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[LegendofDragoonLives]

But I thought the plan was not to buy their game? WHATS THE PLAN HERE, GUYS?

I don't know what the plan for other people is, but this is my plan. I wait a couple of months and buy the game used and Ubi gets no money. I enjoy their game, they got 0 money. I have almost 20 PS4 games Ubi, congrats on being the first used game I purchase this generation.

 

[thefit]

I agree with your point that Ubisoft is notorious for releasing shoddy PC ports, but if you own a mid range setup then it will at least provide you experience similar to what you get on PS4. But if you talk in terms of PC standards, then year sure they are crappy ports.

Its going to provide a similiar if not better experience than ps4 but I have to wait till they release patches and tweak the game myself or look around countless pc gaming boards on how to do ubisofts work for them and then it still doesn't guarantee that I'm going to be satisfied with what I just plunked down money for. Don't get me wrong I enjoy tweaking pc games like anyone else but give me a good base product to start with not someone else unfinished homework. AC4 ps4, loaded disk, 1080p patch installed after game and bam an enjoyable experience.

 

[robertsan21]

Sony needs to adress these things and show that its NOT acceptable.

Also, we the PS4 consumers needs to vote with our wallets, dont buy it

 

[Zoned]

So you've played every version of AC on PC up until this point?

You have the option to buy one of the two smartphones - Nexus 4, one with 720p screen and Nexus 5 with 1080p screen, both are at same price, and you are coming after using old ass Moto Razr, so should I suggest you to buy Nexus 4, well because you have been using old ass 320p display, and anything from the two of those should be an upgrade to you right?

Just because you were playing on a system with 720p res doesn't mean it is acceptable to play sub HD resolution after buying a new device when you should actually be getting fullHD because of the money you paid for it.

 

[Rurunaki]

I need to apologise for daring to suggest that Ubisoft are a business who are likely wanting to treat both consoles equally?

Fucking hell, you really need to learn proper forms of debate.

So, why stop there? Let's just go back to our ps3s and xbox's if we're not gonna push the game as far as they can go. Let's just settle for mediocrity right? Hell, let's bring Unity to the Wii U seeing as we're gonna go for parity on all 3 next gen system.

 

[REV 09]

Simple question:

Who benefits financially from forced parity between the PS4 and Xbox One versions? Tick all that apply.

[] Sony
[] Microsoft
[] Ubisoft

If there is no tick against Ubisoft, then what would motivate them to do this? Out of the goodness of their own hearts as a favour to MS? Knowing that MS have desperately been trying to close the performance gap as weaker Xbox One versions hurt them financially?

If Ubi doesn't think that the extra dev costs are worth it to truly maximize a ps4 version then they would be ticking their own box based on profitability. Multiplatform games don't traditionally push hardware, so "good enough" may suffice.

This is a huge PR blunder though.

 

[KINGofCRA5H]

You're not the only gamer on the planet either.

The idea is to have ALL GAMERS in mind. Platform parity is a pussy's way of dealing with the issue. And it only causes this kind of debate.

Just because you dont care about resolution and framerate doesn't mean that somebody else doesn't.

I care about 1080p, because I get headaches for most resolutions below that. It's why I stopped console gaming last gen. I care about 60 fps because it looks smoother, and believe it or not, contributes to smoother gameplay. Anybody who has played The Last of Us on PS4, and toggled. the 30/60 FPS option would tell you, it's a big difference.

Stop settling for this treatment. Everybody needs to win here.

 

[Yoday]

I'm of the opinion that the game was likely running at a lower resolution on the XB1 to begin with. It was probably a situation similar to that of Watchdogs with a 900p vs 792p and a few slightly lower quality effects on the XB1. But, you look at MS's recent crusade of getting developers to reach resolution parity and it isn't hard to imagine where this "spec parity" came from. The question I would have in this situation, is how does the framerate hold up, and what effects were compromised at the same time?

The Digital Foundry piece on this one is going to be incredibly interesting.

 

[Maidenpool?]

As someone who has gotten EVERY Collector/Limited Editions from AC1 all the way to AC3 and bought the Liberation and BlackFlag on launch day, I will not be buying this. This was really really dumb on Ubi's part.

Like others have said I wonder whats gonna happen to Far Cry 4, The Divison, and Rainbow 6.

Instead of 3 open world games that I could get in Nov I may as well just get GTAV. At least I know R* is pushing both Systems to their limit, not just one and throwing in the towel.

I'm doing the same thing.

 

[CLEEK]

While Cui bono is a time honoured rhetorical technique pre-dating Cicero, it's not very compelling if you're also begging the question. You're assuming firstly that there are no differences at all between the two versions, and then secondly that the PS4 has
been deliberately crippled, that is, you have assumed 75% of your conclusion in the premise of your argument.

