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[kpaadet]

And this is my biggest concern. Sony gets complacent and we see the Sony of old PS2 era where they were happy to flaunt their lead rather than continue to push the console forward.
We as their customers need to hold their feet to the fire and drive them to continue to develop the machine, or at least give better feedback to their customers to what they're working on and when we can see tangible results.

Wait, there are some that didn't like the PS2 era? I consider it to be the golden age of console gaming, if the PS4 could imitate that I would be very happy.

I don't, it's what lead to shit like the infamous "console war over, the battle for second place is moot" E3 slide


And machines like the PS3 where I was suggested to get a second job to pay for it's high price.

Please tell me why as a gamer I should care about a flame bait E3 slide? I care about hardware and the software, not the fluff on the side that console warriors get angry about.

 

[BrunoM]

I don't, it's what lead to shit like the infamous "console war over, the battle for second place is moot" E3 slide


And machines like the PS3 where I was suggested to get a second job to pay for it's high price.

If you look at it that way ..

But as far as "gaming" goes that era GameCube Xbox and ps2 between them some of the best games ever and ps2 lead it all the way destroying every record around for a home console ..

Or maybe j see it more that way because of the age I was at the time and video games didn't and haven't had the same feel to it ever sense
Not saying PS3 era didn't gave amazing games it did and before the ps2 some of my fav games being before (master system sonics and Alex kid) but any records games I think will always been seen and compared to the monster the Playstation 2 was

Any company in this business would dream of nothing other than having a ps2 like era under their name
And for us gamers I think we would want nothing other than that would be good for all of us no matter what

 

[Birgitte2004]

For all the updates the Xbox One OS has had, they still haven't changed the fact that game installs and updates are PS3-level slow. I went to play Madden the other day and it took over an hour to download and install the update. By the time it installed, I didn't feel like playing anymore.

I will not give MS any credit whatsoever until they fix that, and I've seen nothing like it on the PS4.

 

[regenhuber88]

This is an unwinnable battle. Some people truly don't care about the media centric features in the XB1. I, personally think they are great, but there are others who just want to play Madden/2K/COD, party chat, and watch netflix. They log on to play some games with their buddies and then switch to Netflix to watch tv shows with their significant other.

Maybe those people don't know what they're missing because they don't have it? That's left up to MS to convince those people to take a chance and since their intial stumbles, they are making a great attempt.

The X1 OS on day 1 was bad compared to now. I was really worried that I bought the wrong console last year. Outside the US the TV-App wasn't supported at all.
Most apps were US only. Kinect was bad/slow.
Now the X1 makes peoples jaws drop when you show them the OS.

I think it makes sense what Pachter says, because now the X1 is really gaining steam. If you have the X1 set up right with TV, USB device etc. it is just wonderful and actually the ONLY "Next-Gen" system there is, because it really makes media in your living room a better experience. PS4 is just a PS3 with better hardware.

Of course hardcore gamers who care about 1080p 60fps etc will get the PS4, but don't be surprised if X1 sells more overall when everything is said and done.
The number of features added by MS from 2013 to 2014 to this system is amazing, PS4 remained stagnant and had all those technical issues.

 

[Omnipunctual Godot]

This could be Pachter's Dick Morris moment.

 

[ilikecandy]

For all the talk about how Sony sucks with OS updates and Microsoft is the bestest, I'm trying to think of a single thing Microsoft has added post launch that's actually worth bragging about.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

The X1 OS on day 1 was bad compared to now. I was really worried that I bought the wrong console last year. Outside the US the TV-App wasn't supported at all.
Most apps were US only. Kinect was bad/slow.
Now the X1 makes peoples jaws drop when you show them the OS.

I think it makes sense what Pachter says, because now the X1 is really gaining steam. If you have the X1 set up right with TV, USB device etc. it is just wonderful and actually the ONLY "Next-Gen" system there is, because it really makes media in your living room a better experience. PS4 is just a PS3 with better hardware.

Of course hardcore gamers who care about 1080p 60fps etc will get the PS4, but don't be surprised if X1 sells more overall when everything is said and done.
The number of features added by MS from 2013 to 2014 to this system is amazing, PS4 remained stagnant and had all those technical issues.

that's all awesome.. and great for current XBO users but I don't see how OS updates sell consoles at all.

