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[Jito]

Now, now, lad, don't put words into my mouth. I don't necessarily approve of such drastic measures yet I can't prevent myself of feeling a slight sense of admiration towards a man who says his opinions with passion. Gives hope to wimps such as myself.

Wow how sad. Enjoy hurling abuse at people then if they don't agree with you. You'll be such a manly man soon enough.

I just followed that quote back to the OT.. to be fair, it's missing some important context.



I'm not one to throw terms like "imbecile" around... but discounting Joe's entire review because "he's an imbecile" does seem pretty ridiculous to me. He made a ton a extremely valid points, many of them being amongst the closest I've seen to design choices being objectively wrong.

Yeh again I'll say I agree with Joe. Just don't think being so hostile in the OT warrants coming back here and being like "Lol no one agress with me, what tards".

 

[BeforeU]

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Hollyshit this game is breaking record even on NeoGAF.

 

[Banworthy]

Wow how sad. Enjoy hurling abuse at people then if they don't agree with you. You'll be such a manly man soon enough.

This is what I am after. For all our differing opinions, it is you who has the fiery attitude to speak his mind without apologizing. It is something that I, for all my determination, have been unable to achieve. It is something that I, for all my apparent confidence, am ashamed of.

I do not approve abuse, I approve passion. And Destiny, for all its failures, is a game that has invoked passion.

 

[olimpia84]

People were saying that Joe's review got taken down and now it's back. Did he modify the contents at all or is it the same video?

 

[Nokterian]

I'm having fun with the game, most of the complaints are valid but I don't find they detract from enjoyment of the game much.

I'm worn out on Diablo RoS big time so I don't see what's so superior about it. It can be just as frustrating if not more.

D3 RoS has Adventure Mode and Torment difficulty's that amp up for better loot and more and bloodshards also Nephalem Rifts and Bounty's. That game feels more rewarding when you get loot and that it matters i guess you never even bothered to finish the campaign and jump in to adventure mode because that is where the game is at see it as a bit of dark souls go anywhere do anything because everything is open from Act 1 to 5 without any borders. Campaign is fun and good Act 5 is better then i experienced then vanilla. But the amount of fun there is with 3 fellow friends on the couch or through PSN is way more satisfying. Also everything is random every single time you start it up with bounty's and the places. Every Nephalem Rift is random to keep it fresh with other enemy's,envoirments etc.

I have Destiny i didn't have enough time to play because well on PC diablo 3 RoS got patch 2.1 and that will be coming to PS4 also. I have it on both and to me really those games gave me more from the money i spend then other games this year to be honest.

People were saying that Joe's review got taken down and now it's back. Did he modify the contents at all or is it the same video?

He took it down because near the end there was no music and sound i saw on twitter that was fixed now.

 

[Indiedevs]

People were saying that Joe's review got taken down and now it's back. Did he modify the contents at all or is it the same video?

It just missed a soundtrack at the end, so he had to take it down and uploade it again.

 

[Lashley]

Some people are getting so fucking butthurt over Angry Joe's video.

Pathetic.

 

[Diablohead]

I agree with a lot of what angry joe bought up in his review before it was removed.

 

[diaspora]

A lot of it is fixable. Whether or not they want to appeal to people who don't want to grind is another problem though.

Purple engrams should only give purples of your class.
Strikes should guarantee a purple or orange depending on difficulty.
Lower the requirements for faction rep grinding.

Is it that fixable though? Putting aside the completely asinine storytelling and shitty mission structure, I'm not sure if Bungie has the ability to build a world worth exploring after playing this.

