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[n00bsauce87]

Is it racist that I mimic a black person because I admire them? No.
Is it racists if a black person mimiced me, because s/he liked me? Absolutely not.

I'm going to stop you before you and others start to believe that

What Is Cultural Appropriation and Why Is It Wrong?

"Taking intellectual property, traditional knowledge, cultural expressions, or artifacts from someone else's culture without permission..."

I implore you and others to read the entire definition in the link before you make assumptions based solely on the taken words.

 

[Wthermans]

Blackface wasn't racist because white people made themselves look black. It was racist because it was done to avoid hiring black actors and blackface characters were often insulting stereotypes.

This cosplay is neither of things and not racist at all.

I find it interesting you have an av for a cartoon with a racist character.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammy_Two_Shoes

 

[captainpat]

No, don't agree wit this at all.

Racist people aren't ignorant?

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

That wasn't my question. Why can't a black man paint his face white was the question. Sure you don't have to but why shouldn't he?

The black cosplayers I know don't even think about it. The goal is to have the costume as on point as possible. It's also uncomfortable both physically and mentally. There are black cosplayers who have painted up before and surprise surprise they were called racist.

 

[Camp Lo]

When will these idiots learn you don't have to change your skin color to cosplay someone.

 

[BBQMan]

Not remotely true. Else we wouldn't have white folk across the internet arguing down minorities about how it "isn't offensive" and that we are "too sensitive" and how "it's a tribute" or "just a joke".

Nice generalisation, well done.

 

[jasonng]

This has everything to do with it, imo. Her intent is to admirably portray one of her favourite characters in one of her favourite TV shows. If people are getting offended at someone who had absolutely no intent to offend or belittle anyone, then I think they need to take a step back and ask themselves what exactly about this offends them.

This is precisely what I want to know. Clearly there are people who are sensitive to this so I want to know what makes this blackface. I want to "get it."

 

[Summer Haze]

I find it interesting you have an av for a cartoon with a racist character.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammy_Two_Shoes

Maybe you should look at your own link and see who the original voice actress for that character was.

 

[GorillaJu]

When will these idiots learn you don't have to change your skin color to cosplay someone.

The girl says clearly on her blog post, she doesn't half-ass anything. "You don't have to..." Isn't a compelling reason.

 

[『Inaba Resident』]

When will these idiots learn you don't have to change your skin color to cosplay someone.

Nobody is saying that you have to. She wanted to be as accurate as possible though. Its not exaggerating features or making fun of another race, so what's the issue?

 

[Arthr2ShdsJcksn]

Not remotely true. Else we wouldn't have white folk across the internet arguing down minorities about how it "isn't offensive" and that we are "too sensitive" and how "it's a tribute" or "just a joke".

Ok, I posted that as a joke. Racism != Porn, but the rest of what I said, I stand by.

 

[Sephzilla]

Not remotely true. Else we wouldn't have white folk across the internet arguing down minorities about how it "isn't offensive" and that we are "too sensitive" and how "it's a tribute" or "just a joke".

can i ask why you think it's only white folk who think some people are being too sensitive?

 

[Malyse]

When will these idiots learn you don't have to change your skin color to cosplay someone.

Which is my whole point.

 

[Wthermans]

Maybe you should look at your own link and see who the original voice actress for that character was.

Voice actor does not matter when the entire subject is the caricature of the episodes story and character.

 

[Mikeside]

You're making bad analogies into an art

That's incredibly constructive.

What is it about topics such as these that bring out shitty passive-aggressive comments like this?
I'm just trying to put a point across that you might not agree with, there's no need to make it any more serious than it already is.

Feel free to explain why my point is so invalid.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Racist people aren't ignorant?

All racists are ignorant, but every ignorant person isn't racist. There is an ideology behind racism and if you accidentally say or do something that can be seen as racist because you had no idea that what you said or did was racist, then no, you're not a racist. You're an ignorant person who did an ignorant thing.

 

[Camp Lo]

The girl says clearly on her blog post, she doesn't half-ass anything. "You don't have to..." Isn't a compelling reason.

She's a fucking moron then.

Nobody is saying that you have to. She wanted to be as accurate as possible though. Its not exaggerating features or making fun of another race, so what's the issue?

I'm saying she doesn't have to. It's a very stupid decision in my eyes unless you're dressing up as Mystique.

