Cosplayer being labeled ‘Racist’ for her blackface Michonne From ‘The Walking Dead'

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OT: dressing up as Cpt America, or Iron Man is a different league than Michonne. These are two well known characters from popular comics and movies, the other is a popular character from a TV show not everyone watches. The example of the caucasian Michonne doesn't really apply, because she's carrying two zombie-cosplayers with her. Without the two zombies, she'd be a white girl in rags rocking dreads. Maybe this German chick doesn't have friends who like to be chained up and dragged around all night?

Comic book characters are less popular than tv characters.

Comic book characters have more distinguished looks than real people.
 
So, are white Star Trek fans who dress up as Klingon at conventions, racist?

Was I racist for dressing up as Tuvok from Star Trek: Voyager when I was a kid? Tell you this, Tim Russ laughed his ass off when I had him sign a picture of me in the costume.
 
Also this just came to mind, isn't it weird to be portraying a character that's originally black to suddenly be white like many are claiming? Isn't that like washing away the fact that she's black? This might not be a totally fair comparison but I remember when that dragonball Z movie came out and they casted a white character instead of an asian character there was a big outcry.
 
If a person doesnt watch the show, they arent going to get the costume anyway, so what does blackening the skin do? Her costume is distinctive that anyone whos a fan will recognize who she is regardless of skin color
If I understand it correctly is cosplay a bit more than just a halloween costume where it's all good as long as someone recognizes who you're dressed up as. The goal is to get as close to the original as possible.
 
How come this only any issue for black character? No one ta[es their eyes for asian characters?

This is just my take, but I think it's about the need to be understood. These levels of double-standards where certain things apply to some races, religions and sub cultures are funneled in an emotional state of being as well as a cry for change.


An example.
I've had a few dozen run-ins with middle eastern aquintences who hate Jews. Not people from Israel, but outlive the Jews are greedy, eat children, run the world, made up lies about the Holocaust.
When I have talked to people who are denying or downplaying the Holocaust - If I get into a debate about facts, and hypothetical scenarios and semantic argumentation, things rarely get resolved. My view doesn't change, their view doesn't change. It's just stuck in a quagmire.



However, recently I have just been listening to them without counter-argumenting, and the results have been phenomenal. In the 4 times where I have done this, every single time, the person has done a 180' and sort of brought themselves back to a self-realization that their personal situation is shit, and their bleak outlook on life and getting upset over things that are out of their control.
It became more about the fact that the situation is shit in the middle-east and that the middle-east was heavily ignored post-WW2 where few people talk about their casualties. Their hatred and bigotry seemed to be channeled through jealousy. Perhaps a justified sense of jealousy in that things are shit because of what happened in the past, and here is this neighborer who is doing much better than you. Suddenly to make sense of all this history and geo-political climate, it's simply becomes easier to blame the people who have, when you're the one who haven't.
One of them said this. "I wouldn't be so angry with them if things weren't as fucked in my country".


It's a powerful realization for me.
Because that's how I am too. Not with religion, race or ethnicity, but I start blaming everything when my life is shit too. And I get beat up over shit I can't possible change. There is a satisfaction or sense of release to point fingers at something else. Like the state, or culture, or someone who has wrongfully done something to you. You know you're the underdog and your cause is just.

It makes me go "a-ha" when you know they are just saying; "everything is falling apart in my community. the police is corrupt. we go to jail 10x times the amount of most other peoples. we have no options. we cant get out. we are stuck".

Then suddenly it becomes much easier to see why people need to "vent". I used to think of this as complaining, complaining, complaining, but now I see it as venting frustration.
Complaining is when you sweat the small stuff. "fuck these postcards at Wallmart", but when it comes to feeling ignored, left out and out of option, and the reason for it being, is the color of your skin, the religion forced on your upbringing or the sexuality which you have, it tends also be the only choice you have to be heard.


For me personally, that is empowering. Because my personal life motto is basically "Intent is king". If OP's cosplay lady made a blackface character to ridicule or make fun or mock, then it's insensitive and possible racist.
If it's a serious cosplay that honors a character trying to look the way it looks in real life(or in the tv show) then it's not racist. It can't possible be.
However, for me to argue is INTENT IS KING INTENT IS KING INTENT IS KING, over and over, has simply brought me no closer to understanding, or feeling like that my view is being understood and absorbed in a way which I would like.
For me, censorship is the ultimate fear. Fear of censorship is big on GAF in so many of these threads, and when we see news stories where people redraw statements, companies fire individuals and peoples lives gets ruined, sometimes over insignificant and/or minor controversies, I think the fear of censorship grows.

Which just brings me back to a powerful realization that it's much more about being understood and talking about these issues which just don't go away. One might say, that cosplay shouldn't be held hostage in a discussion the current standings and trends of black people and their rights America, but it is in their right to speak off.
And I think this right applies to everything. Women and sexuality in video games, transgendered people taking offense over crossdressing comedies, rape jokes, if it's okay to use the word faggot and gay, and all these other things we discuss so much on GAF.

