Assassin's Creed "Parity": Unity is 900p/30fps on both PS4 & Xbox One

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Simple question:

Who benefits financially from forced parity between the PS4 and Xbox One versions? Tick all that apply.

[] Sony
[] Microsoft
[] Ubisoft

If there is no tick against Ubisoft, then what would motivate them to do this? Out of the goodness of their own hearts as a favour to MS? Knowing that MS have desperately been trying to close the performance gap as weaker Xbox One versions hurt them financially?
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Simple question:

Who benefits financially from forced parity between the PS4 and Xbox One versions? Tick all that apply.

[] Sony
[] Microsoft
[] Ubisoft

If there is no tick against Ubisoft, then what would motivate them to do this? Out of the goodness of their own hearts as a favour to MS?

What's in it for Ubisoft to spend the extra time/resources to make the game prettier on one platform? They don't care if you buy the xb1 or ps4 version, they make the same $$$
 
One of microsoft's engineers...

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Sony sends engineers. They change one line of code. 1080p. Back on the next flight.

LOL!
 
I'm sure the game will be just as fun without the extra 180 of p's.

But it looks like the performance advantage of the ps4 will be limited to exclusives.

I know this is joke post, but I see this nonsense posted often. You all do realize the resolution is 1600x900 vs 1920x1080 right? There is a difference in both vertical and horizontal pixels and not just "180 of p's"
 
For great reason...admitting to purposely holding back one version to avoid debates is a ridiculous move. I really enjoy the clarity that comes with a full HD image, so to know we're being denied that for the sake of PR is pretty much a guarantee I won't be buying Unity anymore.

I just can't swallow shelling out my money for a product that's held back on purpose.

So you've played every version of AC on PC up until this point?
 
Perhaps the PS4 version has a more stable framerate or better anti-aliasing.

But it is only a minor difference. The PS4 is more powerful than XOne but the power difference is only small anyway.
 
But it looks like the performance advantage of the ps4 will be limited to exclusives.

No. Good developers will take advantage of the strengths of each platform. For example, both Project Cars and The Witcher 3 will push both consoles as far as they can and deliver the best customer experience.

The fact that Ubisoft is intent on delivering the worst, lowest common denominator experience on all platforms is a reflection on Ubisoft.
 
Clearly you missed my point.
I own an Xbox One and a PlayStation4. I've owned every Xbox and every PlayStation, in fact. I will buy Halo:MC Collection day one. I will buy Uncharted 4 day one next year.

The point I'm making is that this constant Fanboy-on-Fanboy trash talk turns off so many of us. Really?! 100 pages in a day?

I blame the industry for it. Whether its the cop-out timed "Exclusives" (Tomb Raider) that are disingenuous claims to adding value to consumers, or these disastrous marketing-department-driven decisions with framerate and resolution.....no one wins. No one!

So the PC space grows because many of us are the entire d@mned conversation. Its either that, pick a side and get angry....or stop gaming.

Lol no PC gaming gets shoddy ports, and miss out on many console exclusives.

It isn't the gaming panacea you claim it is. Majority can't even run games at PS4 level :P
 
I'm sure the game will be just as fun without the extra 180 of p's.

But it looks like the performance advantage of the ps4 will be limited to exclusives.

Exactly. And this was the case with PS3 too. Sony has amazing first party talent who will do wonders. I cant wait to see next God of war, Uncharted 4, GT7. Dont feel like your PS4 extra power is useless. It will be utilized fullest. Even AC Unity might look better with same resolution. No one knows any details. Stop getting so dramatic guys.
 
The fact that you wrote "I can play on PS4 with better resolution and frame rates." That's not true at all even if you own a mid range setup.

The reason they are bad is because of the resources some of the effects use even though they don't produce any significant improvement.

Your putting words in my mouth I said I can play it at at a a consistent performance on console were as PC in ubisofts case its a damn crapshoot on how its going to run regardless of specs. I wasn't going to spend money on a PC port for 4 again when I knew the ps4 version, going by the reviews and digital foundry, was going to be just fine. I also, skipped watch dogs on pc for the same reason why would I keep doing the same thing to myself with this companies history of sloppy pc ports at least from the get go launch windows.
 
Regardless of what exactly happened, one thing's for sure, this is the angriest I think I've seen the community in a long time.

I get some of the arguements, but the level of anger is something I don't understand. There have been a few times something has happened like this and even when there are logical arguments there is often this intensity that just seems extreme.
 
It's a valid comment.

AC Unity and Destiny are the biggest games of the year, and they're equal in terms of performance. It isn't moronic to say what I said, when fucking this just happened.

Dude, that's just two games. You ignored FIFA 15 where PS4 version looks better, and you're also ignoring any game that's not "big" IP/franshise.

Also we've to see the differences in Far Cry 4, Dragon Age:Inquisition, CoD:AW and GTA V.
 
Simple question:

Who benefits financially from forced parity between the PS4 and Xbox One versions? Tick all that apply.

