Avengers & X-Men: AXIS (OT) The Red Onslaught
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There's something odd about the whole plotline too because
Cyke, QQ, and Kid Apoc were at the camp too. Kidnapping Cyke and Kid Apoc would be easy, but Quentin Quire?! He's an Omega level mutant and has been shown to wipe the floor with most mutants.
Another thing, some of the new mutants in Uncanny were getting suspicious, especially from Triage... so perhaps we may get a roster change with Uncanny soon? Perhaps the new mutants taking over?
Another thing, some of the new mutants in Uncanny were getting suspicious, especially from Triage... so perhaps we may get a roster change with Uncanny soon? Perhaps the new mutants taking over?
Pai Pai Master
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Just a heads up if you want to get into AXIS/Uncanny Avengers I highly recommend reading Remender's run on Uncanny X-Force first. Not only does it set up some stuff that goes down in the 2nd arc of Uncanny, it's just one of the very best X-books ever with some truly sublime Ribic art. Especially if you like Deadpool, he's fantastically written in that book.
It's on MU and there is a Complete Collection vol 1 out now, with vol 2 coming soon. The Omnibus is out of print I think.
It's on MU and there is a Complete Collection vol 1 out now, with vol 2 coming soon. The Omnibus is out of print I think.
Isnt she back anyway? Read a Captain America by Brubaker Story a couple of days ago, where she meet Patriot.
But it can be that she died or disapeared since then.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
She was in young allies a few years ago, but i dont know where she is now, probably on the road with patriot
HP_Wuvcraft
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So Onslaught is just a psychic manifestation?
entremet
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Basically. But it's tangible of course.
It was originally the result of Xavier absorbing Magnetos hatred. Then it got ahold of Franklin Richards and was essentially a god.
God Onslaught was such a stupid event, it hurts my head to think about it.
Ragingnight
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Pai Pai Master
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They aren't really "against" each other at this point, not as much as they were immediately after AvX. She fell in with Kitty and the First Class from the Past, who had already gone to Scott's side to train the young mutants. I'm assuming an event like Axis is going to unite them again especially with Wolverine gone.
Didn't she die in an Onslaught story?
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
that would explain a lot
clay_ghost
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Haha now that Marvel announced secret wars, many likely we are getting a reboot.
I thought he looked cool when I was 13-14 during the original story. The plot made zero sense of course.
Eric the Red
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I have a question. Why does onslaught's manifestation not need a brain to be projected from? Don't psychic powers come from brains? Red Skull obtained his powers from literally taking Xavier's brain. That same brain that is now pudding smeared onto bricks. Has Onslaught always transcended death? Have they explained that already? Okay I lied that was actually more than a question.
He means how Jean is viewed by the heroes that knew her. She's still missed and always spoken of with the sympathy of a tragic victim. Every mutant at the school knows her because the whole damn school is now named after her with a big statue of her in the courtyard. Tell me that isn't different treatment than Cyke is getting - Mr. Worsethanmagnato.
He means how Jean is viewed by the heroes that knew her. She's still missed and always spoken of with the sympathy of a tragic victim. Every mutant at the school knows her because the whole damn school is now named after her with a big statue of her in the courtyard. Tell me that isn't different treatment than Cyke is getting - Mr. Worsethanmagnato.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
nothing in secret wars says reboot. just because its a crossover that looks like COIE doesnt mean that it will end like COIE
Secret Wars looks rather like a Crisis Event than a Reboot.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
She didn't fall in with them. They basically kidnapped her. But it was ok because teen Scott is hot... or something.
A reboot would serve no purpose
First issue was pretty bad. Art was a mess, dialogue between the Avengers was annoying as hell, and I really think the shift from the Kang arc in UA to this happened way too quickly. I'm also just really sick of Rogue's shit at this point; she's just a miserable character to read.
Eric the Red
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I kind of know what you mean. I miss her being more sassy and confident rather than her current bitchy and difficult phase.
The difference then isn't at all related to what they did while under the Phoenix's influence. It has more to do with the rift between the X-Men that popped up after her death. Jean had 30 years to rebuild her reputation after eating that star and to re-earn her position among the X-Men. Scott's had less than a year at a point when half the X-Men didn't like him already.
Eric the Red
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By saying it's mostly because of Schism, aren't you admitting people are judging Scott on previous prejudice rather than actual events or the merits of his character? That's makes it even worse. And you still haven't convinced me that the moral judgement was ever the same. Even a year after Jean's death I'm willing to bet no one was saying that she died as evil as Lady Deathstrike. Like I said, Jean = victim, Scott = dictator because it's free drama to justify the current arc.
I'm just here for the ride.
Honestly, every X-Man (Well, okay, except for Nightcrawler. I like Nightcrawler) is a dick right now, so I can't really choose who's the bigger asshole really. Still think Cyclops is too much like a Magneto light, so I'm still not too crazy about the guy. Him and Havoc having a moment is cool though.
