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[AdventureRacing]

Won't happen. Still glad Pachter made the prediction as it has been a fun few time reading through this thread. It's probably bigger than a lot of NPD threads at this point so you can only imagine what would happen if the prediction was actually true.

 

[binarymelon]

Really?

http://us.playstation.com/support/systemupdates/ps4/history/index.htm

That entire page pretty much boils down to ShareFactory and 3D Blu-ray (which should have been available at launch).

Edit: Oh and wireless headsets (also should have been available at launch)

 

[CozMick]

Aaand we are back to the OS warz... I'm just going to quote my unimportant opinion about this matter.

I guess I'm a simple minded person for not caring about the OS at all, extra stuff is fine and cool but it's not the defining factor for using a console over the other.

Microsofts backtracking since launch confirms this.

 

[iceatcs]

Summing up everything people have said throughout this thread:

• Free game with purchase of Xbox One
• Destiny was also on Xbox One, so it being on PS4 wasn't that big of a deal.
• Xbox One has the best exclusives and deserves to win a month
• PS4 has no games
• Halo

Don't forget the firmware. Lol. Remind me of last gen.

 

[Maxxan]

Pach's on crack!

Spoiler

He's actually pretty clever. This gives him tons of free publicity, and if by some miracle the Xbox One outsells the PS4, then he'll become a god among men

 

[Impeccable]

Microsoft needs to put "best OS on consoles with monthly updates to it!" On the console box in the stores, that is the day they turn the tides.

 

[Majmun]

Summing up everything people have said throughout this thread:

• Free game with purchase of Xbox One
• Destiny was also on Xbox One, so it being on PS4 wasn't that big of a deal.
• Xbox One has the best exclusives and deserves to win a month
• PS4 has no games
• Halo

So basically the same arguments that were used during march when Titanfall was actually Xbox One exclusive, and not multiplatform like Destiny.

We know how that turned out.

 

[FeiRR]

Summing up everything people have said throughout this thread:

• Free game with purchase of Xbox One
• Destiny was also on Xbox One, so it being on PS4 wasn't that big of a deal.
• Xbox One has the best exclusives and deserves to win a month
• PS4 has no games
• Halo

You forgot "PSN is a joke".

 

[Pancakes R Us]

Has anyone seen Pachter's past NPD predictions and how wrong the numbers have been? Exactly. Sony fanboys: please calm down.

I would love for Pachter to be right on this occasion though, because that means...epic meltdowns! And we all know that there's no meltdown like a GAF meltdown.

 

[BotoxAgent]

I don't believe the XB1 beat the PS4 in September, but I agree with just about everything else you said. There are a lot of people that decided a while ago the XB1 was unacceptable to them, and they refuse to acknowledge just how much Microsoft has gotten right this year. It's a pretty stunning turnaround in terms of being an owner of the console.



This post reads exactly like someone who tried the console briefly earlier this year. The monthly updates have improved so much.

X1 is still a weaker console. And the PS4 got a lot right the first time around, so no backtracking required.

 

[ICPEE]

Pachter said FUSE would sell 5 million copies.

Anyone can do his job.

and i'm surprised anyone takes Pachter seriously. The man is a joke.

 

[SaucyJack]

That entire page pretty much boils down to ShareFactory and 3D Blu-ray (which should have been available at launch).

Edit: Oh and wireless headsets (also should have been available at launch)

OK. I was responding to a post that said that Sony hadn't done one decent update since launch and you've immediately highlighted 3 things.

How many of the things that Xbox has added should have been available at launch?

Anyway, MS are doing a good job of improving the XB firmware and should be applauded for the approach they've taken. I don't really think that anyone is saying otherwise. But it's hardly a major selling point when the PS is also being supported (although the communications aren't great) and was more functional from the outset.

 

[HIR0]

Summing up everything people have said throughout this thread:

• Free game with purchase of Xbox One
• Destiny was also on Xbox One, so it being on PS4 wasn't that big of a deal.
• Xbox One has the best exclusives and deserves to win a month
• PS4 has no games
• Halo

You also forgot Sonygaf and firmware updates.

 

[Stardust_Comet]

I love how apparently the PS4 has no games on it is considered a legit argument.

I mean, look at all those people who've purchased a PS4. What suckers. They've bought something made to specifically play video games on, but they can't even use it because not a single gaming company made a single game that can be played on the PS4. It's a real tragedy! PS4 owners don't even get spend all those long hours sitting in front of the TV playing a game with a video game console.

