PUA coaches sexual assault, spawns twitter campaign (disturbing imagery)

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$3,000 dollars a head for his seminar.

These things are the biggest ripoffs ever.

And it's usually guys with decent jobs that attend these obviously due to the price.

Many PUA tactics are carbon copies of sales techniques popularized by Robert Cialdini.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Cialdini

6 key principles of influence by Robert Cialdini[edit]

Reciprocity – People tend to return a favor, thus the pervasiveness of free samples in marketing. In his conferences, he often uses the example of Ethiopia providing thousands of dollars in humanitarian aid to Mexico just after the 1985 earthquake, despite Ethiopia suffering from a crippling famine and civil war at the time. Ethiopia had been reciprocating for the diplomatic support Mexico provided when Italy invaded Ethiopia in 1935. The good cop/bad cop strategy is also based on this principle.

Commitment and Consistency – If people commit, orally or in writing, to an idea or goal, they are more likely to honor that commitment because of establishing that idea or goal as being congruent with their self-image. Even if the original incentive or motivation is removed after they have already agreed, they will continue to honor the agreement. Cialdini notes Chinese brainwashing on American prisoners of war to rewrite their self-image and gain automatic unenforced compliance. See cognitive dissonance.

Social Proof – People will do things that they see other people are doing. For example, in one experiment, one or more confederates would look up into the sky; bystanders would then look up into the sky to see what they were seeing. At one point this experiment aborted, as so many people were looking up that they stopped traffic. See conformity, and the Asch conformity experiments.

Authority – People will tend to obey authority figures, even if they are asked to perform objectionable acts. Cialdini cites incidents such as the Milgram experiments in the early 1960s and the My Lai massacre.

Liking – People are easily persuaded by other people that they like. Cialdini cites the marketing of Tupperware in what might now be called viral marketing. People were more likely to buy if they liked the person selling it to them. Some of the many biases favoring more attractive people are discussed. See physical attractiveness stereotype.

Scarcity – Perceived scarcity will generate demand. For example, saying offers are available for a "limited time only" encourages sales.

Julien is using the Authority aspect with his choke openers. Anyone familiar with the Milligram experiment knows it's a landmark and disturbing study.
 
Wow, what a disgusting piece of shit. Looks like Anonymous are on the warpath so expect he is in for a rough ride. Hopefully the social media campaign will force every Australian venue to cancel his meetings and he can fuck off back under the rock he crawled out from.
 
I was hoping that chart was something someone else made to show what he does. Nope, he fucking made it himself. Stop the planet, I want off.
 
He's a POS, but the graph is obviously a piss poor attempt at shock humor.

Look at right hand image with his comment.

This guy reminds me of Dennis really badly.

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Is this the same guy who recently try to teach people how to pick up Japanese girls (which involves gesture that's similar to forcing girls to perform oral sex on him)?

What happened to just treat girls kindly and as gentleman as you could?


Well, no one wants to be a neckbeard fedora guy, so I guess they think being like this guy is ok.
 
Because they are desperate loners who think the women of the world owe them something just because. Because they think "chicks dig jerks" so the only way they can succeed is by becoming Jerk Prime.

The pick up scene has turned what is basic psychology into a game because these autistic manchildren don't understand that getting a woman doesn't involve tricking them and using ridiculous psychological exploitation on them, it's just something that happens naturally and spontaneously through conversation and natural chemistry.

I was hoping that The Game would have destroyed this scene forever but it seems like people only got about halfway through the book and missed the bits about self-destruction and needing to maintain a relationship beyond pushing psychological buttons.

Can we please stop using autistic as a slur. Kind of rude to a lot of people dude.
 
Is this the same guy who recently try to teach people how to pick up Japanese girls (which involves gesture that's similar to forcing girls to perform oral sex on him)?

What happened to just treat girls kindly and as gentleman as you could?

A lot of these guys are misguided.

They feel the gentleman routine has left them virgins, so they go the other extreme PUA angle.

They see jock types in HS and College get laid like crazy and feel if they emulate that they could get girls to sleep with them.

The reality of it is that it creates this obsession with getting laid. Heck, if you want to play the field, enjoy and stay safe, however, basing your self esteem/self worth on your ability to bed women on command is a direct route to frustration.
 
