Avengers & X-Men: AXIS (OT) The Red Onslaught

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Issue #3's out today.

Major spoilers follow:

I felt this issue was better than the last, but plenty of wtf moments ensue.

1. Cyclops has been completely rehabilitated by Marvel and all the X-Men accept him again. All their problems with him are gone or have been forgiven. Hell, Havok even says, "Cyclops was right." This is a call-back to their conversation in Uncanny Avengers #1, which I feel would have more impact if this event took place inside UA.

2. The X-Men are the dumbest motherfuckers in the Marvel Universe. "WAKE HIM?! ARE YOU INSANE?!"

3. Did the X-Men expect Sir Steve Rogers, Patron Saint of Authority, to handwave their problems away?

4. Where did the villains go? Wtf is up with grown-up Evanpocalypse? This helps to explain #4's cover.

5. Yay for no more Axis banners.
 
exmachina64 said:
Issue #3's out today.

Major spoilers follow:

I felt this issue was better than the last, but plenty of wtf moments ensue.

1. Cyclops has been completely rehabilitated by Marvel and all the X-Men accept him again. All their problems with him are gone or have been forgiven. Hell, Havok even says, "Cyclops was right." This is a call-back to their conversation in Uncanny Avengers #1, which I feel would have more impact if this event took place inside UA.

2. The X-Men are the dumbest motherfuckers in the Marvel Universe. "WAKE HIM?! ARE YOU INSANE?!"

3. Did the X-Men expect Sir Steve Rogers, Patron Saint of Authority, to handwave their problems away?

4. Where did the villains go? Wtf is up with grown-up Evanpocalypse? This helps to explain #4's cover.

5. Yay for no more Axis banners.
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#4…very interesting question isn't it

AXIS#1
 
WanderingWind said:
Cyclops was officially, canonically right.

Eat it, everybody not on #TeamCyke.
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Axis was worth it just for the X-Men being all 'fuck this division shit, we're a family.' Also loved everything with Deadpool.
The way Stark treats Deadpool is staggeringly awful. Motherfucker saved your life and you tell him he's never ever ever gonna be an Avenger?
 
DeathyBoy said:
Axis was worth it just for the X-Men being all 'fuck this division shit, we're a family.' Also loved everything with Deadpool.
The way Stark treats Deadpool is staggeringly awful. Motherfucker saved your life and you tell him he's never ever ever gonna be an Avenger?
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Not to mention that Deadpool was the only one with the right idea. Quentin wouldn't be able to keep the Psi barrier up, and Tony had the other one.

edit, also regarding Evan, he most likely got inverted into Apocalypse... which is interesting because wasn't Apoc supposed to be a weak mutant before he turned into big Apoc?
 
SRG01 said:
Not to mention that Deadpool was the only one with the right idea. Quentin wouldn't be able to keep the Psi barrier up, and Tony had the other one.
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I know, right? And Stark's the cause of the Stark Sentinels. Billionaire philanthropist my ass.
 
DeathyBoy said:
I know, right? And Stark's the cause of the Stark Sentinels. Billionaire philanthropist my ass.
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I suggest reading this week's Deadpool too. It kind of shows how the Inversion works, especially with Deadpool's subconscious. He's self-aware of it at some level, but chooses to go with it anyway.
 
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Cyclops was right. Confirmed.

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SRG01 said:
I suggest reading this week's Deadpool too. It kind of shows how the Inversion works, especially with Deadpool's subconscious. He's self-aware of it at some level, but chooses to go with it anyway.
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Will do. I'm loving how this is a sequel to AvX, the last Marvel event I actually enjoyed.
 
I just can't take this anymore, the writing is just so unrelentingly awful.

Why is everyone talking in terrible one-liners for every single piece of dialogue? God only knows what happened to the guy who wrote UXF.
 
Blues1990 said:
I was able to read this series, just so I can give it a fair shot. Unfortunately, after reading the latest issue, I'm still holding back to what I've said previously:
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I don't see how it's confusing at all...? I mean, the only thing really out of the blue was
the Inversion spell that Wanda suggested. That couldn't have been the only spell that would've been possible, right?
 
SRG01 said:
I don't see how it's confusing at all...? I mean, the only thing really out of the blue was
the Inversion spell that Wanda suggested. That couldn't have been the only spell that would've been possible, right?
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She's batshit insane. That's how I rationalise all of her insane choices.
 
"That's the kind of oversight that gets you uninvited to fondue parties."

"I did get straight As in chicanery 101"

Remender writing the shit out of these ancient norse gods.
 
DeathyBoy said:
I was too busy laughing at Sam Wilson.

We'll lock him in Avengers Tower.

I just don't even...
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What's wrong with that idea?

[Since this canonically takes place before the Avengers/Illuminati rift...]