 

[Lashley]

I agree with a lot of what angry joe bought up in his review before it was removed.

its back up now

 

[KernelPanic]

D3 RoS has Adventure Mode and Torment difficulty's that amp up for better loot and more and bloodshards also Nephalem Rifts and Bounty's. That game feels more rewarding when you get loot and that it matters i guess you never even bothered to finish the campaign and jump in to adventure mode because that is where the game is at see it as a bit of dark souls go anywhere do anything because everything is open from Act 1 to 5 without any borders. Campaign is fun and good Act 5 is better then i experienced then vanilla. But the amount of fun there is with 3 fellow friends on the couch or through PSN is way more satisfying. Also everything is random every single time you start it up with bounty's and the places. Every Nephalem Rift is random to keep it fresh with other enemy's,envoirments etc.

I have Destiny i didn't have enough time to play because well on PC diablo 3 RoS got patch 2.1 and that will be coming to PS4 also. I have it on both and to me really those games gave me more from the money i spend then other games this year to be honest.
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Well you'd be guessing wrong because I have put endless hours into Diablo3 vanilla and RoS on PSN, and I have two level 70s up to T3 I think and I can't do it anymore.

I'm not saying D3 sucks but I don't see what's so more rewarding about it.

- Lots of legendary drops are shit or sidegrades that get salvaged.
- Quests on Adventure Mode get tiring after you do them endless times
- Spending hundreds or thousands of blood shards and getting nothing(and people complain about the Cryptarch lol), same with re-rolling stats on gear.
- Farming endless Act I bounties hoping for RoRG to drop(one of toons already has one so I've done it)
- Do enough Nephalem Rifts and they all start to look the same(oh it's another Blood Marsh, Westmarch themed one etc.)
- Online/couch co-op is fun but most sessions involve people blowing through mobs as fast as possible in order to farm as fast as possible, there's not much challenge the way most people play it.

I will see if 2.1 makes it more fun for me

 

[firehawk12]

Is it that fixable though? Putting aside the completely asinine storytelling and shitty mission structure, I'm not sure if Bungie has the ability to build a world worth exploring after playing this.

For the purposes of a loot game, sure.

No one plays Diablo 3 for the story, but people enjoy running through it because the loot systems have been made rewarding. Like, rather than give you a useless currency after you hit the level cap like in Destiny, you gain bonus levels that help you grind faster. It has the same upper level difficulty curve, where to play at T6 you need set gear with sockets and so on, but the core loop of getting gear is fun enough that you don't mind doing rifts over and over again.

The fact that people would rather farm a cave than play legitimately is a sign that the other ways of playing the game aren't as rewarding. Especially if you are a fresh level 20 character with bad gear.

 

[PrivateWHudson]

Since the OT isn't the place to discuss review stuffs, I'll put this here. AJ talks about free content at the end of his review, and we know there is already a ton of blocked off areas in Old Russia alone... I would assume any closed areas on the moon are for the DLC in December, but are there areas on Mars or Venus that are still closed? If so, are we talking about a DLC for each planet just to unlock areas that were on disc?

I haven't seen any talk or maps like this since the Beta. Is everyone just too busy playing?

 

[firehawk12]

Well you'd be guessing wrong because I have put endless hours into Diablo3 vanilla and RoS on PSN, and I have two level 70s up to T3 I think and I can't do it anymore.

I will see if 2.1 makes it more fun for me

I feel exactly the same. I just think that Diablo 3 was more engaging to me than Destiny has been though. Adventure mode had more life to it than the strikes, especially since they didn't feel like a complete chore toplay.

 

[TyrantII]

the game has grown on me in a big way, but the lack of good storytelling is a still a flaw that bothers me. fuck grimoire cards, put that shit in the game itself!

My biggest issue as well. The lore combined with the art direction and locations is some of the best. Then there's zero charicterization, trivial dialogue, and a terrible fractured (can we even call it) plot.

Bungie, you need to hire a new story director and script writer. Skip the live action commercial and contract out Druckman for 500k.

That said its obvious the narrative is just training wheels to get you into the rank and loot systems. I'm addicted and sonare the 40 people a night playing since release on my friends list.

 

[Oersted]

11472+ Posts
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Hollyshit this game is breaking record even on NeoGAF.