We're both assuming different things, sure. But we've seen enough multi format releases to see that it is incredible rare for both versions to be the same.

The only way Ubisoft can be redeemed is if the Xbox One version performs much worse than the PS4, as proof the PS4 version hasn't be artificially limited. But then no one wins. If they're targeting 900p/30, you'd hope that both versions would have solid performance.

 

[kyser73]

It'll be funny beyond all belief if they have a day 1 patch for the PS4 version.

Unless that happens, or unless the game is truly exceptional, I will be missing this installment of Creed, which is a shame for me because Black Flag reignited my enjoyment in the franchise.

 

[Pseudo judo]

Lol no PC gaming gets shoddy ports, and miss out on many console exclusives.

It isn't the gaming panacea you claim it is. Majority can't even run games at PS4 level

His point, which seemed obvious to me yet you still seemed to miss it, is that console threads tend to turn into an us vs them affair and it ruins all chance of relevant discussion.

He's basically saying PC threads don't play out in the same way as console threads and he's absolutely right.

 

[ramuh]

I've been banned for derailing threads before, hence why I said what I fucking said, and it wasn't a claim, it's a fucking opinion.

I don't give a shit about being mocked by posters such as yourself, as I never respond to such juvenile behaviour.

But being openly mocked by a mod, I find to be concerning, especially on what's supposed to be a neutral forum. Kagari literally joined in with the others who were mocking.

It's very poor form, and a bit of a disgrace.

Dude, let it go or PM somebody.

Sony needs to adress these things and show that its NOT acceptable.

Also, we the PS4 consumers needs to vote with our wallets, dont buy it

I'd rather just have a quiet two week post 1080 patch. I still want to play this game!

 

[BruiserBear]

We'll know pretty quickly with Advanced Warfare, because the Xbox One version has one of the most bizarre resolutions that we've seen so far, 1568x882.

That was back at E3. Presumably also pre June SDK update. It will be very interesting to see how things end up, for both consoles. That PS4 framerate had better be solid this time in multi.

 

[Snaku]

Here's a bag of dicks, Ubi. Eat them.

 

[Hindle]

Dude, let it go or PM somebody.



I'd rather just have a quiet two week post 1080 patch. I still want to play this game!

Yea, think I'll take your advice.

 

[hwy_61]

You have the option to buy one of the two smartphones - Nexus 4, one with 720p screen and Nexus 5 with 1080p screen, both are at same price, and you are coming after using old ass Moto Razr, so should I suggest you to buy Nexus 4, well because you have been using old ass 320p display, and anything from the two of those should be an upgrade to you right?

Just because you were playing on a system with 720p system doesn't mean if is acceptable to play sub HD resolution after buying a new device when you should actually be getting fullHD because of the money you paid for it.

This analogy kinda sucks because people still buy iPhones over android devices in DROVES.

 

[teknix]

If Ubi announces tomorrow that PS4 will come with a day 1 patch for 1080p, will that be enough for you to bite? Or is the damage done?

Hmm, but if they do that with such a quick turnaround that means they were probably able to go 1080p on PS4 the whole time... Ubi can't win

 

[Pathfinder]

If you choose to develop one version (on the platform with more power) less to maintain parity, you are gimping the product.

You have no proof that's exactly what happened. So if you go to your friends and tell them that's what happened, in order to get them on your side and not purchase the game, then you are purposely spreading a non-truth to fit your own agenda.

I don't think I could ever do that to my friends. That's just cruel.

 

[Alec]

If Ubi announces tomorrow that PS4 will come with a day 1 patch for 1080p, will that be enough for you to bite? Or is the damage done?

Hmm, but if they do that with such a quick turnaround that means they were probably able to go 1080p on PS4 the whole time... Ubi can't win

I'd bite. They should be rewarded for doing the right thing just like they should be punished for doing the wrong one.

 

[Toki767]

If Ubi announces tomorrow that PS4 will come with a day 1 patch for 1080p, will that be enough for you to bite? Or is the damage done?

Hmm, but if they do that with such a quick turnaround that means they were probably able to go 1080p on PS4 the whole time... Ubi can't win

A patch is better than no patch. Especially if performance doesn't take a hit.

 

[Rurunaki]

If Ubi announces tomorrow that PS4 will come with a day 1 patch for 1080p, will that be enough for you to bite? Or is the damage done?

Hmm, but if they do that with such a quick turnaround that means they were probably able to go 1080p on PS4 the whole time... Ubi can't win

Ubisoft already fucked up. They'll still get their money, seeing as we're not the majority of the consumers. This makes me sick though, as the company knows they can get away with it too.

 

[matrixman92]

jesus, people are actually cancelling preorders over this?