 

[In Service]

Won't happen. Still glad Pachter made the prediction as it has been a fun few time reading through this thread. It's probably bigger than a lot of NPD threads at this point so you can only imagine what would happen if the prediction was actually true.

I was just about to post this.

Whilst I have no idea whether he's right or wrong the majority on here seem to go with the latter.

I would love it, just love it (reference for UK Soccer Fans only) if XBox beat the PS4 though.

This thread would explode. Little chance though?

 

[ICPEE]

I love how apparently the PS4 has no games on it is considered a legit argument.

I mean, look at all those people who've purchased a PS4. What suckers. They've bought something made to specifically play video games on, but they can't even use it because not a single gaming company made a single game that can be played on the PS4. It's a real tragedy! PS4 owners don't even get spend all those long hours sitting in front of the TV playing a game with a video game console.

 

[Stardust_Comet]

Oh wow, I didn't even know the PS4 had pushed out more games each month than XBone (granted, I was really only following the games I'm personally interested in anyway). But thank you for proving the "no games" argument to be silly.

 

[Soulrak]

Is there even a valid argument on why the Xbox One would outsell the Ps4 in september?

I haven't read any so far.

There's been quite a few. But Pachter anticipates that the Xbox One outsold the PS4 in the US based on their great free game deal when Destiny released. Which, if you played your cards right became 2 free games if you purchased the Madden bundle or Kinect bundle with Forza 5. A much sweeter deal than the PS4 Destiny bundle which was $50 more .

All that makes sense, but it all means nothing if they didn't actually win the month.

 

[quetz67]

I know Amazon is no reliable indicator, but as long as it is not a complete counter indicator the prediction is insane.

Not only did two PS4 SKUs sell better than the only XB1 SKU in the Top 100 but also did the Destiny Bundle sell more units in 3 days than the XB1 Titanfall bundle did LTD.

There's been quite a few. But Pachter anticipates that the Xbox One outsold the PS4 in the US based on their great free game deal when Destiny released. Which, if you played your cards right became 2 free games if you purchased the Madden bundle or Kinect bundle with Forza 5. A much sweeter deal than the PS4 Destiny bundle which was $50 more.

Was that deal on Amazon too? If it was such a successful deal shouldn't it reflect at least a little in Amazon sales ranks?

 

[Ultimatum]

the no games argument is silly because neither console has any games

 

[Fady K]

Thanks for this. The "no games" argument or Xbox One has far more games argument was very inaccurate. Xbox One does have the one big exclusive in the form of Sunset Overdrive. That is the one area where I feel PS4 has no equal for the fall lineup. Q1 2015 lineup is sweet though!

 

[Memorabilia]

I own a couple of each new gen console, have been a vocal critic of MS's brain-dead launch & tone-deaf PR response as well as a vocal cheerleader for Sony doing and saying all the right things. And the PS4 is, as we all know, significantly more powerful when that potential is tapped.

But, with all that said, MS has done a lot right the past few months. People in here are joking about firmware/OS updates as if they don't matter. But, the bottom line is as of right now if I'm being totally objective I much prefer the UI ergonomics of my Xbones (with or without Kinect) vs the PS4. Functionality is also better, one example that's huge for me is thumb drive movie playback has been enabled on Xbone. I view this as a game-changer for a lot of users. When .mkv compatibility and a native PLEX app are added soon my Xbones will fully replace my PS3's as my primary media centers. This may not seem like a big deal to some, but to me these are huge features that are still inexplicably missing from PS4. Beyond this, the PS4 UI's way of organizing games into an "endless horizontal scroll" is already becoming far too unwieldy, even though so far Ive only installed a handful of disc based games along with a myriad of (mostly take em or leave em) PS+ titles.

Sony won the launch without question due to MS's design choices (forced Kinect at the expense of better hardware), anti-consumer DRM stance and the series of baffling PR fuck-ups, all of which will be taught in business schools as how NOT to launch a new product.

But since then its been Microsoft on the offensive, improving their OS (more important than many here will admit), pushing exclusives people want to play (taking nothing away from PS4's future lineup which thankfully will improve as well), and delivering the same high speed, reliable, socially conducive online network that PSN still hasn't matched thus far despite switching to a pay model.