I am as big a gamer as they come and I couldn't tell you where the OS is on XBO I guarantee you most gamers and consumers have no idea either.

I can see giving away a free game giving the XBO a boost but I still think there is no way it won September.

I could be wrong though.

 

[tait269]

For all the talk about how Sony sucks with OS updates and Microsoft is the bestest, I'm trying to think of a single thing Microsoft has added post launch that's actually worth bragging about.

MKV DLNA playback?

 

[cackhyena]

The X1 OS on day 1 was bad compared to now. I was really worried that I bought the wrong console last year. Outside the US the TV-App wasn't supported at all.
Most apps were US only. Kinect was bad/slow.
Now the X1 makes peoples jaws drop when you show them the OS.

I think it makes sense what Pachter says, because now the X1 is really gaining steam. If you have the X1 set up right with TV, USB device etc. it is just wonderful and actually the ONLY "Next-Gen" system there is, because it really makes media in your living room a better experience. PS4 is just a PS3 with better hardware.

Of course hardcore gamers who care about 1080p 60fps etc will get the PS4, but don't be surprised if X1 sells more overall when everything is said and done.
The number of features added by MS from 2013 to 2014 to this system is amazing, PS4 remained stagnant and had all those technical issues.

The possibility for 1080p and 60fps makes it a next gen gaming system. Not the things it does besides gaming. Your X1 selling more in the end line is hilarious.

 

[PhatSaqs]

For all the talk about how Sony sucks with OS updates and Microsoft is the bestest, I'm trying to think of a single thing Microsoft has added post launch that's actually worth bragging about.

Snapping friends, messages, cheevies is worth bragging about.

 

[BriGuy]

Of course hardcore gamers who care about 1080p 60fps etc will get the PS4, but don't be surprised if X1 sells more overall when everything is said and done.
The number of features added by MS from 2013 to 2014 to this system is amazing, PS4 remained stagnant and had all those technical issues.

Care to elaborate? Everything you stated in this paragraph has me scratching my head.

 

[Osahi]

For all the talk about how Sony sucks with OS updates and Microsoft is the bestest, I'm trying to think of a single thing Microsoft has added post launch that's actually worth bragging about.

This. In the end I still use my Xbox One solely for games, and the OS can be hard to navigate without Kinect (seriously, how is it possible to clutter your OS that much and still make it hard to find functions) and install times are very slow compared.

The PS4 OS isn't perfect (the horizontal bar can be bothersome when searching for a title you haven't played in a while) and it can use some basic functions (folders, anyone). But it's easier to use and more functional.

Also, if constant OS updates are thé strong point of a console, it's in a poor position imo. I have an Xbox One since Titanfall, and since that title I rarely fired it up. Only now with the briliant Forza Horizon 2 it manages to steal some time from my PS4 again. (If you own solely an Xbox One you've got a lot of multiplats offcourse).

I also don't think one line up is the better one this holiday season. Yeah there is Sunset Overdrive which looks cool (but was very hectic in the Gamescom demo), but there is no way LBP3 is a less invigorating title. Halo MCC is great bang for your buck, but still a HD-bundle of old games (so yeah, if a HD-bundle is you're strongest title, your lineup can be considered pretty poor). In the end, both consoles don't really have a holiday line-up I get a hard-on for (although I am a big LBP fan)... 2015 will be crazy though, on both I guess

 

[BrunoM]

The X1 OS on day 1 was bad compared to now. I was really worried that I bought the wrong console last year. Outside the US the TV-App wasn't supported at all.
Most apps were US only. Kinect was bad/slow.
Now the X1 makes peoples jaws drop when you show them the OS.

I think it makes sense what Pachter says, because now the X1 is really gaining steam. If you have the X1 set up right with TV, USB device etc. it is just wonderful and actually the ONLY "Next-Gen" system there is, because it really makes media in your living room a better experience. PS4 is just a PS3 with better hardware.

Of course hardcore gamers who care about 1080p 60fps etc will get the PS4, but don't be surprised if X1 sells more overall when everything is said and done.
The number of features added by MS from 2013 to 2014 to this system is amazing, PS4 remained stagnant and had all those technical issues.

I could point out a few thing in what you just said but won't ..
Not in the mood for that ..

