at launch since they don't really have a reason to include anything. People will buy it anyway.
Inferno313
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There was some concern earlier in this thread that the 970 would be supply-constrained and that once stocks got low, retailers would jack up the price. Is this a real concern? In trying to decide if I should order as soon as possible and leave myself with $150 or wait until next paycheck.
brotkasten
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Don't buy the card if you don't need one right now, because your old one died yesterday. There's no reason to put yourself in a situation like that. Even if the card is supply-constrained at launch, it should be widely available next month.
Of the 5 actual compute benchmarks there, the 980 wins 2 and the 290x wins three. And that's in OpenCL, which NV is almost sabotaging on the software side.
The particle simulation results are pretty interesting, because IIRC that's almost 2x 780.
They sure make it seem that way.
Rentahamster
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Wait, this isn't 20nm yet, right? Or is it?
Gah, my HD5850 is getting long in the tooth. Can't run shit on the Rift.
Gah, my HD5850 is getting long in the tooth. Can't run shit on the Rift.
ashecitism
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It's still 28nm.
michaelius
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Do You know if any of those tests are double precision ? Because that's what Nvidia heavily restricts in GK104 (and probably will in GM204 ) to not canibalise sales of the professional cards.
Well, OpenCL is very important to me since I use my PC for madVR video rendering more than I do gaming.
Hopefully there'll be some performance benchmarks floating about for how the 970 fairs with heavy madVR (nnedi3 doubling etc.) settings soon enough anyway. If it claws enough back on the 290/290X then I might have to consider going 'green' again...and quite literally since the power draw for video playback on my 290 is a constant pain.
Rentahamster
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750 AUS dollars on the price tag, but it's also price gauged apparently to the poster on hardforum. http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1834147
brotkasten
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The rebranding from "Galaxy" to "Galax" is one of the dumbest things I've seen recently.
Yeah, gonna be 3AM by then. ;_;
As for the name change, they probably wanted to keep the brand recognition. Still dumb though.
ashecitism
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ThoseDeafMutes
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750 AUS dollars on the price tag, but it's also price gauged apparently to the poster on hardforum. http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1834147
Dat beard
Tier 1 beard. New Medal of Honor with nvidia beardworks confirmed.
brotkasten
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It's now rumored that AMD might've cancelled the R9 285X with 2048 stream processors. The regular 285, based on the Tonga Pro, is still coming out.
All this is based on a Twitter response from the AMD account, telling a user that they'd only release the 285.
https://twitter.com/AMDRadeon/status/512027945028702208
All this is based on a Twitter response from the AMD account, telling a user that they'd only release the 285.
https://twitter.com/AMDRadeon/status/512027945028702208
Hmmm, am I going to be able to order a 980 on Friday and do Sat delivery?
I have the same feeling. The thought of waiting for Monday or Tuesday is killing me. First world problems.
brain_stew
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They've never publically acknowledged the existence of a 285x so why would you expect them to announce it in a random twitter reply? That tweet confirms nothing.
Dictator93
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Was it a single slot 8800GT? In which case that is Nvidias fault, not Galaxy-
blackMamba1187
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Come on Take2/Ubi. You know you want to give promo codes with these =).
Currently debating going single 980, 2x 970s or 2x 980s, with the plan to sell and upgrade to "real maxwell"/pascal when the time comes. Till then I need the juice to drive an rog swift. The premium for the 980 over the 970s is kinda junk though. Gonna be my first nvidia card(s) since the 9800gx2. Ready to try out physx, gsync, advanced downsampling options and I just ordered the 3d vision 2 kit. I am excite.
Currently debating going single 980, 2x 970s or 2x 980s, with the plan to sell and upgrade to "real maxwell"/pascal when the time comes. Till then I need the juice to drive an rog swift. The premium for the 980 over the 970s is kinda junk though. Gonna be my first nvidia card(s) since the 9800gx2. Ready to try out physx, gsync, advanced downsampling options and I just ordered the 3d vision 2 kit. I am excite.
Consequence
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Welp, this thread has officially gotten me hyped enough to reconsider what I wanted to do with my build. I was really expecting the 970 to be more expensive.
TC McQueen
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I've never had a Galaxy card die on me, but their warranty registration website apparently does not exist, despite the stuff they package in their GPU boxes. Both the 560 Ti 448 and the 650 Ti Boost I ordered from them work, but I'm screwed if they break.
ThoseDeafMutes
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I've had Gigabyte stuff lately, 560 and then 780. I think it was Leadtek before that, a 7600.
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