The power of marketing. I would guess, not even remotly as much people would care as much about a 76% game, without it, one way or the other.

 

[QaaQer]

For the purposes of a loot game, sure.

No one plays Diablo 3 for the story, but people enjoy running through it because the loot systems have been made rewarding. Like, rather than give you a useless currency after you hit the level cap like in Destiny, you gain bonus levels that help you grind faster. It has the same upper level difficulty curve, where to play at T6 you need set gear with sockets and so on, but the core loop of getting gear is fun enough that you don't mind doing rifts over and over again.

The fact that people would rather farm a cave than play legitimately is a sign that the other ways of playing the game aren't as rewarding. Especially if you are a fresh level 20 character with bad gear.

Is the story in DIII as barebones and lacking as in Destiny?

 

[diaspora]

For the purposes of a loot game, sure.

No one plays Diablo 3 for the story, but people enjoy running through it because the loot systems have been made rewarding. Like, rather than give you a useless currency after you hit the level cap like in Destiny, you gain bonus levels that help you grind faster. It has the same upper level difficulty curve, where to play at T6 you need set gear with sockets and so on, but the core loop of getting gear is fun enough that you don't mind doing rifts over and over again.

The fact that people would rather farm a cave than play legitimately is a sign that the other ways of playing the game aren't as rewarding. Especially if you are a fresh level 20 character with bad gear.

I don't care for the D3 comparison since I feel that it's a massive fucking disappointment anyway ROS too even if the loot game is better versus Destiny. But even then I don't think Bungie can fix the loot game or the level design. I feel like they're way out of their depth on this.

Is the story in DIII as barebones and lacking as in Destiny?

No. What's even more disappointing is the whole "world you want to explore" shit from Bungie. His TES comment was spot on.

 

[Nokterian]

Well you'd be guessing wrong because I have put endless hours into Diablo3 vanilla and RoS on PSN, and I have two level 70s up to T3 I think and I can't do it anymore.

I'm not saying D3 sucks but I don't see what's so more rewarding about it.

- Lots of legendary drops are shit or sidegrades that get salvaged.
- Quests on Adventure Mode get tiring after you do them endless times
- Spending hundreds or thousands of blood shards and getting nothing(and people complain about the Cryptarch lol), same with re-rolling stats on gear.
- Farming endless Act I bounties hoping for RoRG to drop(one of toons already has one so I've done it)
- Do enough Nephalem Rifts and they all start to look the same(oh it's another Blood Marsh, Westmarch themed one etc.)
- Online/couch co-op is fun but most sessions involve people blowing through mobs as fast as possible in order to farm as fast as possible, there's not much challenge the way most people play it.

I will see if 2.1 makes it more fun for me

I would rather play Diablo 3 instead of Destiny at this point. In diablo it feels more rewarding to get loot. And i spend also thousand of shard at kadala on pc and sometimes you get things sometimes you don't it happens. Nephalem Rifts are random and why does it matter if they look the same? There still more different then what Destiny has to offer. Also your on T3? Your just beginning i am playing monk on T6 currently this is all on the pc side ehre. Also on T6 you get a lot more leg drops and most of them are bad yeah and i salvage them to use it at the mystic to reroll stuff that isn't useful or craft items that are useful. I also do Act 1 bounty's because there the easiest to do and to remember. Like i said Patch 2.1 did it even better now a lot of has changed. Greater Rifts,Legendary
Gems.

I don't care for the D3 comparison since I feel that it's a massive fucking disappointment anyway ROS too even if the loot game is better versus Destiny. But even then I don't think Bungie can fix the loot game or the level design. I feel like they're way out of their depth on this.



No. What's even more disappointing is the whole "world you want to explore" shit from Bungie. His TES comment was spot on.

RoS is better what vanilla ever should have been. I cannot believe your saying it's a disappointment they fixed everything what was bad in vanilla and for the greater good also. Your saying it's disappointment clearly you never played the vanilla D3 that one was no good at all.