Without knowing anything other than a "target" res or fps, you must have thought the game looked fun or something to preorder to begin with. People really do care more about fps and res than the actual game now. It is unfair to say they lowered anything, because we never knew the original res or fps. People still say it runs poorly, even at this. What if it was just impossible for them to get it where they wanted it?

 

[DeadlyVirus]

The 900p downgrade from 1080p is not a dealbreaker for me. Now locking at 30fps when you could probably get it running at 60fps is a whole different story...

 

[perfectsil]

If you choose to develop one version (on the platform with more power) less to maintain parity, you are gimping the product.

No you're not getting an inferior or gimped product, youre getting .... the same product

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

His point, which seemed obvious to me yet you still seemed to miss it, is that console threads tend to turn into an us vs them affair and it ruins all chance of relevant discussion.

He's basically saying PC threads don't play out in the same way as console threads and he's absolutely right.

Except when talking about Nivida vs Amd

Or k/b and mouse vs controllers


Lets not pretend the PC community doesn't have its fair share of debates

 

[Goon Boon]

You have no proof that's exactly what happened. So if you go to your friends and tell them that's what happened, in order to get them on your side and not purchase the game, then you are purposely spreading a non-truth to fit your own agenda.

I don't think I could ever do that to my friends. That's just cruel.

Explain where the extra power is going. In their words :

"We decided to lock them at the same specs to avoid all the debates and stuff,"

They committed to a lesser 'equal' version for the severely more powerful platform to avoid "debates and stuff".

 

[DustyVonEric]

I need to apologise for daring to suggest that Ubisoft are a business who are likely wanting to treat both consoles equally?

Fucking hell, you really need to learn proper forms of debate.

Wha?? I guess we all imagined slanted statements like the reason ps4 was more desirable was the lower price. But continue to not own up to your shit. Even when others have been correcting you.

That's not a proper form of debate, is it though. Crying about mod-abuse is.

Dude, get ahold of yourself and step away from the keyboard for a bit. Like I said, you sound out of your mind right now.

You claim you don't want to derail, but guess what your doing right now.

 

[DeadlyVirus]

jesus, people are actually cancelling preorders over this?

It just went from a Day 1 buy to a "I'll get on Black Friday"

 

[legacyzero]

I apologize for my outburst LOL

 

[TAJ]

People still say it runs poorly, even at this.

On XBone, and the game hasn't gone gold yet.

 

[Zoned]

jesus, people are actually cancelling preorders over this?

Without knowing anything other than a "target" res or fps, you must have thought the game looked fun or something to preorder to begin with. People really do care more about fps and res than the actual game now. It is unfair to say they lowered anything, because we never knew the original res or fps. People still say it runs poorly, even at this. What if it was just impossible for them to get it where they wanted it?

Their earlier statement was 1080p/60FPS. Besides that, they have intentionally gone for parity on both the systems. It is pretty obvious that PS4 version must have higher resolution. So it is not difficult to understand, is it?

 

[Codes4Food]

It amazes me that people are so upset with this when it has been happening to nearly every PC game. Perhaps it's just not worth the time and money to optimize on a single platform....

No one would be complaining that the ps4 version was 900p if it was 720p on the xb1. Why must the ps4 "win"?

 

[shadowsdarknes]

If Ubi announces tomorrow that PS4 will come with a day 1 patch for 1080p, will that be enough for you to bite? Or is the damage done?

Hmm, but if they do that with such a quick turnaround that means they were probably able to go 1080p on PS4 the whole time... Ubi can't win

Day 1 patch is fine.

Even if MS isn't involved, this can simply be an oversight on their part.
Fixing the error of their ways is fine. I wouldn't even be mad anymore.

 

[Rurunaki]

jesus, people are actually cancelling preorders over this?

Without knowing anything other than a "target" res or fps, you must have thought the game looked fun or something to preorder to begin with. People really do care more about fps and res than the actual game now. It is unfair to say they lowered anything, because we never knew the original res or fps. People still say it runs poorly, even at this. What if it was just impossible for them to get it where they wanted it?

It's how they presented it that actually did the most damage. Saying "parity" in a PR statement is pretty much how you want to start controversies at this generation of gaming. Ironic too seeing as they wanted to "avoid" the controversies in the first place.

 

[saunderez]

Most likely this is part of the deal with MS from the start. They develop for X1 and then port to PS4 with minimal changes. This kind of stuff is going to upset people, especially PS4 fans, and PS4 currently has a 3:1 install base.

I don't really see how Microsoft wins at all from this. Any fence sitters will still see all the games that do run better on PS4. They're not going to convince me to buy an Xbone for a title that is parity with PS4. It's really dumb.

 

[g11]

Top men get involved.

ICE team, make it happen!