Just that in the end it's a gaming machine and gamers want to play games and will fall and go to the system that has games it's not about the "1080p 60fps" it's about GAMES
I happen to own both systems but for all the bells and shinys the Xbox one does have I like the ps4 more it's just apels to me more as a GAMER and I did get an xboxone be said of some GAMES I would only be able to get on that system (even tho I coulve waited until those games come out)

In the end the system will sell more around the world will be the one that will call out more to gamers with the games not that it has a fancy OS

 

[Patroclos]

I think the catalyst (for consoles at least) will be how awful sales appear to be in NPD threads for certain titles despite their being a relative success. For example, we have reports that about 70% of Driveclub sales have been digital (It was some reliable report, at least, I think?). It will look like it completely bombed in the October NPD results which is horrible PR and optics. Same deal in every country that doesn't track digital. You can surely agree that that one talking point alone will cause massive console warring here. I sort of get the vibe that Forza Horizon 2 might pan out the same way though of course I have no scientific evidence.

Sony and Microsoft will eventually feel compelled to release digital data in order to save face. As pre-loading becomes more popular and bonuses are actually starting to be offered for digital pre-orders this will slowly add up for the big publishers, too. Imagine a point where 25-50% of something like a Madden, FIFA or CoD were digital. On just physical units that would look like a catastrophic year-over-year decline--every year--where perhaps total sales could be up. For the same PR reasons the Big Guys will eventually have to play along, too.

I think you are spot on. I too was not ready for an "all digital future". I was actually quite against it, especially Microsoft's version. However my digital purchases far outweigh my physical purchases. In fact the only physical copies I purchased so far are the 2 Maddens that have released and Ghosts. Reason being I knew I would trade them. Honestly, Microsoft may have been right, their version was just amazingly bad.

 

[kpaadet]

The X1 OS on day 1 was bad compared to now. I was really worried that I bought the wrong console last year. Outside the US the TV-App wasn't supported at all.
Most apps were US only. Kinect was bad/slow.
Now the X1 makes peoples jaws drop when you show them the OS.

I think it makes sense what Pachter says, because now the X1 is really gaining steam. If you have the X1 set up right with TV, USB device etc. it is just wonderful and actually the ONLY "Next-Gen" system there is, because it really makes media in your living room a better experience. PS4 is just a PS3 with better hardware.

Of course hardcore gamers who care about 1080p 60fps etc will get the PS4, but don't be surprised if X1 sells more overall when everything is said and done.
The number of features added by MS from 2013 to 2014 to this system is amazing, PS4 remained stagnant and had all those technical issues.

So now "next gen" consoles are defined by their media options? Don is that you?

 

[regenhuber88]

I could point out a few thing in what you just said but won't ..
Not in the mood for that ..

Just that in the end it's a gaming machine and gamers want to play games and will fall and go to the system that has games it's not about the "1080p 60fps" it's about GAMES
I happen to own both systems but for all the bells and shinys the Xbox one does have I like the ps4 more it's just apels to me more as a GAMER and I did get an xboxone be said of some GAMES I would only be able to get on that system (even tho I coulve waited until those games come out)

In the end the system will sell more around the world will be the one that will call out more to gamers with the games not that it has a fancy OS

Since you have both consoles you are really not the customer that I am talking about.
Gamewise I think X1 has an advantage over PS4 this Xmas, FH2 killed DC for example.

 

[DWinn7]

The X1 OS on day 1 was bad compared to now. I was really worried that I bought the wrong console last year. Outside the US the TV-App wasn't supported at all.
Most apps were US only. Kinect was bad/slow.
Now the X1 makes peoples jaws drop when you show them the OS.

I think it makes sense what Pachter says, because now the X1 is really gaining steam. If you have the X1 set up right with TV, USB device etc. it is just wonderful and actually the ONLY "Next-Gen" system there is, because it really makes media in your living room a better experience. PS4 is just a PS3 with better hardware.

Of course hardcore gamers who care about 1080p 60fps etc will get the PS4, but don't be surprised if X1 sells more overall when everything is said and done.
The number of features added by MS from 2013 to 2014 to this system is amazing, PS4 remained stagnant and had all those technical issues.