We're always either you're an insensitive prick who can't possible understand X and Y" or "this outcry is the first step for the removal/banning/prosecution of people who look at this differently".

So we get stuck. I get stuck in between, because I feel on the side of the first group of people. If cosplaying as black people makes some people upset, its easy to cosplay as all the other people you can. It's like going to a party at your parents house. Some people will find your dirty joke funny, but most of them won't, so better not tell it publicly. I understand this logic to things. If some people thing faggot is unacceptable, regardless of its origins and all that semantic argument-style of rhetorics, fine. Let's use something else. We get plenty of words we can use to convey whatever we want.

But on the other hand, there is within me this fear of being restrained, censored, told what to do, that goes in a slippery slope until I can't say what I want or feel without being prosecuted. Not words out of hatred, or even insults, but just the unpopular opinion.
I think it's so vital to my way of being for me to offended, as almost all my personal growth came from a place of being offended and checking my own bullshit.
"ohh I see. The fact I got angry at that thing, that person or what was being said.. it was just my emotions catcalling me".
But my sense of being offended to check myself, has little to do with how other people get offended.

That has been something I had not given enough credence to in my time here on GAF. It never occured to me, that people get offended in different ways and feels different about it. I was not open up to the possibility that someone being offended over something can be so traumatic they want to go home and kill themselves.
I know it sounds arbitary, but can you imagine the clusterfuck in communication when being offended to me, almost always ends up making me enlightened?






TL,DR; I rant about how fear of censorship that arises when news stories come out about people losing their jobs and ruining their lives over something they sai
 
Damn, that's really good. I don't think I could tell with a quick glance if no one told me.
 
"n*gger" was not always a racist term, and at times was only used to refer to all black people. It's the history behind it that makes it offensive. Surprising to you or not there are countries that don't know about the offense and just here it as "n*gga" in music and will refer to friends that way. I can't fault those people for doing it, but I can fault them if they keep saying it after learning that it's offensive. Yes the problem is the past, but due to the connotation of it it's just as offensive as saying "n*gger" or an other racial slur.

Let me put it this way, only a few small exceptions blackface is always offensive. Just like saying a racial slur or multiple other culturally insensitive things.

What are the exceptions?
 
So, are white Star Trek fans who dress up as Klingon at conventions, racist?

Was I racist for dressing up as Tuvok from Star Trek: Voyager?

I don't think this is racist but I pretty clearly think the distinction is that Klingon is a fictional race, pretty big difference in the context of cultural sensitivity.
 
I can see where people have a problem with what the cosplayer did. Especially people from the US. That being said, I'm actually offended by people labeling her a racist. By throwing the word "racist" around like this people are making the word weak and meaningless. Also anyone calling this "black face" should probably look up what that actually is.
No one called her a racist though people did however say what she did (blackface) is. What she did and who she is are entirely different conversations and were discussing the former in this thread.
 
Also this just came to mind, isn't it weird to be portraying a character that's originally black to suddenly be white like many are claiming? Isn't that like washing away the fact that she's black? This might not be a totally fair comparison but I remember when that dragonball Z movie came out and they casted a white character instead of an asian character there was a big outcry.

I guarantee there would have been more of an outcry if they cast a white character made up to look Asian.
 
Also this just came to mind, isn't it weird to be portraying a character that's originally black to suddenly be white like many are claiming? Isn't that like washing away the fact that she's black? This might not be a totally fair comparison but I remember when that dragonball Z movie came out and they casted a white character instead of an asian character there was a big outcry.

There's a difference between turning a character that has been traditionally portrayed as Asian for a few decades into a white guy in the big-screen adaptation (although Goku is an alien anyway so whatever), and a private citizen dressing up as a character for fun.
 
Finding black people okay with something doesn't discount something from being offensive when the vast majority of black people wouldn't be okay with it. I have no doubt that you can find some black people to say "eh we don't mind."

All of the defenses of this costume are brought to you by the Dan Snyder School of Deflection.
 
I don't see why it is racist. She's not mocking the character, she actually has some really good makeup talent and admiration for the character, she wants to be like her. That beth one is really good too.
 
Finding black people okay with something doesn't discount something from being offensive when the vast majority of black people wouldn't be okay with it. I have no doubt that you can find some black people to say "eh we don't mind."
The interesting thing from his account is that the people in question aren't American and as such don't have the same view as Americans on blackface despite being black.
 
Why isn't this blackface?

This is blackface. It is a disgusting and malicious mockery of black people that renders them to witless caricatures and stereotypes.
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This is what I call just being a dedicated fan.
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It's not the first time she's cosplayed as TWD character either. She clearly tries her best to match the characters as closely as possible.
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If I accidentally step on your foot, does the fact that I didn't mean to make it not hurt? So why is it that you think some blackface is magically not racist?
 