It's actually not a bad idea. Didn't Microsoft 'send a team' to 'help' devs on some game previously get their shit up to snuff? At the very least if Sony offers and Ubisoft is all like "No, we're good" then maybe that sheds some light. Worst case scenario, nothing improves.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

I need to apologise for daring to suggest that Ubisoft are a business who are likely wanting to treat both consoles equally?

Fucking hell, you really need to learn proper forms of debate.

You don't debate. You make baseless assumptions and cite uniformed opinions to back them up when you get called out.

Its especially telling when you go into threads that you clearly dont have a clue what you are talking about.

 

[matrixman92]

Their earlier statement was 1080p/60FPS. Besides that, they have intentionally gone for parity on both the systems. It is pretty obvious that PS4 version must have higher resolution. So it is not difficult to understand, is it?

that 1080p/60 fps was a "target", was it not? Targets mean absolutely nothing in the end

 

[Pathfinder]

Explain where the extra power is going. In their words :

"We decided to lock them at the same specs to avoid all the debates and stuff,"

They committed to a lesser version for the severely more powerful platform to avoid "debates and stuff".

Hey, I've got a wild idea. Stick with me here, I know it's kind of different...

How about we wait until we see actual gameplay demos of both PS4 and XO versions, and then we can see, with our own eyes, what the actual differences are so that we can make an intelligent and well-informed decision on whether or not Ubi really gimped the PS4 version?

You know, instead of listening to some executive who is probably dangerously close to losing his job at this point.

 

[On Demand]

If anything this just made it more known that the PS4 is more powerful than XB1. Hahahahahahahaha parity backfire!

 

[G0DLIKE]

Happy to see people denounce Ubisoft's actions here.

I'm surprised by the statement given to Kotaku about the issue. It may as well have read "You're all too stupid, poo poos".

It just went from a Day 1 buy to a "I'll get on Black Friday"

I went from not buying this game to "not buying anything from Ubisoft, unless it's compelling and second hand".

 

[Quasar]

The 900p downgrade from 1080p is not a dealbreaker for me. Now locking at 30fps when you could probably get it running at 60fps is a whole different story...

Yeah. If they had used the lower resolution to get a higher framerate I'd be fine, even in favour of it. I wish all games would prioritise framerate over resolution/visual effects.

 

[Hydrargyrus]

I'm really surprised to see people doubting about the Microsoft's implication in this.
Ubisoft has said that they INTENTIONALLY are making both versions equal in order to avoid debates. What debates?. It's pretty clear that they are talking about the performance differences between versions.

So do they prefer to sell less and piss off its consumers only to avoid the debates?, do you really think that?

The only one who's really beneficiated for this is Microsoft (and Ubisoft, if it's payed for this).

Happy to see people denounce Ubisoft's actions here.


I went from not buying this game to "not buying anything from Ubisoft, unless it's compelling and second hand".

I went from "I will buy it from second hand or a very low budget price" to "I won't buy anything from Ubisoft and Microsoft"

 

[Zoned]

that 1080p/60 fps was a "target", was it not? Targets mean absolutely nothing in the end

1080p/60FPS to 900p/30FPS. Quite a turnaround, isn't it? Also their preview build is shit with dips below 30 frames. So I am not sure how this game is even going to turn out.

 

[Purest 78]

What's in it for Ubisoft to spend the extra time/resources to make the game prettier on one platform? They don't care if you buy the xb1 or ps4 version, they make the same $$$

Since ps4 is easier to develop on with more power. Couldn't you achieve more on the ps4 with the same development time?

 

[TAJ]

It amazes me that people are so upset with this when it has been happening to nearly every PC game. Perhaps it's just not worth the time and money to optimize on a single platform....

No one would be complaining that the ps4 version was 900p if it was 720p on the xb1. Why must the ps4 "win"?

In the absence of other information a difference like that would make me believe that's the best that the two platforms could do.
I still wouldn't buy it, though.

 

[Rurunaki]

Hey, I've got a wild idea. Stick with me here, I know it's kind of different...

How about we wait until we see actual gameplay demos of both PS4 and XO versions, and then we can see, with our own eyes, what the actual differences are so that we can make an intelligent and well-informed decision on whether or not Ubi really gimped the PS4 version?

You know, instead of listening to some executive who is probably dangerously close to losing his job at this point.

Nothing to wait for. This quote right here says it all.

"We decided to lock them at the same specs to avoid all the debates and stuff,"

So we're getting the same game whether you like it or not.

 

[Codes4Food]

Yeah. If they had used the lower resolution to get a higher framerate I'd be fine, even in favour of it. I wish all games would prioritise framerate over resolution/visual effects.

It's a open world game and it's from Ubisoft. It wouldn't run 60fps at 480p

 

[Pathfinder]

Since ps4 is easier to develop on with more power. Couldn't you achieve more on the ps4 with the same development time?

It doesn't quite work like that...