I think MS initially overestimated the value of casual media centric gamers. Most of those users are still comfortable with their last gen consoles with Netflix/HBO Go/COD/Madden and convincing them to plunk down 399-499 seems harder than they initially thought. Especially considering the graphical leap was not as extreme as PS2/XBox to 360/PS3(Fight Night blew me away)

The next tier of gamers, not necessarily hardcore, saw a more powerful console for a cheaper price and took the leap. They have their go to mutilplat games and hold no allegiance to a brand. They play wherever their friends and the competition are at.

The next tier of gamers, hardcore or whatever you want to call it, felt some type of way about the initial MS policies and held a grudge. Which caused them to jump ship and/or wait until the Xbox One became a must have console.

I think most console owners fall someone in that heirachy.

 

[jetjevons]

Wow. 50 pages.

I'm sure this has been said but Pachter's theory has got to be that Destiny is a system seller and he believes it sold more Xbones than PS4s. Probably because shooters with a online component do better on Xbone than PS4 because Xbox Live? I don't know. It seems crazy.

 

[OneLifeCycle]

I won't buy digital until the price is less than that of physical. Doesn't make sense that it's the same. I'm surprised many are falling for it.

 

[Chaplain]

Wow. 50 pages.

I'm sure this has been said but Pachter's theory has got to be that Destiny is a system seller and he believes it sold more Xbones than PS4s. Probably because shooters with a online component do better on Xbone than PS4 because Xbox Live? I don't know. It seems crazy.

Do you have any evidence that this is the case for 3rd party games on PS4 and X1?

 

[regenhuber88]

The possibility for 1080p and 60fps makes it a next gen gaming system. Not the things it does besides gaming. Your X1 selling more in the end line is hilarious.

Hilarious why?

I think a next gen gaming system that appeals to the "masses" (those are the ppl I am talking about and those ppl will decide which console gets sold more) is the one that gives "Joe Somebody" the most bang for the buck.
And "Joe" does not care about 1080/60 I promise you.

 

[Patroclos]

I think Gta5 is going to obliterate the compitition. This remaster has been under the wraps for over a year. They will release a long ass trailer revealing all the new features and content and people will go pear-shaped over it.

I fully expect a titanfall situation, where the MCC sales will do very little for the actual installbase numbers because most fans already picked up a bone somewhere along the way.

People want to give MCC a nod because of the nostalgia factor. I think the top-of-mind factor of last gen's biggest game, spit-shined for nextgen greatness has alot more potential to draw in and expand the installbase, especially when there will be a bundle.

GTA 5 will be the top seller for the month, with the ps4 version pulling ahead of the MCC.

Ps4 will see a bigger bump on the back of GTA 5 then xbone will see on the back of MCC.

I have two ban bets riding on this, any takers?

I'm with you on this. I don't have the balls for a ban bet though. It will be close but more PS4's and GTA being a sonycentric franchise equals a close PS victory. People are thinking a collection of old remastered Halo will set the world on fire. I don't see it happening when its up against the biggest, best gta ever. It is going to be a tour de force on next gen. I'll get MCC at some point but doubtfully before the new year. If SSO was in November too then I would say MS wins.

LOL. I just typed Halo in my browser to see when MCC comes out, I got this;
http://halo.bungie.net

It's worth looking at purely for the tab name; Bungie.net Satisfying your mom since 1991. How does typing Halo still take me there, and specifically an ad that puts down Halo? I'm more confident in your bets now.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

I'm with you on this. I don't have the balls for a ban bet though. It will be close but more PS4's and GTA being a sonycentric franchise equals a close PS victory. People are thinking a collection of old remastered Halo will set the world on fire. I don't see it happening when its up against the biggest, best gta ever. It is going to be a tour de force on next gen. I'll get MCC at some point but doubtfully before the new year. If SSO was in November too then I would say MS wins.

LOL. I just typed Halo in my browser to see when MCC comes out, I got this;
http://halo.bungie.net

It's worth looking at purely for the tab name; Bungie.net Satisfying your mom since 1991. How does typing Halo still take me there, and specifically an ad that puts down Halo? I'm more confident in your bets now.

If GTAV were exclusive to PS4 then I'd agree, but both systems are getting GTAV.

 

[regenhuber88]

I think MS initially overestimated the value of casual media centric gamers. Most of those users are still comfortable with their last gen consoles with Netflix/HBO Go/COD/Madden and convincing them to plunk down 399-499 seems harder than they initially thought. Especially considering the graphical leap was not as extreme as PS2/XBox to 360/PS3(Fight Night blew me away)

The next tier of gamers, not necessarily hardcore, saw a more powerful console for a cheaper price and took the leap. They have their go to mutilplat games and hold no allegiance to a brand. They play wherever their friends and the competition are at.