So do I think Pachter is right in his prognostications for September? Probably not. But MS does deserve some credit under Phil for at least trying to make up for Mattrick's group shitting the bed so badly. Yeah MS had to do a series of 180s while PS4 got it mostly right from the start. But, while I do love my PS4s for their potential and at first really only tolerated my Xbones, the tide has turned a bit for now. I'm glad to see it if only because Sony needs the competition to stay actively pro-consumer.

 

[ICPEE]

Oh wow, I didn't even know the PS4 had pushed out more games each month than XBone (granted, I was really only following the games I'm personally interested in anyway). But thank you for proving the "no games" argument to be silly.

To be honest, i don't know why its always raised as an issue when clearly it's not.

Thanks for this. The "no games" argument or Xbox One has far more games argument was very inaccurate. Xbox One does have the one big exclusive in the form of Sunset Overdrive. That is the one area where I feel PS4 has no equal for the fall lineup. Q1 2015 lineup is sweet though!

Yes Xbox One has Sunset Overdrive and The Master Chief Collection (which is extremely good value for money) on the horizon. Xbox One definately has an advantage with these two over the PS4.

 

[Donos]

We reached the listwars stage. Thread is nearing its end...

 

[Stardust_Comet]

To be honest, i don't know why its always raised as an issue when clearly it's not.

I have no idea either. I just thought it was such a stupid argument though. They're both created to play games so naturally there are games for both consoles.

 

[Amentallica]

Oh wow, I didn't even know the PS4 had pushed out more games each month than XBone (granted, I was really only following the games I'm personally interested in anyway). But thank you for proving the "no games" argument to be silly.

That list had to be shown to you for you to know that there were games on the platform?

 

[Ray Wonder]

Don't we get the NPD report tomorrow on the sales numbers?

 

[Jrs3000]

Don't we get the NPD report tomorrow on the sales numbers?

Yes tomorrow afternoon. It's going to be a blood bath when those drop right or wrong.

 

[Lemondish]

Oh well yes indeed, but it looks like to me a lot of people get too involved and almost emotional when it comes to things like sales on games forums.

Ignoring trends and, you know, common sense... just seems to me like Microsoft have been serving a better meal than Sony and it should be perfectly fine if NOT make sense that the XO would outsell the PS4 as a result.

That's entirely subjective as I, and the market, seem to disagree.

 

[Memorabilia]

I have no idea either. I just thought it was such a stupid argument though. They're both created to play games so naturally there are games for both consoles.

The games question is subjective. For me, PS4 has been the better SP console (Second Son, TLoU) while Xbone has been the MP console (Titanfall). I could argue both systems have had an extended game "drought" since outside of those games not many others have appealed to me other than, say, Outlast or Wolfenstein. Others have been buggy disasters and/or not lived up to the hype (BF4, Watch Dogs, Destiny). My backlog on PS360 helps me not really care too much, so for now the slow trickle of games I actually want to play on new Gen is fine by me.

 

[Jack cw]

We reached the listwars stage. Thread is nearing it's end...

This thread was going to end in a bit more than 24 hours anyway.

 

[Stardust_Comet]

That list had to be shown to you for you to know that there were games on the platform?

I was being sarcastic in my original comment because on the last page, a few people said the PS4 had no games. I simply just didn't know the PS4 had more games.

The games question is subjective. For me, PS4 has been the better SP console (Second Son, TLoU) while Xbone has been the MP console (Titanfall). I could argue both systems have had an extended game "drought" since outside of those games not many others have appealed to me other than, say, Outlast or Wolfenstein. Others have been buggy disasters and/or not lived up to the hype (BF4, Watch Dogs, Destiny). My backlog on PS360 helps me not really care too much, so for now the slow trickle of games I actually want to play on new Gen is fine by me.

The "better exclusives" may be subjective but using the argument "there are no games for the PS4" is just lying. Of course there are games for it, but it doesn't necessarily mean you'll like them.

 

[Lemondish]

I love how apparently the PS4 has no games on it is considered a legit argument.

I mean, look at all those people who've purchased a PS4. What suckers. They've bought something made to specifically play video games on, but they can't even use it because not a single gaming company made a single game that can be played on the PS4. It's a real tragedy! PS4 owners don't even get spend all those long hours sitting in front of the TV playing a game with a video game console.

It's also as factually incorrect as you can get considering it has many more games available on it than the Xbox One.

So if the PS4 has no games...does that mean the Xbone has negative games?