 

[Farslain]

So is the Angry Joe review accurate?

For me, it's perfectly accurate.

Boringly level to 20 in a pseudo mmo world where no one can communicate in any fashion and then boringly farm factions and currency until you hit cap each week and then stand and shoot at the same fucking cave as everyone else until next week.

It was an enjoyable 6 until the end game grind killed it dead for me.

I haven't traded in a game in over 10 yeara and i've never returned a game in my life, but Destiny goes back to Amazon this week.

Return Reason: Quality not as expected.

 

[i-Lo]

Was Bungie trying to pull off Souls with regards to story and lore structure? Unlike those games, however, Destiny is about a single tale that will be strung out for the next 9 years.

Note: I have the game shrink-wrapped (because it's currently in a different province). I do wonder given the criticisms surrounding certain key elements in the game, whether the game will receive patches to make it worth playing the campaign mode in the future...

 

[Always-honest]

So is the Angry Joe review accurate?

Was wondering the same. Damn.. if true, i'm glad i didn't buy it.

 

[firehawk12]

Is the story in DIII as barebones and lacking as in Destiny?

There's more story to skip through. lol
Honestly, if you are playing a loot game for the story, you're going to be disappointed. They are just trappings made to give you an excuse to farm for hundreds of hours.

I don't care for the D3 comparison since I feel that it's a massive fucking disappointment anyway ROS too even if the loot game is better versus Destiny. But even then I don't think Bungie can fix the loot game or the level design. I feel like they're way out of their depth on this.

Oh, I think Destiny 1 is a write off since they don't have the option of giving it a massive overhaul like Blizzard did with D3. But I think they can still make the grinding less oppressive by making simple tweaks that reward the player for playing the game rather than penalize them.

If some guy decrypts 14 purples and gets 8 blues and 6 greens? I would hate the game.

 

[Brianimaniac]

The Angry Joe review nailed it. I can't remember the last time I ageed so much with a review. That was cathartic.

 

[diaspora]

So is the Angry Joe review accurate?

Yes.

RoS is better what vanilla ever should have been. I cannot believe your saying it's a disappointment they fixed everything what was bad in vanilla and for the greater good also. Your saying it's disappointment clearly you never played the vanilla D3 that one was no good at all.

The latter being better than the former doesn't mean I enjoy either.

 

[TyrantII]

The fact that people would rather farm a cave than play legitimately is a sign that the other ways of playing the game aren't as rewarding. Especially if you are a fresh level 20 character with bad gear.

Nonsense. People if given the chance will take the course of least resistance, ALWAYS. Its human nature.

Same as going online into a room and seeing a group of people standing Inna circle trading headshots to boost a leaderboard or grab a trophy/achivment.


There nothing different there. And its actually NOT a faster way to level a character, although plenty seem to think it is.

 

[Nokterian]

Yes.



The latter being better than the former doesn't mean I enjoy either.

My 400 hours say otherwise or your clearly not the person to play these kinda games at all.

 

[diaspora]

Was Bungie trying to pull off Souls with regards to story and lore structure? Unlike those games, however, Destiny is about a single tale that will be strung out for the next 9 years.

Note: I have the game shrink-wrapped (because it's currently in a different province). I do wonder given the criticisms surrounding certain key elements in the game, whether the game will receive patches to make it worth playing the campaign mode in the future...

No, the Souls story was largely in the game.

My 400 hours say otherwise or your clearly not the person to play these kinda games at all.

Your wasted time says nothing.

 

[antitrop]

That was me for half an hour during the Angry Joe review.

And for all the people worried that critics gave Titanfall a free pass while being overly critical on Destiny, Joe's Titanfall review was a half-hour rant about lack of content with a 6/10 at the end, so at least he's consistent.

 

[Nokterian]

No, the Souls story was largely in the game.



Your wasted time says nothing.

It does i ENJOY the game and having FUN to get LOOT.