The next tier of gamers, hardcore or whatever you want to call it, felt some type of way about the initial MS policies and held a grudge. Which caused them to jump ship and/or wait until the Xbox One became a must have console.

I think most console owners fall someone in that heirachy.

Really well said (I wish I was a native speaker)!
Pricing, NFL/Bundesliga deals, bundles etc. are all factors that don't concern people here on NeoGaf but are really deciding factors for the mass audiences.

And some of the factors that made the X1 launch so bad are gone now.

Another factor that was HUGE in the EU was the NSA/Snowden scandal for example.
Just when that stuff was all over the media, MS as a US company comes out with a console that points a camera at your couch

 

[Footos22]

Snapping friends, messages, cheevies is worth bragging about.

Hardly. Rather have a full screen then ugly ui on the side.

 

[Artex]

The X1 OS on day 1 was bad compared to now. I was really worried that I bought the wrong console last year. Outside the US the TV-App wasn't supported at all.
Most apps were US only. Kinect was bad/slow.
Now the X1 makes peoples jaws drop when you show them the OS.

I think it makes sense what Pachter says, because now the X1 is really gaining steam. If you have the X1 set up right with TV, USB device etc. it is just wonderful and actually the ONLY "Next-Gen" system there is, because it really makes media in your living room a better experience. PS4 is just a PS3 with better hardware.

Of course hardcore gamers who care about 1080p 60fps etc will get the PS4, but don't be surprised if X1 sells more overall when everything is said and done.
The number of features added by MS from 2013 to 2014 to this system is amazing, PS4 remained stagnant and had all those technical issues.

This is a shameful post.

 

[spatenfloot]

I think a next gen gaming system that appeals to the "masses" (those are the ppl I am talking about and those ppl will decide which console gets sold more) is the one that gives "Joe Somebody" the most bang for the buck.
And "Joe" does not care about 1080/60 I promise you.

Sure he does. He just doesn't know what it is called. He knows that his gamer friend told him that console z has better graphics, so that's what he goes to buy at the store.

 

[cakely]

Hilarious why?

I think a next gen gaming system that appeals to the "masses" (those are the ppl I am talking about and those ppl will decide which console gets sold more) is the one that gives "Joe Somebody" the most bang for the buck.
And "Joe" does not care about 1080/60 I promise you.

So you're saying "Joe" cares more about OS Updates and DLNA support than higher resolution?

Also, when, exactly do you predict that the Xbox one will "sell more overall" than the Playstation 4? Holiday 2014? 2015?

 

[sense]

I think Gta5 is going to obliterate the compitition. This remaster has been under the wraps for over a year. They will release a long ass trailer revealing all the new features and content and people will go pear-shaped over it.

I fully expect a titanfall situation, where the MCC sales will do very little for the actual installbase numbers because most fans already picked up a bone somewhere along the way.

People want to give MCC a nod because of the nostalgia factor. I think the top-of-mind factor of last gen's biggest game, spit-shined for nextgen greatness has alot more potential to draw in and expand the installbase, especially when there will be a bundle.

GTA 5 will be the top seller for the month, with the ps4 version pulling ahead of the MCC.

Ps4 will see a bigger bump on the back of GTA 5 then xbone will see on the back of MCC.

I have two ban bets riding on this, any takers?

i can't see it beating cod for the month best seller especially with cod on more systems. even if we talk ps4 and xb1 only cod sales will beat gta 5 imo because it is a new game compared to gta being a remaster. unless cod massively disappoints and gta has new heists coming with the game cod will be the best seller for the month. gta 5 beating halo mcc is a given considering it is on 2 platforms. if comparing xb1 version only for btoth games it is a toss up but gta might win that too

 

[DWinn7]

Really well said (I wish I was a native speaker)!
Pricing, NFL/Bundesliga deals, bundles etc. are all factors that don't concern people here on NeoGaf but are really deciding factors for the mass audiences.

And some of the factors that made the X1 launch so bad are gone now.