[] Sony
[] Microsoft
[] Ubisoft

If there is no tick against Ubisoft, then what would motivate them to do this? Out of the goodness of their own hearts as a favour to MS? Knowing that MS have desperately been trying to close the performance gap as weaker Xbox One versions hurt them financially?


While Cui bono is a time honoured rhetorical technique pre-dating Cicero, it's not very compelling if you're also begging the question. You're assuming firstly that there are no differences at all between the two versions, and then secondly that the PS4 has
been deliberately crippled, that is, you have assumed 75% of your conclusion in the premise of your argument.
 
So you've played every version of AC on PC up until this point?

Nope I'm a console gamer...Black Flag was 1080P right? Regardless of where I played previous iterations I don't want to hear the version I intended to buy Is being held back to "avoid debates".

You may not agree, but you gotta see how that can rub someone the wrong way...
 
If you can't have your game run at stable 30FPS at fucking 900p then I don't know why are even releasing it. Also it is interesting to note that their earlier target was 1080/60. Quite a turnaround, isn't it?

It was targeted for both consoles iirc. Maybe Ubi's statements about the game being cpu-bound might have something to do with it right?
 
So, let me get this straight. First, you make some wild claims and people call you out on them, but you don't address them because "that would derail the thread". Then, you continue to make those claims which are derailing the thread. Now you're playing the victim because you were insulted by a mod who's telling you to "Quit embarrassing youself".

Doesn't really sound like an insult to me, more like some much needed advice. And now we're both derailing the thread.

I've been banned for derailing threads before, hence why I said what I fucking said, and it wasn't a claim, it's a fucking opinion.

I don't give a shit about being mocked by posters such as yourself, as I never respond to such juvenile behaviour.

But being openly mocked by a mod, I find to be concerning, especially on what's supposed to be a neutral forum. Kagari literally joined in with the others who were mocking.

It's very poor form, and a bit of a disgrace.
 
Not sure if it's been brought up, but this is interesting. Ubisoft on why there's no Wii U version.

"....It wouldn't be possible, in our minds we'd be cheating fans by providing a lesser version of the same game."

I understand the Wii U isn't very comparable to the XB1 and PS4's power or anything, but they're essentially providing a lesser version of the same game to PS4 owners.

Source:
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ubisoft-explains-why-assassins-creed-unity-is-skip/1100-6422777/
 
I don't understand.

A lot of people would suffer from some anger over the fact that they paid a premium but got the same service as people who paid a lower amount. It was a joke on the fact that a lot of PS4 owners paid $100 less than the competition but should receive a better experience from the superior hardware.
 
Lmao at people who can't read. Ubi basically stated they CHOSE to keep both versions at 900p to avoid debates. What part of this sentence don't you understand ? Smh

"We understand how Senior Producer Vincent Pontbriand's quotes have been misinterpreted. To set the record straight, we did not lower the specs for Assassin's Creed Unity to account for any one system over the other.

At no point did we decide to reduce the ambitions of any SKU. All benefited from the full dedication of all of our available optimization resources to help them reach the level of quality we have today with the core Assassin's Creed Unity experience."

Sounds more like their engine and optimization for next gen is still bad and instead of devoting time to trying to improve these aspects of the game's performance on consoles they're just going to shove it out at the same resolution and framerate ACIV had on both xb1 and ps4 last time, considering how minimally something like this will inevitably impact this game's sales in the end. The watch dogs downgrades certainly didn't do anything major to hurt that game's considerable sales.
 
Just tell your friends a quick summary about Ubisoft chose to gimp the PS4 version (stopping development on a severely more powerful platform for parity is gimping) to maintain parity with Xbone version. It's gotten a couple of preorder cancellations/used purchase committments with that.
 
Exactly. And this was the case with PS3 too. Sony has amazing first party talent who will do wonders. I cant wait to see next God of war, Uncharted 4, GT7. Dont feel like your PS4 extra power is useless. It will be utilized fullest. Even AC Unity might look better with same resolution. No one knows any details. Stop getting so dramatic guys.

Or if we make noise now this shit won't keep happening as we move forward into the gen. If we all just sit here like "oh hay da game is still gr8 at 900p day 1 even tho not interest!!!" then third parties get the idea that it's okay to be lazy with PS4 versions and we'll accept Xbox One parity.

I know I got a PS4 because it's more powerful (and cheaper) so I'd like to see that used. If you can't do that, you don't get my money. Simple and plain.
 
Your putting words in my mouth I said I can play it at at a a consistent performance on console were as PC in ubisofts case its a damn crapshoot on how its going to run regardless of specs. I wasn't going to spend money on a PC port for 4 again when I knew the ps4 version, going by the reviews and digital foundry, was going to be just fine. I also, skipped watch dogs on pc for the same reason why would I keep doing the same thing to myself with this companies history of sloppy pc ports at least from the get go launch windows.