 

[Indiedevs]

Angry Joe is pretty much the only reviewer out there who is taking a stand against lacking content because everything screams future DLC's. Sure there are plenty of 6/10 reviews for Destiny out there, but it's because it's a mediocre game, and none of them points out many of the the things Joe does.

 

[diaspora]

It does i ENJOY the game and having FUN to get LOOT.

It says you enjoy the game; that doesn't really contradict what I said. People, including myself have put 200+ hours into games like Skyrim, but it's still a game where most of the missions involve trolling near identical caves over and over.

 

[firehawk12]

Nonsense. People if given the chance will take the course of least resistance, ALWAYS. Its human nature.

Same as going online into a room and seeing a group of people standing Inna circle trading headshots to boost a leaderboard or grab a trophy/achivment.


There nothing different there. And its actually NOT a faster way to level a character, although plenty seem to think it is.

The path to progress is playing the Crucible over and over again to grind rep and marks to buy your gear. Which is fine if you like PvP, but if you don't, you're kind of stuck.

You are too low level to do the harder strikes, so the alternative is to grind out the normal bounties and loop the same public events over and over again. Or you just sit and farm a cave until you get a set of rares before moving on.

 

[Nokterian]

It says you enjoy the game; that doesn't really contradict what I said. People, including myself have put 200+ hours into games like Skyrim, but it's still a game where most of the missions involve trolling near identical caves over and over.

So now your comparing Skyrim to diablo 3? Ok...

 

[diaspora]

The path to progress is playing the Crucible over and over again to grind rep and marks to buy your gear. Which is fine if you like PvP, but if you don't, you're kind of stuck.

You are too low level to do the harder strikes, so the alternative is to grind out the normal bounties and loop the same public events over and over again. Or you just sit and farm a cave until you get a set of rares before moving on.

That wouldn't have been a problem I think if the game had ever provided a motivation to do so; ruins and a world worth exploring.

So now your comparing Skyrim to diablo 3? Ok...

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Did you/are you able to read what you're quoting? Putting time into something doesn't make it good.

 

[Ivory Samoan]

2 things that caught my eye in the AJSA review:

1) The cut content - it's a bit obvious... but if it's in one of the free expansions, totally forgivable and nothing to worry about...

2) The chest that sprouted a legendary/blues/greens and glimmer... where the fuck did that chest go, I want that chest!

 

[PrivateWHudson]

2 things that caught my eye in the AJSA review:

1) The cut content - it's a bit obvious... but if it's in one of the free expansions, totally forgivable and nothing to worry about...

2) The chest that sprouted a legendary/blues/greens and glimmer... where the fuck did that chest go, I want that chest!

What free expansions? Has anything been announced?

 

[Nokterian]

That wouldn't have been a problem I think if the game had ever provided a motivation to do so; ruins and a world worth exploring.



Did you/are you able to read what you're quoting? Putting time into something doesn't make it good.

I am not going to bother with you anymore because well your posts are pretty hilarious thanks for the laughs though!

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Since the OT isn't the place to discuss review stuffs, I'll put this here. AJ talks about free content at the end of his review, and we know there is already a ton of blocked off areas in Old Russia alone... I would assume any closed areas on the moon are for the DLC in December, but are there areas on Mars or Venus that are still closed? If so, are we talking about a DLC for each planet just to unlock areas that were on disc?



I haven't seen any talk or maps like this since the Beta. Is everyone just too busy playing?

I like to think everyone is ignoring the pink elephant in the room. Yeah, these areas were seemingly cut/blocked off, and no, no events seem to be leading towards these areas(The queens event seems to just be mission modifiers).

So DLC is likley. One of the DLCs......the one entered aroudn Fallen(Supposedly Queens Fallen) might give access to Kings Watch, since when people glitched into Kings Watch there was alot of Fallen inside.

 

[firehawk12]

That wouldn't have been a problem I think if the game had ever provided a motivation to do so; ruins and a world worth exploring.