Another factor that was HUGE in the EU was the NSA/Snowden scandal for example.
Just when that stuff was all over the media, MS as a US company comes out with a console that points a camera at your couch

LOL!! Yeah the timing of the always on Kinect and NSA/Snowden was pretty crappy. It really seemed like the perfect storm for Sony. But.....this is the first year in a lengthy race. I hope to see both companies push each other.

 

[Xando]

Really well said (I wish I was a native speaker)!
Pricing, NFL/Bundesliga deals, bundles etc. are all factors that don't concern people here on NeoGaf but are really deciding factors for the mass audiences.

And some of the factors that made the X1 launch so bad are gone now.

Another factor that was HUGE in the EU was the NSA/Snowden scandal for example.
Just when that stuff was all over the media, MS as a US company comes out with a console that points a camera at your couch

What are you talking about? they have no Bundesliga deal.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

If Pachter is somehow right.....

Really well said (I wish I was a native speaker)!
Pricing, NFL/Bundesliga deals, bundles etc. are all factors that don't concern people here on NeoGaf but are really deciding factors for the mass audiences.

And some of the factors that made the X1 launch so bad are gone now.

Another factor that was HUGE in the EU was the NSA/Snowden scandal for example.
Just when that stuff was all over the media, MS as a US company comes out with a console that points a camera at your couch

No market anywhere cares about that.

 

[Patroclos]

Microsoft only brags about figures that paint them in a positive light compared to the PS4.

Xbox One's LTD sell-through is less than stellar, so they won't report it. They'll just talk about how wonderful September sales were.

Now of course, Microsoft will not win September so this shouldn't even be a hypothetical.

Microsoft sales figure;

"Over a billion hours were spent playing Halo* in November!!!"

*Halo includes all Halo titles across Microsoft platforms.

 

[spatenfloot]

So you're saying "Joe" cares more about OS Updates and DLNA support than higher resolution?

Why just the other day at GameStop, a man came in looking for a new console.
"The PS4 runs Callydooty at higher resolution" said the helpful store clerk.
"Naw," the man replied, " I want the one that updates the OS more!"

Spoiler

not actual dialog

 

[FonkyByNature]

The X1 OS on day 1 was bad compared to now. I was really worried that I bought the wrong console last year. Outside the US the TV-App wasn't supported at all.
Most apps were US only. Kinect was bad/slow.
Now the X1 makes peoples jaws drop when you show them the OS.

I think it makes sense what Pachter says, because now the X1 is really gaining steam. If you have the X1 set up right with TV, USB device etc. it is just wonderful and actually the ONLY "Next-Gen" system there is, because it really makes media in your living room a better experience. PS4 is just a PS3 with better hardware.

Of course hardcore gamers who care about 1080p 60fps etc will get the PS4, but don't be surprised if X1 sells more overall when everything is said and done.
The number of features added by MS from 2013 to 2014 to this system is amazing, PS4 remained stagnant and had all those technical issues.

Really ? you think OS features is what the masses care about and that the PS4 is a better PS3 ? I think you're wrong.

I have both and to me the Xbox One OS while way better than when it launched, is still slow, un-snappy and hard to use for the average joe. I can point to many thing it does wrong but i don't want to go there as there have been tons of threads about it already.

I think with all the problems the PS4 had/has, the OS is still the easiest to use and understand. My wife can't use the Xbox One OS, she think there's too much text and couldn't find the settings tab. The PS4 OS on the other hand was easier to use because everything you need, you can see. Plus with the new update, 2.0, you can take control of someone else console and play, and PS Now service is damn impressive. When is MS thinking of doing something like this because i'd love it. The fact is, there's still patching the things that people loved about the 360.

 

[Birgitte2004]

Hilarious why?

I think a next gen gaming system that appeals to the "masses" (those are the ppl I am talking about and those ppl will decide which console gets sold more) is the one that gives "Joe Somebody" the most bang for the buck.
And "Joe" does not care about 1080/60 I promise you.

The claim that OS updates are going to be more in the public knowledge than the fact that graphics are worse is laughable.

As said, Joe somebody doesn't know about 1080/60. But they DO know that the PS4 is "more powerful", they just don't know what it means.

Most people who know enough tech to know what "DLNA" even is I assure you are tech-savvy enough to actually know what 1080p/60 is too.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

The claim that OS updates are going to be more in the public knowledge than the fact that graphics are worse is laughable.