With all his henchmen dead and his telepathy blocked, the Red Skull's powerless. Enough time for [insert genius superhero] to surgically remove whatever of Xavier's brain is in the Skull's head.

SRG01 said:
I suggest reading this week's Deadpool too. It kind of shows how the Inversion works, especially with Deadpool's subconscious. He's self-aware of it at some level, but chooses to go with it anyway.
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I might do this. I haven't felt the need to purchase any of the tie-ins besides the UA and Magneto lead-ins, however, this may change when all the Inversion tie-ins start.

WanderingWind said:
Cyclops was officially, canonically right.

Eat it, everybody not on #TeamCyke.
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I fully expect this to not have any effect outside of Axis. Logan's going to have a hell of a time when Marvel resurrects him.

BenjaminBirdie said:
#4…very interesting question isn't it

AXIS#1
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You're Rick Remender, aren't you?
 
Remender is a good writer-why is the writing in this so bad?

I did enjoy Deadpool meeting up with Evan again though.
 
Cyclops wins again? I need more details on this, nothing would make me happier than for everyone to stop being dumbasses and realize Scott was fucking right.

Shove it Beast, Wolverine, and Cap.
 
The Silver said:
Cyclops wins again? I need more details on this, nothing would make me happier than for everyone to stop being dumbasses and realize Scott was fucking right.

Shove it Beast, Wolverine, and Cap.
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It wasn't this big character moment where Cyclops won through emotional insight and logical reasoning.

Dalek said:
Remender is a good writer-why is the writing in this so bad?

I did enjoy Deadpool meeting up with Evan again though.
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I'm trying to imagine Axis if it was still merely a story arc in UA, with John Cassaday on art perhaps.
 
WanderingWind said:
Cyclops was officially, canonically right.

Eat it, everybody not on #TeamCyke.
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the dude left his wife in the dust. im pretty sure hes inverted.

and cyke wanted to wake up red skull. whens he gonna learn not to poke beehives with sticks?
 
The newest issue of Deadpool was really good.

exmachina64 said:
What's wrong with that idea?

[Since this canonically takes place before the Avengers/Illuminati rift...]

With all his henchmen dead and his telepathy blocked, the Red Skull's powerless. Enough time for [insert genius superhero] to surgically remove whatever of Xavier's brain is in the Skull's head.



I might do this. I haven't felt the need to purchase any of the tie-ins besides the UA and Magneto lead-ins, however, this may change when all the Inversion tie-ins start.



I fully expect this to not have any effect outside of Axis. Logan's going to have a hell of a time when Marvel resurrects him.



You're Rick Remender, aren't you?
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Given the new UA team it looks like it will.
 
SRG01 said:
Was there an official list as to who gets inverted with this event? Off the top of my head,
Steve, Thor, Iron Man, Deadpool, Hobgoblin, Carnage, who else?
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as of deadpool, storm and nightcrawler too
 
SRG01 said:
Was there an official list as to who gets inverted with this event? Off the top of my head,
Steve, Thor, Iron Man, Deadpool, Hobgoblin, Carnage, who else?
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I thought that
Steve was confirmed not to be inverted, along with Spider-Man and Nova. But I think everyone else gets inverted.
 
Dalek said:
Par for the course with that knucklehead
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Huh?

The X-Men have Emma Frost, Teen Jean Grey and Rachel Grey - three of the most powerful telepaths ever. They also have Magik, who can whisk Onslaught to Limbo if he starts acting up. If anyone can deal with Skull-Xavier, it's them.

'LOCK HIM IN AVENGERS TOWER.'

Sam Wilson Captain America is the fucking worst.
 
This is why the MCU will always be superior to whatever dreck the comics are cycling through: The MCU Avengers kill people. They throw goons off of Helicarriers, and fill them with bullets and missiles, because they must be disposed of.

Red Skull being "worse than Hitler" but being afforded some prisoner bullshit because "we're the goodies" is nonsense, but then so is "WAKE HIM UP, HE MIGHT BE XAVIER FROM THIS FEVER DREAM I HAD!"

Anyone saying "Cyclops was right!" is wrong too, because it runs counter to everything Xavier was trying to do, and then ultimately Wolverine with the Jean Grey School: integrate with humanity positively while trying to mediate any fear. Cyclops path was "FEAR US: REVOLUTION IS COMING" as part of a "crap, i screwed up bigtime" hissyfit going on for many years. "OPTIC BLAST TODDLER WAS RIGHT TO TANTRUM" t-shirt print, away we go.

AXIS is Remender at his fucking worst.
 
DeathyBoy said:
Huh?

The X-Men have Emma Frost, Teen Jean Grey and Rachel Grey - three of the most powerful telepaths ever. They also have Magik, who can whisk Onslaught to Limbo if he starts acting up. If anyone can deal with Skull-Xavier, it's them.