 

[Summer Haze]

All racists are ignorant, but every ignorant person isn't racist. There is an ideology behind racism and if you accidentally say or do something that can be seen as racist because you had no idea that what you said or did was racist, then no, you're not a racist. You're an ignorant person who did an ignorant thing.

This.

 

[『Inaba Resident』]

Not remotely true. Else we wouldn't have white folk across the internet arguing down minorities about how it "isn't offensive" and that we are "too sensitive" and how "it's a tribute" or "just a joke".

 

[GorillaJu]

She's a fucking moron then.



I'm saying she doesn't have to. It's a very stupid decision in my eyes unless you're dressing up as Mystique.

Okay she's a fucking moron, then. But she's not racist. At least not for this incident alone.

 

[Malyse]

Nice generalisation, well done.

can i ask why you think it's only white folk who think some people are being too sensitive?

Please find me examples of minorities defending their racist behavior online.

 

[backflip10019]

Nobody is saying that you have to. She wanted to be as accurate as possible though. Its not exaggerating features or making fun of another race, so what's the issue?

The means don't justify the ends. Just because it's her intention to be "as accurate as possible" doesn't mean it's not offensive to some end.

 

[Anustart]

There's nothing wrong with it. It wasn't in poor taste or poorly thought out. Its a pretty good costume.

 

[rexor0717]

I really couldn't care less about this. There is a difference between someone changing their skin tone for a well put together costume and someone making themselves into a racist caricature. I see no reason to be an absolutist about this.

 

[AkuMifune]

I'm saying she doesn't have to. It's a very stupid decision in my eyes unless you're dressing up as Mystique.

Please let's not get into the cultural stigma of Blueface.

 

[Summer Haze]

She's a fucking moron then.



I'm saying she doesn't have to. It's a very stupid decision in my eyes unless you're dressing up as Mystique.

She didn't have to change her hair either, but she did, to better represent the character she portraying. Does her hair offend you?

 

[Two Words]

I find it interesting you have an av for a cartoon with a racist character.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammy_Two_Shoes

Okay? A lot of entertainment was racist long ago. Is that really all you're gonna take from my post?

 

[Sephzilla]

Please find me examples of minorities defending their racist behavior online.

Nice job dodging your massive generalization and big ass assumption that everyone saying "This isn't racist" on a forum where you can't actually see them is white.

Spoiler

You could be very well right, but blanket statements like that are never a good idea

 

[『Inaba Resident』]

The means don't justify the ends. Just because it's her intention to be "as accurate as possible" doesn't mean it's not offensive to some end.

How is it offensive? I've yet to see somebody explain that. I want to "get it".

 

[Camp Lo]

Okay she's a fucking moron, then. But she's not racist.

OK? I wasn't aware I called her a racist. I thought I was just calling her stupid for painting her skin color when it wasn't necessary.

 

[kamorra]

Please find me examples of minorities defending their racist behavior online.

Your mind would explode the moment you realize that the world is full of white people facing racism and living as minorities. Some of them are posting in this very thread.

 

[Shadow Ranger]

Probably already mentioned, but it's okay for actors to do the same in movies (Robert Downey Junior and the reverse for Eddie Murphy)?

The intention was to be faithful and is innocent in my eyes.

 

[CornBurrito]

If she checked in with them first and took their advice on execution, and also stated her ironic reasons for doing such....maybe. context checklist marked off, now what to do about that delicate imagery?

I know.. silly putty nose!

She wanted to look like the character. That is the point of cosplay.

 

[Summer Haze]

How is it offensive? I've yet to see somebody explain that.

This. I'd love to hear from someone in this thread who is black, and who is genuinely offended by this cosplay, and their reason/s as to why they are offended. Even with the knowledge that the cosplay is out of nothing but admiration.

 

[Oldschoolgamer]

It's insensitive as hell and a slap to the face of minorities that do cosplay and get shit all of the time, because of their skin color. I don't think she was trying to be racist though. Naive, yes. Racist, no. Now, she should know better.

That nose is way more problematic to me. It's like she didn't even try. That's coming off worse to me than the tan.

What's more ridiculous, is Europeans (fucking lol) acting like they don't have these problems. Or calling and asking a black friend if this shit is cool, like they're supposed to rep for all of us. Better yet, insinuating that a fucking hair style change like dreads, is racist or some shit. I'd name names, but my sarcasm detector might be broken. lol

When will these idiots learn you don't have to change your skin color to cosplay someone.