I agree with your point that Ubisoft is notorious for releasing shoddy PC ports, but if you own a mid range setup then it will at least provide you an experience similar to what you get on PS4. But if you talk in terms of PC standards, then year sure they are crappy ports.
 
Just tell your friends a quick summary about Ubisoft chose to gimp the PS4 version (stopping development on a severely more powerful platform for parity is gimping) to maintain parity with Xbone version. It's gotten a couple of preorder cancellations/used purchase committments with that.

So you're in favor of propagating a non-truth?

Seems very level-headed and logical.

Sorry, but I don't lie to my friends.
 
How could Microsoft sell more XboxOne if PS4 games continually looking better?

Which wasn't in the picture of what I responding to. The post was speaking of customers being lost on the XBO platform if there is a 1080p PS4 port of Unity. Same in that it's not something that should affect Ubisoft's development of the game, where I doubt they could care less so long as they make good money off of it overall and can't view one as a total waste. Even with Xbox One lagging far behind, I highly doubt Unity sales will be disappointing there in respect to the install base, unlike with the Wii U in the past.

But now when turned into Microsoft looking to gain console sales, it's a mixed bag. Overall, most people aren't going to care outside of communities like GAF or Reddit which has a slight graphical edge of one multi platform game that will make or break the adoption of that system. At this point, it's pretty clear where each system stands and, bar any major revisions/updates, most of the audience out there knows where they and their social circle are leaning.

Microsoft also has marketing exclusivity, which is a strong player. Titanfall was one where the marketing push for Xbox One bit both them and EA in the ass where the 360 version essentially stealth launched (and was a great port from what I've heard outside of the port dev's terrible DLC support). Here, it's not an issue as not only will it feature prominently for their system, but also as part as a very recognizable brand.

With that last point coupled with potential performance/output parity (as they probably were in the marketing contract if true), it could lead to some better adoption for the XBO sales this holiday. I personally don't see it being significant to be worth throwing the greens down, but I'm also not paid to make forecasts in markets.
 
Nah, just a bit pissed off that I can be mocked, but if I was to mock her, she can ban me.

I'd like an apology.

Ok just stop with this. We should get an apology for having to endure your blatant xbox agenda.

You sound out of your mind right now wanting an apology. You were embarrassing yourself. The truth hurts so much that instead of looking in the mirror at your actions, you'd rather shift blame to a mod?

Stand up guy right here. Smh
 
It's a valid comment.

AC Unity and Destiny are the biggest games of the year, and they're equal in terms of performance. It isn't moronic to say what I said, when fucking this just happened.

Destiny is a cross gen and still looks worse on Xbox. Unity is the first we've heard of a company aiming low on the more popular, more powerful, current gen only system to avoid hurting egos.
 
Even the used copy has to be sourced from a new copy. That would still be justifying a sale. Make every reseller feel the pinch, even little Johnny with an eBay account.
They still don't get the money, so it's a win-win for me. I get to play the game, and they get 0$ for their shady practices. :)

hwy_61 said:
When you say squash, what exactly do you envision?
They could state that if you do a parity clause, you don't get to put the game in our console. Of course, that's putting all your poker chips in because there is a thin line between a stroke of genius to harmful beyond repair by the time the next gen comes (since noone will have the guts to say no considering their lead this gen).
 
I get some of the arguements, but the level of anger is something I don't understand. There have been a few times something has happened like this and even when there are logical arguments there is often this intensity that just seems extreme.

People hate when corporate interests step on gaming for no real reason, and this is one of those moments. Nobody really 'wins' here except Microsoft, and even then that will be blown away if it ever comes to light that they directly influenced this decision. Imagine if a sports car maker came out and said "We didn't put that much effort into the suspension, because we just want to avoid debates about all that stuff." People would be equally riled.

Technical incompetence can be forgiven, or even admirable if a game is at least trying. But laziness? Corporate malice? Surefire way to get pitchforks handed out.

Totally deserved.
 
Ok just stop with this. We should get an apology for having to endure your blatant xbox agenda.

You sound out of your mind right now wanting an apology. You were embarrassing yourself. The truth hurts so much that instead of looking in the mirror at your actions, you'd rather shift blame to a mod?

Stand up guy right here. Smh

I need to apologise for daring to suggest that Ubisoft are a business who are likely wanting to treat both consoles equally?

Fucking hell, you really need to learn proper forms of debate.
 
Sony definitely needs to start leveraging the wide sales gap better (they probably are) to offset the MS cash reserves. Pay2Play guys don't Pay2Win
 
As someone who has gotten EVERY Collector/Limited Editions from AC1 all the way to AC3 and bought the Liberation and BlackFlag on launch day, I will not be buying this. This was really really dumb on Ubi's part.

Like others have said I wonder whats gonna happen to Far Cry 4, The Divison, and Rainbow 6.

Instead of 3 open world games that I could get in Nov I may as well just get GTAV. At least I know R* is pushing both Systems to their limit, not just one and throwing in the towel.
 
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