And remember it is (generally) okay to dress as easily recognized as characters or individuals (e.g. mulan, obama) but that it is unnecessary to change skin tone to do so.

Why is it only "generally" ok to dress up as easily recognized minority characters. Also yes or no: is the cosplay in the OP racist?

With respect to the tumblr posts on blackface, surely you recognize not a single point relates to that cosplay.

(I'm black.)
 
This is blackface. It is a disgusting and malicious mockery of black people that renders them to witless caricatures and stereotypes.
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This is what I call just being a dedicated fan.
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It's not the first time she's cosplayed as TWD character either. She clearly tries her best to match the characters as closely as possible.
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Exactly. How folks can confuse the two is beyond me.
 
This is blackface. It is a disgusting and malicious mockery of black people that renders them to witless caricatures and stereotypes.
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This is what I call just being a dedicated fan.
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It's not the first time she's cosplayed as TWD character either. She clearly tries her best to match the characters as closely as possible.
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That nose is a characature, especially when it looks nothing like the actress nose. It looks like a round bantu stereotype nose.
 
If I accidentally step on your foot, does the fact that I didn't mean to make it not hurt? So why is it that you think some blackface is magically not racist?

Well then the question here is do most black people find this particular image offensive?

We already have plenty of disparaging opinions here on GAF so to try and claim this is clear-cut racism or definitely not racism doesn't make much sense. This is very much a grey area.
 
This is blackface. It is a disgusting and malicious mockery of black people that renders them to witless caricatures and stereotypes.
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This is what I call just being a dedicated fan.
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It's not the first time she's cosplayed as TWD character either. She clearly tries her best to match the characters as closely as possible.
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This post nails why this isnt racist IMO
 
Europe has such an history of racism that it is crazy to peg America as more racist, specially given how europe exported theirs to a whole another continent.

Racism in America is one of its defining issues, a huge part of its history and a major topic still in the country.


Not so in Europe, yes colonial powers invaded Africa and fucked it over, but it is not a defining aspect of their history, just part of it.

Also many of those nations just fucked over anyone they could, my own country has a history of over a thousand years of being invaded, language and culture attacked and purposefully attempted to be eradicated the nations capital city has some of its original foundings as a slave port to export the people of the country all over Europe, even made illegal to own land in our own country try too.

Same thing in India, Asia, South America..... the motivation was never race, just territory and resources.... even if that meant land and people.
 
She could have workshopped that nose a little bit more. The nostrils look weird, and nothing like Michonne's actress'. I don't think there was any malicious intent behind it though. Not sure if I'd call it intentionally racist, but it given how strongly people react to the imagery and how we still have plenty of people alive to this day who were disparaged by the concept, it was probably wasn't a good idea. She was probably a bit ignorant about the cultural baggage, and does now either way.

Maybe if enough time passes, this field of dress-up can be seen as innocuous again, but it's not advised for quite another while. Bad connotations disappear from the Zeitgeist very difficultly, and it's not our place to tell the people who have been directly affected by it to stop being offended.
 
Correct, it's never okay to change the color of your skin to simulate a different ethnicity IMO.

Whether it's 'blackface' alone you are uncomfortable with, or generally the mimicry of other ethnicities, surely the underlying concern is that the person might be caricaturing or mocking that ethnicity. That simply can't be true in all cases. And if you can't establish that (as here), then the problem disappears.

If this person isn't caricaturing / mocking / degrading / insulting black people or any particular black person (and yes, that's a question of impact not intention), then what is the issue, beyond vague references to 'blackface'?
 
That nose is a characature, especially when it looks nothing like the actress nose. It looks like a round bantu stereotype nose.

The nose is racist, news at eleven. So without her attempt to make her nose more like a character she is celebrating and loves, it wouldn't be racist in your mind?
 
It's not racist, but it is ignorant. Don't wear blackface in 2014.

The irony is that calling this blackface is the real ignorance. It's like you guys slept through every lesson on racism in history until you got to your junior year in college and realized being "tolerant" would help you get laid.
 
That nose is a characature, especially when it looks nothing like the actress nose. It looks like a round bantu stereotype nose.

She didn't actually go out an cosplay. This is her practicing. Maybe she fucked up? Doesn't seem so overt that she is generalizing the black population as one with big noses.
 
Why does she have to paint herself black

If you had bothered reading the article, you would know. But to the rest who also didn't read:

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Soooo, many people said i made a “blackface” with my michonne make up test. First: i only wanted to cosplay my favourite Character of the walking dead and i wanted to do her COMPLETLY.
To all you retards. It's not racist. If you really think it is you might as well call me racist since I happen to date someone whom is also my race
 
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