'LOCK HIM IN AVENGERS TOWER.'

Sam Wilson Captain America is the fucking worst.
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quentin was on the scene, and he was being overwhelmed by red onslaught. having a bunch of psychics succumb to him is a really bad idea.
 
Except Xavier in the comics is a hypocritical borderline psychopath.

By that logic every irrational choice Cyclops makes fits right in with 'what would Xavier do?' If anything the Avengers being all 'HE WAS A GREAT MAN' is the ludicrous and illogical motivation running from AvX onwards.
 
Parallax said:
quentin was on the scene, and he was being overwhelmed by red onslaught. having a bunch of psychics succumb to him is a really bad idea.
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Quentin held him at bay on his own; throw in three other Omega telepaths, and they should be able to hold him for a fair while to get Xavier out. I mean after they do they should lock Charles in the brig for being a hypocritical piece of shit, but he's their problem.
 
DeathyBoy said:
Except Xavier in the comics is a hypocritical borderline psychopath.
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When he's written by retconning hacks, sure, who isn't.

What made Onslaught great was that it was a total perversion of Xavier due to the one time he lashed out with negativity against Magneto and he pays a price for it. Since then, it became cool to character assassinate the guy with all sorts of shit to "make him interesting" and essentially ensure there was no Xavier's Dream at the core of the X-Men anymore until Wolverine started it back up again with the Jean Grey School.
 
DeathyBoy said:
Quentin held him at bay on his own; throw in three other Omega telepaths, and they should be able to hold him for a fair while to get Xavier out. I mean after they do they should lock Charles in the brig for being a hypocritical piece of shit, but he's their problem.
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quentin struggled to keep him at bay. jeans definitely not going to fare better, so its all on rachel. and even then, who has the power to pull charles out without getting corrupted?
 
Pie and Beans said:
This is why the MCU will always be superior to whatever dreck the comics are cycling through: The MCU Avengers kill people. They throw goons off of Helicarriers, and fill them with bullets and missiles, because they must be disposed of.
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Bah. Movies have just trained you to view killing as a method of conflict resolution whose results are final. It's not true. Of the deceptions that movies conventionally spread, like we only use ten percents of our brains; the insanity defense is a get out of jail free card; table tops protect you in shoot outs; it's the most pervasive and the most sociopathic. Bullshit, sir. Bullshit.
 
karasu said:
Bah. Movies have just trained you to view killing as a method of conflict resolution whose results are final. It's not true. Of the deceptions that movies conventionally spread, like we only use ten percents of our brains; the insanity defense is a get out of jail free card; table tops protect you in shoot outs; it's the most pervasive and the most sociopathic. Bullshit, sir. Bullshit.
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Also neuters The Punisher's MCU important.

If everyone kills, then why throw the book at him?
 
karasu said:
Bah. Movies have just trained you to view killing as a method of conflict resolution whose results are final. It's not true. Of the deceptions that movies conventionally spread, like we only use ten percents of our brains; the insanity defense is a get out of jail free card; table tops protect you in shoot outs; it's the most pervasive and the most sociopathic. Bullshit, sir. Bullshit.
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Then you get piffle like Batman constantly saving The Joker and suchforth. Sure, don't kill every villain you meet as some are conflicted and redeemable, but whoops, Red Skull the totally irredeemable 100 year super-Nazi accidentally died while we were saving the world from concentration camp apocalypse is not "poor conflict resolution". Worse still Is Captain "World War 2 Vet that never killed even a mouse" America as a concept.

DeathyBoy said:
Also neuters The Punisher's MCU important.

If everyone kills, then why throw the book at him?
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Punisher is unique in that he hunts to kill, and often low level standard powered people at that. People that could be locked up, but he chooses to off them as his own brand of justice. The difference with things like ONSLAUGHT and APOCALYPSE is because you cant just slap the bracelets on and they go off and wipe another city off the map because youre a dumbass with "principles".
 
Punisher is unique in that he hunts to kill, and often low level standard powered people at that. People that could be locked up, but he chooses to off them as his own brand of justice. The difference with things like ONSLAUGHT and APOCALYPSE is because you cant just slap the bracelets on and they go off and wipe another city off the map because youre a dumbass with "principles".
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Except in the comics The Avengers just did that with Red Skull.

SAM WILSON: LOCK HIM IN AVENGERS TOWER.
 
Pie and Beans said:
Then you get piffle like Batman constantly saving The Joker and suchforth. Sure, don't kill every villain you meet as some are conflicted and redeemable, but whoops, Red Skull the totally irredeemable 100 year super-Nazi accidentally died while we were saving the world from concentration camp apocalypse is not "poor conflict resolution".
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Magneto has committed as many awful acts as The Red Skull has. If not more. I'm sure he's been called irredeemable as well.
 
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