That graph... Surely he'll pull a Machiavelli and claim it's satire, right? ... right?

He's a POS, but the graph is obviously a piss poor attempt at shock humor.

Perhaps, but I think that's problematic in and of itself. Most obviously, because not everyone will interpret it as a joke, including some of his students who are trying to absorb everything he says. The implications of that are terrifying. But perhaps even more concerning, the idea that a domestic abuse warning chart is treated as a joke creates a horrific environment between genders. If domestic abuse is a joke or exaggeration of their current behavior, what exactly is permissible? The thing about humor that "pushes the boundaries" is that you push the boundaries of what is and is not socially acceptable behavior. This can be used for good or ill. In this case, it's clearly the latter.

That power and control wheel is apparently the Duluth Power and Control Wheel, and it's a tool used by anti-DV activists to highlight abusive behavior; the post also mentions that Heartiste, another popular PUA figure, has found, er, inspiration in it.

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Wow, what a disgusting piece of shit. Looks like Anonymous are on the warpath so expect he is in for a rough ride.

Uh oh. This may escalate in a very bad way, then.

This guy reminds me of Dennis really badly.

Well, no one wants to be a neckbeard fedora guy, so I guess they think being like this guy is ok.

But Dennis is an idiot!

..Also what if I go for something in the middle? AKA normalcy :p
 
what i learn from julien was the basic structure of pick up and afterwards getting massive mometum and immersed myself in it. i have never or rarely did cold approach. Talking to strangers scared the fuck out of me. On both the bootcamp i was able to pull but i was able to cum on a girls tits in alex bootcamp.

Julien the attractive asshole. ( when i mean attractive is not that he is good looking ) but he help me alot with attraction and hooking , brought te asshole side of me.. I can attract girls with the vibe of the 4 pillars . PIMP is a good product for new guys. help u step by step in the interaction. He is good at getting girls attention and keeping them. the girls get hook massive ATTRACTION . If u wanna be SUPER pick up man i would go for JUlIEN all the way. If you have masive social anxiety go for juien bootcamp he will break you and give u massive momentum .

But i just recently finish an alex bootcamp. for me its totally opposite of juliens game. . Alex natural method is being social , be safe and normal and have fun. Unless julien where you have to keep the girls attention. Alex is get the girls attention and if she wonders off its ok. As long as you get them ate front door. FDR. also just approach 4x while julien is the infinity rule meaning if you get blown out you keep reappraoching FOREVER unless he or another instructor points u to another girl. quote from julien ( i won't suck your dick , she is)

I was a massive julien fan, but now i am more into the natural instict. Alex's method is more realistic for me. Its the game i havebeen looking for and i now i am internalizing i am enough method Alex bootcamp and concept are realistic , though his videos sometime you may not understand but his GAME works. If i ever get a plateu i will take an Alex bootcamp again. PS , myles , frank , gio and valentino were great wings and helped me a lot. Fun thing about bootcamp is meeting cool guys like them
 
Well I hope with a mod actually participating in this thread about this douche won't get locked up for the 3rd time.

2 past attempts were full of the usual suspects shitting 'huurrr white men' so a third attempt without the race element should be ok.
 
Uh oh. This may escalate in a very bad way, then.



But Dennis is an idiot!

..Also what if I go for something in the middle? AKA normalcy :p

Fedora guy is a caricature honestly.

I used to part of another forum. Another smaller gaming forum, where I'd help guys with their dating.

Many of the them were classic hopeless dudes with women, but they just needed some advice and guidance.

They loved PUA material. However, looking into PUA material and most of it was pretty lazy. Also it did not take in to effect that if you've spent years in your basement playing games all day, there will be some effort involved in becoming a more attractive and confident guy.

Some of it is good advice, honestly. Stuff on body language especially and eye contact. Much of it is too much false promises and focuses too much on validation for lay counts.

But mostly, the guys got the best success by improving their style and fashion, working out and losing weight, becoming more social and getting out of the house, and getting more comfortable with women, of all kinds, not just possible dates, and being direct and forward with their romantic intentions. Many tried to the friends first angle and didn't know how to make their intentions clear.