Pretty much.

edit: LOL @ people bringing up White Chicks like it was a good movie, or acting like Whoopie and Eddie didn't get shit for whiteface, or that people didn't call Snoop out for it recently.

 

[Malyse]

Nice job dodging your massive generalization and big ass assumption that everyone saying "This isn't racist" on a forum where you can't actually see them is white.

Except I didn't make that assumption at all. Please don't put words in my mouth. I'm well aware that there are some minorities defending this. Never said they weren't.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

That's incredibly constructive.

What is it about topics such as these that bring out shitty passive-aggressive comments like this?
I'm just trying to put a point across that you might not agree with, there's no need to make it any more serious than it already is.

Feel free to explain why my point is so invalid.

Fine, I'll be agressive-agressive

Blackface being offensive=tattoos being antisemitic? tattoos existed way before Nazis tattooed people during the Holocaust and do not only stand for oppression

Ignoring the character's skin color is shuffling her blackness under the rug? No, people do it all the time and no one is upset

Depictions of black characters in old cartoons mean we shouldn't allow black characters in modern cartoons? Nothing says the modern depictions are or have to be racist

bad analogies

 

[ActuallyHulk]

She wants to look like her favorite character and she goes in hard with all her cosplay. Can't really fault her.

 

[backflip10019]

How is it offensive? I've yet to see somebody explain that.

It's the cultural context surrounding black face that can make it offensive -- the decades of white people dressing up as caricatures of black people in film and on stage. Just the act of whites putting on makeup to look black is offensive to some people.

 

[Gattsu25]

If you need to toss on blackface before your cosplay is recognizable then you already lost.

 

[Cuphead]

Would it be considered racist if I lightened my skin to look more like an elf?

(am white)

 

[Prophet Steve]

You're saying you can see absolutely no merit in the comparison I'm putting forward?

Just because historically something was done in a tasteless and offensive way doesn't mean anyone doing anything slightly similar with completely different intention should be associated with it.

The historical blackface you're referring to is entirely different in style and intent.
Identification tattoos in concentration camps were different in both style and intent to tattoos people choose to put on their bodies.

It's a comparison I'm making to draw attention to how ridiculous comparing the old to the new really is.


Another comparison would be to say that just because black cartoon characters in old cartoons were portrayed in a pretty racist manner, we shouldn't allow black characters in modern cartoons.

I get that the style and intent of someone painting their face black as part of cosplay is completely different from blackface.

However, a white person painting their face black was a very prominent part of blackface, the act of painting their face black and "playing" a black person was insulting. That is much more similar than someone getting a tattoo is to people in concentration camps getting a tattoo.

I don't think this is racism, but your comparisons make no sense at all.

Also, black characters in cartoons itself weren't racist, it was the treatment of those characters, so that is why we don't mind black characters in cartoons now.

 

[harSon]

All racists are ignorant, but every ignorant person isn't racist. There is an ideology behind racism and if you accidentally say or do something that can be seen as racist because you had no idea that what you said or did was racist, then no, you're not a racist. You're an ignorant person who did an ignorant thing.

An action can still be labeled racist though, with or without the person carrying it out actually being racist.

 

[Wthermans]

Okay? A lot of entertainment was racist long ago. Is that really all you're gonna take from my post?

I found your post and the avatar you had interesting. As such I commented on it.

Don't like what I have to say? Ignore me.

 

[Sephzilla]

Except I didn't make that assumption at all. Please don't put words in my mouth. I'm well aware that there are some minorities defending this. Never said they weren't.

Then why did you feel the need to focus on one group?

Not remotely true. Else we wouldn't have white folk across the internet arguing down minorities about how it "isn't offensive" and that we are "too sensitive" and how "it's a tribute" or "just a joke".

 

[Syntsui]

You just can't ignore the intention and the context of this situation, you just can't. This is a non issue and is ridiculous to compare it to any other racist act.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Definitely doubt it was meant as racist but man... Just don't do it. You can be michonne and just not paint your face black.

The historical connotations are just too abundant. It's like dressing up like a Nazi. No your not a Nazi but some people will find it disrespectful.

Soo, you're comparing black people to Nazis?

OMG RACIST!

 

[BBQMan]

Please find me examples of minorities defending their racist behavior online.

You're kidding right? Google it you'll find plenty.

 

[Zee-Row]

I think some people forgot what blackface really is.

Her cosplay is nowhere near that.

 

[Buzzati]

Please find me examples of minorities defending their racist behavior online.

Donald Sterling was huge into BBSes.