Avengers & X-Men: AXIS (OT) The Red Onslaught
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I recommend checking out Magneto's solo series for the events leading up to this...hoping he gets to play with his new toys by the end of Axis.
He now has the ability to endlessly clone the Marauders to serve him instead of being used to hunt mutants. He killed the existing clones except for Scalphunter - who he left alive but cut off most of his arms and legs
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HomerSimpson-Man
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All those mixed messages and the character murder of Xavier made me not gave a damn about that much on the X-men books too much anymore.
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Magneto being a victim of the Holocaust is actually less of a problem than he and Xavier being old pals *before* Magneto was de-aged. At least Magneto getting younger has reasons in the book, when you start wondering how the hell Xavier is/was still ticking and looks basically the same, you have to go with "because comics"
So he ripped off Mr.Sinister?
Manmademan
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I knew skipping that one was a bad idea
Manmademan
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as i said before, Xavier''s original body was destroyed ages ago. He's been using clone bodies.
Since when was it okay and forgivable for Jean to do that? As a result of doing that:
-The Shi'ar arranged for her to be executed
-She committed suicide to prevent herself from going nuts when the Shi'ar failed.
-The Shi'ar attempted to murder the Phoenix itself, driving it temporarily insane.
-Jean spent a long, long time building postmortal homes for the souls of those she murdered as penance
-The Shi'ar murdered Jean's entire family (or like, most of it) in the hopes of preventing any Greys from ever having the Phoenix again.
And that's just off the top of my head. It took a long, long time for Jean to be forgiven for that single arc, and that's assuming she actually has been forgiven for it. The whole point of Jean dying at the end of the Dark Phoenix Saga was that the writers felt what she had done was unforgivable.
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Avoiding this thread like the plague (I'm not yet current on Marvel).....but I do have 1 question; Does the upcoming Uncanny Avengers omnibus lead right into Axis? What should I read before Axis?
I mean, I'll wait for the Axis hardcover (and most likely the Companion hardcover), but I want to make sure I know what's up before the event.
I mean, I'll wait for the Axis hardcover (and most likely the Companion hardcover), but I want to make sure I know what's up before the event.
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Interesting...I missed that. Well, it's comics so I'll take it
Manmademan
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yes. Axis #1 is basically a direct continuation of the events of Uncanny Avengers. The series won't make any sense without having read that one.
Lucky for you, UA is EXXXXXXXXXXXCEEEEEEELLLLLLLLENT so get on reading that one ASAP.
Don't forget, when the teenage Jean Grey (who hadn't done any of the dark phoenix BS) showed up in the present timeline because of Beast's fuckery, The Shi'ar flew halfway across the universe to kidnap her, put her on trial, and (presumably) execute her, because fuck you, you blew up a planet in the 80s that's why.
The Shi'ar didn't forget that bit of business at ALL
So great.
The Silver
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Wow were they seriously trying to chastise and stop Magneto from killing a fucking mass murdering Nazi who was putting mutants in concentration camps?!
My suspension of disbelief can only go so far.
Cyclops' group of mutants are the only ones worth a damn I tell ya.
My suspension of disbelief can only go so far.
Cyclops' group of mutants are the only ones worth a damn I tell ya.
This is the same Remender who tried to have Havok introduce "The M-Word"
Rastafarian42
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Yeah man Magneto has been pretty great love how this and Uncanny Avengers have tied into each other and lead into Axis.
Manmademan
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Seriously though, Cyclops' team is so broken right now he could end the surprise "twist" to Axis #1 in about ten seconds.
As mentioned, the artist threw in the broccoli people. Originally D'Bari would've been uninhabited. It also wasn't a Galaxy, it was a single Solar system. And even with the retcon, Jean Grey personally experienced the deaths of the D'Bari people TWICE (Classic X-Men 43 and X-Men Forever 3)...she also, as her first appearance as the White Phoenix, personally built homes for their souls in the afterlife along with Death (Classic X-Men 43), and as even Death said, she saved the entire universe(M'kraan crystal incident). Jean has atoned.
Clone bodies that can't use their legs or has he been walking?
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Seriously though, Cyclops' team is so broken right now he could end the surprise "twist" to Axis #1 in about ten seconds.