I know it's dumb, but Diablo solves this by just having random maps that you go into each time you load up a new rift instance. That's enough to make it feel less repetitive, even if you begin to recognize some of the rotating maps at some point.
Unfortunately I don't think this can be fixed that readily.

 

[diaspora]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/choofed.gif[img]

I am not going to bother with you anymore because well your posts are pretty hilarious thanks for the laughs though![/QUOTE]

So you agree then that time spent on something shitty doesn't mean that it's magically good.

[quote="firehawk12, post: 131023616"]I know it's dumb, but Diablo solves this by just having random maps that you go into each time you load up a new rift instance. That's enough to make it feel less repetitive, even if you begin to recognize some of the rotating maps at some point.
Unfortunately I don't think this can be fixed that readily.[/QUOTE]

I agree.

 

[Jito]

2 things that caught my eye in the AJSA review:

1) The cut content - it's a bit obvious... but if it's in one of the free expansions, totally forgivable and nothing to worry about...

2) The chest that sprouted a legendary/blues/greens and glimmer... where the fuck did that chest go, I want that chest!

There's no free expansion, unless I missed the announcement?

 

[diaspora]

There's no free expansion, unless I missed the announcement?

Did he say free expansions or was he referring to PC gamers getting them for free if it's ported?

 

[Jito]

Did he say free expansions or was he referring to PC gamers getting them for free if it's ported?

What? That's a bit of a jump based on what I just quoted. Where did he mention PC?

He said just free expansion, I assume he means he got the limited edition with a pass included for the first two expansions. They're not free for everyone else.

 

[diaspora]

What? That's a bit of a jump based on what I just quoted. Where did he mention PC?

He said just free expansion, I assume he means he got the limited edition with a pass included for the first two expansions. They're not free for everyone else.

I'm not sure if he said free, but AJ mentioned PC gamers getting everything at a lesser price when (his words, it's if I think) it drops.

 

[Soule]

I am not going to bother with you anymore because well your posts are pretty hilarious thanks for the laughs though!

Dude why are you being so defensive and completely dodging his point? You're not even making an argument or addressing anything but posting reaction gifs as if that somehow makes it less obvious you don't want to answer him, he's not even being inflammatory you're just getting mad over nothing :/

 

[Exploratory]

Joe's review is pretty on point and I was laughing uncontrollably at one point. Everytime I play Destiny I think to myself... "what the fuck were they thinking?"

 

[Furyous]

Angry Joe is pretty much the only reviewer out there who is taking a stand against lacking content because everything screams future DLC's. Sure there are plenty of 6/10 reviews for Destiny out there, but it's because it's a mediocre game, and none of them points out many of the the things Joe does.

Yeah, AJ put his foot in the ass of this game. This is easily the best review I've seen online. I hope Bungie takes notes and drops the word "the" from the game.

I don't feel so bad about missing out on multiplayer because of the paltry rewards the game gives out for playing those modes.

 

[firehawk12]

Joe is assuming that they'll offer some free content along with the paid content.

I don't feel so bad about missing out on multiplayer because of the paltry rewards the game gives out for playing those modes.

It's the easiest way to get gear, sadly.

 

[PrivateWHudson]

I like to think everyone is ignoring the pink elephant in the room. Yeah, these areas were seemingly cut/blocked off, and no, no events seem to be leading towards these areas(The queens event seems to just be mission modifiers).

So DLC is likley. One of the DLCs......the one entered aroudn Fallen(Supposedly Queens Fallen) might give access to Kings Watch, since when people glitched into Kings Watch there was alot of Fallen inside.

As much fun as I'm having playing, I really don't know if I'll buy the DLC. It just feels too damn shady that after the Beta when commenting on content, Bungie kept talking about how in the Beta they had the bouncer enemies that you would want to go back and beat to access new areas once you leveled up, and how the Beta was testing their ability to open and close doors to other areas on the map. Also, I think they said that the maps are bigger than the appear. They should have just shut up if they were talking about paying to go to those areas.