 

[Lemondish]

Thanks for this. The "no games" argument or Xbox One has far more games argument was very inaccurate. Xbox One does have the one big exclusive in the form of Sunset Overdrive. That is the one area where I feel PS4 has no equal for the fall lineup. Q1 2015 lineup is sweet though!

That depends on your tastes. While it's also on PS3, LBP3 is looking awesome.

 

[cyberheater]

Don't know. We would have heard a lot of buzz from Mehdi, Spencer et al if they were really leading this month.

Good point. Hmmm...

 

[Stardust_Comet]

It's also as factually incorrect as you can get considering it has many more games available on it than the Xbox One.

So if the PS4 has no games...does that mean the Xbone has negative games?

This is exactly it. I get it people saying "I don't like any games on the PS4" but come on, there are no games for it at all? That's just illogical. What's the point of creating a gaming console if it has no games for it anywhere?

 

[Memorabilia]

It's also as factually incorrect as you can get considering it has many more games available on it than the Xbox One.

So if the PS4 has no games...does that mean the Xbone has negative games?

I think what matters is if each console's games lineup appeals to someone, not the sheer number of games.

 

[BriGuy]

Microsoft needs to put "best OS on consoles with monthly updates to it!" On the console box in the stores, that is the day they turn the tides.

Yeah. I mean having monthly OS updates is nice and everything, but it's not like interacting with the Xbone is straight out of Minority Report whereas you need a hand crank, pulleys and levers to navigate through the PS4's user interface. They both do what they need to do.

And honestly, if the crux of your argument is "b-b-but it has a better OS!" you've already lost me. I don't care. I just need the machine to run the games I put in the disc drive or install on it. Everything else is fluff.

 

[Memorabilia]

I was being sarcastic in my original comment because on the last page, a few people said the PS4 had no games. I simply just didn't know the PS4 had more games.



The "better exclusives" may be subjective but using the argument "there are no games for the PS4" is just lying. Of course there are games for it, but it doesn't necessarily mean you'll like them.

Totally agree. Though, to be fair, I think some people who use the "there are no games on PS4" argument are using that because they lack the ability to articulate their point more clearly. Most would probably agree that a better way to phrase it would be "PS4 doesn't have the kinds of games right now that appeal to me, while Xbone does". On the other hand, there's probably quite a few who use that argument who are just being obtuse.

 

[LowerLevel]

and i'm surprised anyone takes Pachter seriously. The man is a joke.

And, yet, we have 24 pages/over 2200 posts...

 

[Memorabilia]

Yeah. I mean having monthly OS updates is nice and everything, but it's not like interacting with the Xbone is straight out of Minority Report whereas you need a hand crank, pulleys and levers to navigate through the PS4's user interface. They both do what they need to do.

And honestly, if the crux of your argument is "b-b-but it has a better OS!" you've already lost me. I don't care. I just need the machine to run the games I put in the disc drive or install on it. Everything else is fluff.

Lol Good point. Both OSes have their pluses and minuses. Neither one will read your mind or tell you a bedtime story...and neither one is exactly "excruciatingly difficult" to use. Overall, however, MS has upped their game a bit and I find the UI better overall for navigating games as well as having some features (thumb drive movie playback being the big one) that PS4 is still missing. EDIT: Sony could fix both of these issues easily, so its a bit of a head scratcher why we don't have a better way to organize games yet (folders, anyone?) and/or thumb drive movie support.

 

[BruiserBear]

X1 is still a weaker console. And the PS4 got a lot right the first time around, so no backtracking required.

Nothing you just said refutes anything I said. The positives being discussed about the XB1 here don't revolve around backtracking on anything. They involve an OS that is growing by leaps and bounds. This isn't something people can have a full grasp of unless they're actually a user of the device. The games aspect is a preference thing, but if you're going purely by metacritic scores the XB1 is gonna have an advantage there when it comes to the bigger releases.

We reached the listwars stage. Thread is nearing it's end...

haha

 

[Stardust_Comet]

Totally agree. Though, to be fair, I think some people who use the "there are no games on PS4" argument are using that because they lack the ability to articulate their point more clearly. Most would probably agree that a better way to phrase it would be "PS4 doesn't have the kinds of games right now that appeal to me, while Xbone does". On the other hand, there's probably quite a few who use that argument who are just being obtuse.