As said, Joe somebody doesn't know about 1080/60. But they DO know that the PS4 is "more powerful", they just don't know what it means.

Most people who know enough tech to know what "DLNA" even is I assure you are tech-savvy enough to actually know what 1080p/60 is too.

Very true.
No system ever has been sold based on the OS.

 

[EBreda]

MS holiday lineup simply destroys PS4's, but somehow I know this won't be enough reason to sell more, because "gamers".

Just compare FH2, Sunset OD, Fable, Master Chief to Little Big Planet and Driveclub. Multiplats performing almost exactly the same (AC Parity for instance), and there you go.

Sony will still sell more. Hopefully MS will keep pushing games and make it 2015 another release heavy year. And hopefully Sony gets its act together.

 

[joey_bone_bomb]

Hilarious why?

I think a next gen gaming system that appeals to the "masses" (those are the ppl I am talking about and those ppl will decide which console gets sold more) is the one that gives "Joe Somebody" the most bang for the buck.
And "Joe" does not care about 1080/60 I promise you.

Joe is easily swayed by popular opinion and general trend, though, and both are clearly in favour of the PS4.

 

[eighty(one)]

The X1 OS on day 1 was bad compared to now. I was really worried that I bought the wrong console last year. Outside the US the TV-App wasn't supported at all.
Most apps were US only. Kinect was bad/slow.
Now the X1 makes peoples jaws drop when you show them the OS.

I think it makes sense what Pachter says, because now the X1 is really gaining steam. If you have the X1 set up right with TV, USB device etc. it is just wonderful and actually the ONLY "Next-Gen" system there is, because it really makes media in your living room a better experience. PS4 is just a PS3 with better hardware.

Of course hardcore gamers who care about 1080p 60fps etc will get the PS4, but don't be surprised if X1 sells more overall when everything is said and done.
The number of features added by MS from 2013 to 2014 to this system is amazing, PS4 remained stagnant and had all those technical issues.

Technical issues?

My PS4 hasn't (have 3) haven't had any technical issues:

Share button works, I can watch 3D BluRay, downloads are lightning fast, remote play works really well, can dim the lightbar, the camera works well, I can touchpad type with ease and I can play games while they download and install updates....

My buddy Ricky (GameStop Asst Manager) and I actually discuss the states of the systems (all) and have both been happy with PS4.

Soon there will be themes and other media functions.

I hope XBoxOne and WiiU gain momentum, they're great systems - but don't spread malarkey.

Basically, these are first and foremost gaming systems. If we are going into the nature of their true purpose, only one system runs games better than the other two.

The quality of each library is subjective.

 

[regenhuber88]

What are you talking about? they have no Bundesliga deal.

this

http://www.computerbild.de/artikel/cbs-News-Xbox-One-BUNDESLIGA-bei-BILD-Fussball-App-10881225.html

its like NFL NOW, you can watch game highlights and stuff, BILD is the biggest German Newspaper and promotes this app accordingly. Oh and the Bundesliga is like NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL and Nascar combined in popularity for germans.

This app is not on Ps4.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

MS holiday lineup simply destroys PS4's, but somehow I know this won't be enough reason to sell more, because "gamers".

Just compare FH2, Sunset OD, Fable, Master Chief to Little Big Planet and Driveclub. Multiplats performing almost exactly the same (AC Parity for instance), and there you go.

Sony will still sell more. Hopefully MS will keep pushing games and make it 2015 another release heavy year. And hopefully Sony gets its act together.

Yeah after I finish Destiny and DriveClub its pretty much X1 all the way up until Bloodborne, Witcher 3.

 

[VRMN]

LOL. I just typed Halo in my browser to see when MCC comes out, I got this;
http://halo.bungie.net

It's worth looking at purely for the tab name; Bungie.net Satisfying your mom since 1991. How does typing Halo still take me there, and specifically an ad that puts down Halo? I'm more confident in your bets now.

Searching for Halo on both Google and (of course) Bing brings a first result of Xbox.com/halo. Second result is the Waypoint site. I suspect you're running into history/bookmarks with that suggested URL.

 

[Xando]

this

http://www.computerbild.de/artikel/cbs-News-Xbox-One-BUNDESLIGA-bei-BILD-Fussball-App-10881225.html

its like NFL NOW, you can watch game highlights and stuff, BILD is the biggest German Newspaper and promotes this app accordingly. Oh and the Bundesliga is like NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL and Nascar combined in popularity for germans.