There is a place for hetero male centered advice that doesn't veer into the creep territory. Sadly, the PUAs are great at marketing and promotion and that's what men without much dating success turn too, wasting thousands of dollars in the process.
 
what i learn from julien was the basic structure of pick up and afterwards getting massive mometum and immersed myself in it. i have never or rarely did cold approach. Talking to strangers scared the fuck out of me. On both the bootcamp i was able to pull but i was able to cum on a girls tits in alex bootcamp.

Julien the attractive asshole. ( when i mean attractive is not that he is good looking ) but he help me alot with attraction and hooking , brought te asshole side of me.. I can attract girls with the vibe of the 4 pillars . PIMP is a good product for new guys. help u step by step in the interaction. He is good at getting girls attention and keeping them. the girls get hook massive ATTRACTION . If u wanna be SUPER pick up man i would go for JUlIEN all the way. If you have masive social anxiety go for juien bootcamp he will break you and give u massive momentum .

But i just recently finish an alex bootcamp. for me its totally opposite of juliens game. . Alex natural method is being social , be safe and normal and have fun. Unless julien where you have to keep the girls attention. Alex is get the girls attention and if she wonders off its ok. As long as you get them ate front door. FDR. also just approach 4x while julien is the infinity rule meaning if you get blown out you keep reappraoching FOREVER unless he or another instructor points u to another girl. quote from julien ( i won't suck your dick , she is)

I was a massive julien fan, but now i am more into the natural instict. Alex's method is more realistic for me. Its the game i havebeen looking for and i now i am internalizing i am enough method Alex bootcamp and concept are realistic , though his videos sometime you may not understand but his GAME works. If i ever get a plateu i will take an Alex bootcamp again. PS , myles , frank , gio and valentino were great wings and helped me lot. Fun thing about bootcamp is meeting cool guys like them

What the fuck?
 
what i learn from julien was the basic structure of pick up and afterwards getting massive mometum and immersed myself in it. i have never or rarely did cold approach. Talking to strangers scared the fuck out of me. On both the bootcamp i was able to pull but i was able to cum on a girls tits in alex bootcamp.

Julien the attractive asshole. ( when i mean attractive is not that he is good looking ) but he help me alot with attraction and hooking , brought te asshole side of me.. I can attract girls with the vibe of the 4 pillars . PIMP is a good product for new guys. help u step by step in the interaction. He is good at getting girls attention and keeping them. the girls get hook massive ATTRACTION . If u wanna be SUPER pick up man i would go for JUlIEN all the way. If you have masive social anxiety go for juien bootcamp he will break you and give u massive momentum .

But i just recently finish an alex bootcamp. for me its totally opposite of juliens game. . Alex natural method is being social , be safe and normal and have fun. Unless julien where you have to keep the girls attention. Alex is get the girls attention and if she wonders off its ok. As long as you get them ate front door. FDR. also just approach 4x while julien is the infinity rule meaning if you get blown out you keep reappraoching FOREVER unless he or another instructor points u to another girl. quote from julien ( i won't suck your dick , she is)

I was a massive julien fan, but now i am more into the natural instict. Alex's method is more realistic for me. Its the game i havebeen looking for and i now i am internalizing i am enough method Alex bootcamp and concept are realistic , though his videos sometime you may not understand but his GAME works. If i ever get a plateu i will take an Alex bootcamp again. PS , myles , frank , gio and valentino were great wings and helped me a lot. Fun thing about bootcamp is meeting cool guys like them

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Well, no one wants to be a neckbeard fedora guy, so I guess they think being like this guy is ok.

Being respectful and friendly to others makes you a neckbeard fedora guy? I thought what made you a neckbeard fedora guy was only acting nice towards a girl and feeling like you deserve sex for acting that way as if it was a bloody video game.
 
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Fuck you Dennis~! :p

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You can't fool me anymore!

But mostly, the guys got the best success by improving their style and fashion, working out and losing weight, becoming more social and getting out of the house, and getting more comfortable with women, of all kinds, not just possible dates, and being direct and forward with their romantic intentions. Many tried to the friends first angle and didn't know how to make their intentions clear.