Cyke could assemble a team of Whiz Kid, Artie, Leech, and Lifeguard, and they would be considered a cosmic threat. Because he is that good/.
Manmademan
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Xmen forever wasn't canon though. Basically claremont fan fiction. everything else is spot on though.
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Seriously though, Cyclops' team is so broken right now he could end the surprise "twist" to Axis #1 in about ten seconds.
Hes got a "no uggos" clause in team building. It just so happens that all the human mutants that side with him are pretty good.
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He died recently on his feet.
Manmademan
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He was walking around just fine until Shadow king (an old nemesis) broke his legs again just to fuck with him.
They were subsequently healed a couple of times after that, but both turned out to be temporary.
There's literally one there with the power to control all electronics. Took a helicarrier and sent it on a joyride for a couple of miles, and took over the super advanced sentinels dark beast built like it was nothing 2 or 3 issues ago
which means red skull's adamantium sentinels are pretty much worthless if cyclops remembers that guy is at home sitting on his ass instead of being useful during Axis #2. Stark should also have no files at all on ANYONE on Cyke's team, so that's a massive plot hole there
Really? Because it originated the whole "Omega level mutant" term in its current usage(to designate mutants with unlimited potential in the use of their powers), starting with Jean and Bobby. I know Claremont did a title of the same name, but I'm talking about the 6 issue limited series written by Fabian Nicieza(sp?)
Manmademan
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forgot all about that one. you might be right then!
MHWilliams
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Truth.
Rogue is going through some shit, she's understandably confused.
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They recently located a mutant who was "beyond Omega level," which is kinda silly given that definition
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Yeah, her behavior makes a lot more sense if you've been reading Uncanny Avengers. That really is required reading to get the most out of Axis
I'm curious what Is his current lineup right now? I know he has Magik, Emma,Colossus with him.
Manmademan
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Axis is really just uncanny avengers volume 2.
everything is nonsense if you haven't been reading UA.
where did half of havok's face go? why does the red skull have xavier's brain? where did ahab come from? why are they all in a concentration camp? when and why did wasp and havok get married? what's this planet x everyone is talking about? why is havok pissed off at magneto? why does rogue have wonder man's powers? why is red skull suddenly onslaught?
Colossus was with Xforce and then joined Wolverine's team, he's not on Scott's team. The current lineup is
Indeed, they tried that crap before also with Vulcan, he's "Omega PLUS"...because unlimited is just too limited a descriptor I guess. I hate when writers have no self control and just try to one up something previously established
MHWilliams
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Triage, Tempus, Emma, Cyclops, Magik, Magneto
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goldballs, tempus, the cuckoos, and that healer dude.
Manmademan
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yeah, he's always been kinda boring. But the Xmen need at least one, and since they blew up Thunderbird one issue in Colossus gets that spot by default.
you forgot the mimic, the dude who hijacks electronics, kitty pryde, and the O5 Xmen minus young cyclops who is in space right now, and X-23.
This is old news, but remember when Dazzler kept dying and coming back? Did they ever sort that out?
Juggernaut calling Warpath almost as good as the Russian was the slanderest of insults.
Juggernaut calling Warpath almost as good as the Russian was the slanderest of insults.
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Can't forget Edgy-Dazzler
MHWilliams
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They haven't even dealt with the fact that she was into black Cyclops.
Manmademan
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I don't remember her dying and coming back- a future version where she got elected president (?!) got killed in battle of the atom, and the present one got knocked out by mystique and farmed for MGH for months, but she wasn't dead.
I DID forget emo dazzler. silly me
Fimbulvetr
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Remember kids, if you're a holocaust survivor and kill an active nazi (one so evil that even Hitler would tell him to tone it down), you're just as bad as a nazi.
hurr durr "hate begets hate"
Poor Longshot
It was in the Excalibur run with powered down Juggy and the new Captain Britain. Eons ago in comic time.
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all the pretty mutants are with cyclops. wheres the suge knight recruiting for death row image for him.
i told you I don't read excalibur, bro
...yeah, i remember you saying that.
Oh God, did they?
Jean just cannot live it down. It's like she killed a planet full of Uncle Bens and Gwen Stacys
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