This app is not on Ps4.

Bullshit, thats like saying 3 minutes NFL videos will sell the XB1 in the US.

btw. You can watch these 3 minute videos via PS4 browser aswell.

 

[Patroclos]

Searching for Halo on both Google and (of course) Bing brings a first result of Xbox.com/halo. Second result is the Waypoint site. I suspect you're running into history/bookmarks with that suggested URL.

Ahhhh. That was it. Thanks. I thought that was very strange.

 

[Subitai]

i wish i got paid to spout BS like him

That isn't what he is paid to do.

 

[B.O.O.M]

MS holiday lineup simply destroys PS4's, but somehow I know this won't be enough reason to sell more, because "gamers".

Just compare FH2, Sunset OD, Fable, Master Chief to Little Big Planet and Driveclub. Multiplats performing almost exactly the same (AC Parity for instance), and there you go.

Sony will still sell more. Hopefully MS will keep pushing games and make it 2015 another release heavy year. And hopefully Sony gets its act together.

Fable isn't out this holidays afaik....if it is I guess I missed the news so correct me if I'm wrong

So without that MS has one extra game (MCC) and overall worse performing multiplats (1-2 are the exceptions to the rule.heck even Unity might not perform equally, we shall see once DF comparison comes out)....

You're right..what destruction >_>

ps: and at some points the few of you who are having a go at those who don't prefer the console of your choice, need to stop and think how stupid your attitude really is. 'Gamers' will choose and play whatever the hell they like..preferences isn't a hard concept to understand

 

[On Demand]

MS holiday lineup simply destroys PS4's, but somehow I know this won't be enough reason to sell more, because "gamers".

Just compare FH2, Sunset OD, Fable, Master Chief to Little Big Planet and Driveclub. Multiplats performing almost exactly the same (AC Parity for instance), and there you go.

Sony will still sell more. Hopefully MS will keep pushing games and make it 2015 another release heavy year. And hopefully Sony gets its act together.

I wouldn't say it destroys PS4's. The only game that interest me SO. I honesty don't think any of those games make the PS4 look bad. I think people are putting to much faith in a remaster also.

3rd party games will carry the PS4 through the holidays just fine. Parity or not, it's 3rd party games that always sell the most and they're all on PS4 too.

 

[kazinova]

MS holiday lineup simply destroys PS4's, but somehow I know this won't be enough reason to sell more, because "gamers".

Just compare FH2, Sunset OD, Fable, Master Chief to Little Big Planet and Driveclub. Multiplats performing almost exactly the same (AC Parity for instance), and there you go.

Sony will still sell more. Hopefully MS will keep pushing games and make it 2015 another release heavy year. And hopefully Sony gets its act together.

A friend just asked which system he should buy and I almost spat out PS4 as a kneejerk reaction, but then I thought about all the games I'm buying for the rest of the year:
Fantasia, Sunset Overdrive, MCC, playing the Fable beta (which might not be any good), Ori and the Blind Forest...

Well, I didn't know what to tell him, he'd love Sunset Overdrive, and he'd definitely love Bloodborne. So I told him neither. It doesn't seem like much but that's a vast improvement for Microsoft. It's no longer a no-brainer for the average consumer.

They'll ask their gamer friends what to buy and unless that gamer is a console-warrior they'll have a hard time recommending one over the other until we know more fully what 2015 looks like.

 

[Ricky_R]

A friend just asked which system he should buy and I almost spat out PS4 as a kneejerk reaction, but then I thought about all the games I'm buying for the rest of the year:
Fantasia, Sunset Overdrive, MCC, playing the Fable beta (which might not be any good), Ori and the Blind Forest...

Well, I didn't know what to tell him, he'd love Sunset Overdrive, and he'd definitely love Bloodborne. So I told him neither. It doesn't seem like much but that's a vast improvement for Microsoft. It's no longer a no-brainer for the average consumer.

They'll ask their gamer friends what to buy and unless that gamer is a console-warrior they'll have a hard time recommending one over the other until we know more fully what 2015 looks like.

You should inform him that with the PS4 he will get better performing/looking multiplatforms the majority of the time. Unless he already knows.