Rogue sucks anyway.
Honestly, every X-Man (Well, okay, except for Nightcrawler. I like Nightcrawler) is a dick right now, so I can't really choose who's the bigger asshole really. Still think Cyclops is too much like a Magneto light, so I'm still not too crazy about the guy. Him and Havoc having a moment is cool though.
Rogue sucks anyway.
exmachina64
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Comixology had Marvel comics up earlier than usual. Finished Sixis #2 just now.
Comixology had Marvel comics up earlier than usual. Finished Sixis #2 just now.
ugh.... is that still there?
Marvel has never rebooted 616, and never will. The One More Day shitstorm was enough of a lesson.
clay_ghost
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I don't really see how they can go from here . outside of spiderman every super heros seems to be a mass murderer after all these concurrent events. It will be great to see Marvel sticking to it and not reboot, it's all a dream, time travel or something like that and wipe the state clean.
BenjaminBirdie
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they took it off the preview but not the actual issue lofl
awesome issue as usual tho.
anyone who has the print issue, is the last splash page like a fold out or something? it had weird dimensions on my iPad
Sho_Nuff82
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At the end of Onslaught vs Marvel Universe, after Xavier is forcibly ripped from his chest by Thor, and then he's smashed apart by The Hulk, Onslaught claims that he has become a being a pure psionic energy. It doesn't really need a physical body.
exmachina64
Banned
Yes, but less than last time.
I'm pretty sure this is sarcasm, because it's just as bad as last week.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
yes it's sarcasm because i subjectively liked something you didn't
lofl wtf
#axisshift
exmachina64
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I'm sorry, I didn't realize some people were enjoying Axis.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
wack kubert art aside, it's pretty standard reminder excellence.
I just picked up both issues digitally and wow this is pretty amazing after the middling Original Sin. I'm still working my way through Uncanny Avengers so some of the back story is a bit of a loss but if anything that's just made me enjoy it even more.
It's nice seeing everyone fighting together for a change instead of against each other.
It's nice seeing everyone fighting together for a change instead of against each other.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
To even equate it to anything close to his legendary UXF run is pure nonsense.
Its Remender on auto-pilot as he focusses on his creator owned stuff and everyone else at Marvel other than a brave few also turns in the bare minimum. I actually enjoyed Onslaught back in the 90's, but it was pretty widely shunned. Now to see people actually cheering for a rushed re-play is a sign of how far cape comics done fell.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
It's the same thing he's been doing since UA started. Moral thematics overlaid onto superhero fights.
"Sorry you don't like it!" < ¯\_(ツ
_/¯Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
It's the same thing he's been doing since UA started. Moral thematics overlaid onto superhero fights.
"Sorry you don't like it!" < ¯\_(ツ
Well at least this isn't "THE WORLD ENDS BUT LOL, TIME-TRAVEL ALTERNATE DIMENSION COP OUT TIME" I guess.
UXF was good because it was small-crew focussed person to person relationships. Modern Remender is shit because its just never ending HIGH STAKES to bludgeon you over the head with as SHOCK FACTOR after XANATOS GAMBIT put you into a submissive comic-reader coma.
"Buhhhhh, EPIC!"
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
idunno man.
seems like it's just a case of me liking something you don't.
doesn't make me a submissive comic-reader comatose.
i didn't accuse people who aren't enjoying axis of being cynical funhating grumps.
don't make me post the shrug again.
DonasaurusRex
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I believe it was a planet and she didnt appear again for over a decade, who said it was ok , they fear the phoenix like the plague after that event. I mean...they killed her for what she did, the Shi'ar found her guilty of murder and went after her. What issue endorsed or absolved Jean of what happened? They wanted to kill her because she was the avatar of the Phoenix , hence being in Jean made the Phoenix susceptible to human morality. Even the Shi'ar knew it wasn't literally Jean that wanted to murder a planet. I don't think what you're saying is judging the story by true principles.
It was evil, even Scott would undo that if he could.
Who within the comics, really know the history of the weapon X program besides , fury and a bunch of people in the program that was part of Wolverines character for YEARS the secrecy of the program and his missions. Half the Avengers didn't want Wolverine on the team anyway just because of his reputation and no one really knowing who he was. It was obvious his popularity (with fans) got him on the team in New Avengers. The common person in the 616 doesn't know about Madripoor, the Hand, his CIA days, Canadian government op days, WW2 - Nam days, so on and so forth. No one even knew his name for 30 years, he isn't Ted Bundy and walking free. Half or more of his hits came from governments that employed him, who's going to prosecute that?
Supermanisdead
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Today's issue was ok. This event isn't as bad as I thought it would be. I'm still annoyed at this whole "Magneto is soooo bad because he killed the Skull" shit. Even in today's Magneto, he was beating himself up over it. Don't feel bad for killing Nazi scum.
Hype for next week, bruhs
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