I think the latter was true for most. I'm sure some of the earlier commenters meant it as "there's no games I like for this console" but it later on turned into a sort of "legit" reason for why the XBone was better than the PS4 and I thought it was such a ridiculous argument that I couldn't help but to start laughing about it.

 

[ICPEE]

I think what matters is if each console's games lineup appeals to someone, not the sheer number of games.

The bigger the variety of games on offer, the more chances there are of something appealing to you. So a sheer number of games is good.

 

[ICPEE]

And, yet, we have 24 pages/over 2200 posts...

Summing up everything people have said throughout this thread:

• Free game with purchase of Xbox One
• Destiny was also on Xbox One, so it being on PS4 wasn't that big of a deal.
• Xbox One has the best exclusives and deserves to win a month
• PS4 has no games
• Halo

Pretty accurate summary.

*EDIT: Sorry for double post

 

[Ricky_R]

Summing up everything people have said throughout this thread:

• Free game with purchase of Xbox One
• Destiny was also on Xbox One, so it being on PS4 wasn't that big of a deal.
• Xbox One has the best exclusives and deserves to win a month
• PS4 has no games
• Halo
• Wishful thinking

You forgot one.

 

[kyser73]

I own a couple of each new gen console, have been a vocal critic of MS's brain-dead launch & tone-deaf PR response as well as a vocal cheerleader for Sony doing and saying all the right things. And the PS4 is, as we all know, significantly more powerful when that potential is tapped.

But, with all that said, MS has done a lot right the past few months. People in here are joking about firmware/OS updates as if they don't matter. But, the bottom line is as of right now if I'm being totally objective I much prefer the UI ergonomics of my Xbones (with or without Kinect) vs the PS4. Functionality is also better, one example that's huge for me is thumb drive movie playback has been enabled on Xbone. I view this as a game-changer for a lot of users. When .mkv compatibility and a native PLEX app are added soon my Xbones will fully replace my PS3's as my primary media centers. This may not seem like a big deal to some, but to me these are huge features that are still inexplicably missing from PS4. Beyond this, the PS4 UI's way of organizing games into an "endless horizontal scroll" is already becoming far too unwieldy, even though so far Ive only installed a handful of disc based games along with a myriad of (mostly take em or leave em) PS+ titles.

Sony won the launch without question due to MS's design choices (forced Kinect at the expense of better hardware), anti-consumer DRM stance and the series of baffling PR fuck-ups, all of which will be taught in business schools as how NOT to launch a new product.

But since then its been Microsoft on the offensive, improving their OS (more important than many here will admit), pushing exclusives people want to play (taking nothing away from PS4's future lineup which thankfully will improve as well), and delivering the same high speed, reliable, socially conducive online network that PSN still hasn't matched thus far despite switching to a pay model.

So do I think Pachter is right in his prognostications for September? Probably not. But MS does deserve some credit under Phil for at least trying to make up for Mattrick's group shitting the bed so badly. Yeah MS had to do a series of 180s while PS4 got it mostly right from the start. But, while I do love my PS4s for their potential and at first really only tolerated my Xbones, the tide has turned a bit for now. I'm glad to see it if only because Sony needs the competition to stay actively pro-consumer.

That first bold for me means little as my TV has USB playback.I just select whichever one of the 4 USB drives I've got attached (3 on a USB bridge & a 1TB) from my TV, which also means I don't have to have additional hardware running while I do so.

The second bit...well, that's pretty subjective. I've got about 15 titles in total, and I don't find it unwieldy since it organises them in last accessed order, and it takes all of about 3 seconds to scroll from one end to the other if I *really* need to look up War Thunder, and if I put the disc for a game in (say TRE) it jumps to the front.

I can see why some people might think the barebones isn't good, but I don't especially like lots of bells & whistles in an OS.

 

[Stardust_Comet]

Pretty accurate summary.

I know the summary was only about the talk of why XBone was better than the PS4, but they forgot the 20-ish pages before that where we were "Pachter is a hack, why does he still have a job when he never predicts anything right?"

 

[Memorabilia]

The bigger the variety of games on offer, the more chances there are of something appealing to you. So a sheer number of games is good.

Well, yeah, but doesn't that kind of go without saying? I wasn't implying otherwise. And despite us agreeing on this fact, there's still a good chance that the exclusive lineup of a console will appeal more to someone even if its lineup is smaller. In that sense, perceived (subjective) quality is just as important as quantity.

 

[Donos]

You forgot one.

WOM™?