I feel like this is the best advice. When I moved Northeast, I was really shellshocked for a few years there, and a bit of a homebody. Now I realize there's so much opportunity to just go out and do things, either as a couple or on your own. You gotta focus on yourself first, then go from there. Not worry about it too much helps, too.
 
what i learn from julien was the basic structure of pick up and afterwards getting massive mometum and immersed myself in it. i have never or rarely did cold approach. Talking to strangers scared the fuck out of me. On both the bootcamp i was able to pull but i was able to cum on a girls tits in alex bootcamp.

Julien the attractive asshole. ( when i mean attractive is not that he is good looking ) but he help me alot with attraction and hooking , brought te asshole side of me.. I can attract girls with the vibe of the 4 pillars . PIMP is a good product for new guys. help u step by step in the interaction. He is good at getting girls attention and keeping them. the girls get hook massive ATTRACTION . If u wanna be SUPER pick up man i would go for JUlIEN all the way. If you have masive social anxiety go for juien bootcamp he will break you and give u massive momentum .

But i just recently finish an alex bootcamp. for me its totally opposite of juliens game. . Alex natural method is being social , be safe and normal and have fun. Unless julien where you have to keep the girls attention. Alex is get the girls attention and if she wonders off its ok. As long as you get them ate front door. FDR. also just approach 4x while julien is the infinity rule meaning if you get blown out you keep reappraoching FOREVER unless he or another instructor points u to another girl. quote from julien ( i won't suck your dick , she is)

I was a massive julien fan, but now i am more into the natural instict. Alex's method is more realistic for me. Its the game i havebeen looking for and i now i am internalizing i am enough method Alex bootcamp and concept are realistic , though his videos sometime you may not understand but his GAME works. If i ever get a plateu i will take an Alex bootcamp again. PS , myles , frank , gio and valentino were great wings and helped me a lot. Fun thing about bootcamp is meeting cool guys like them

Julien gets your attention

BUT Alex's teaching are the heart of the game
 
I despise the term "pick up artist." It's such a euphemism for what men like Julien really are - manipulative sexual predators.
 
Fuck you Dennis~! :p



You can't fool me anymore!



I feel like this is the best advice. When I moved Northeast, I was really shellshocked for a few years there, and a bit of a homebody. Now I realize there's so much opportunity to just go out and do things, either as a couple or on your own. You gotta focus on yourself first, then go from there.

Exactly, while the PUA stuff may get some one night stands here and there, just by pure effort, unless you look like Jabba the Hun or expect to only get supermodels, but it puts an unhealthy obsession with getting laid.

To be honest, some guys need to get that out of their system, hopefully in a consensual and safe manner, but many guys really don't and they try create this strange identity that doesn't really suit them and it's not authentic to who they are.
 
Being respectful and friendly to others makes you a neckbeard fedora guy? I thought what made you a neckbeard fedora guy was only acting nice towards a girl and feeling like you deserve sex for acting that way as if it was a bloody video game.

That person said nice and gentlemanly. Being respectful and a decent person actually implies you have a modicum of social skills. When I think of guys trying to be too gentlemanly I think of that stereotype.

A guy paying 3K for a boot camp on how to get laid falls within either extreme IMO.
 
I browsed a PUA message board once a few years ago, just to have a look at what they do. and it was mostly about acting self confident and advice on how to answer certain standard remarks girls tease you with, I dont think it was that bad. and certainly far from what this guy here does, which is nothing else than psychological and physical abuse. and yes, it probably works on many girls, we all know many girls like the self confident asshole. that doesnt make it any better.
 
He's quite clearly a sociopath. Stuff like this makes me feel pretty sane in comparison to some of the whacked out people in the world.
 
PUA is outcome dependent, to get something from a woman. That's inherently sleazy, but i'm not complaining.

All the other stuff is just to sell you on getting into it "be the best YOU!" LOL. The point is to attract the women that you want, not to teach virtues or how to simply be yourself past the point of illusion.
 
I browsed a PUA message board once a few years ago, just to have a look at what they do. and it was mostly about acting self confident and advice on how to answer certain standard remarks girls tease you with, I dont think it was that bad. and certainly far from what this guy here does, which is nothing else than psychological and physical abuse. and yes, it probably works on many girls, we all know many girls like the self confident asshole. that doesnt make it any better.

A lot of PUA stuff is harmless honestly. Although much ovepromises results.

There is some stuff that is borderline sexual assault in application.
 
I had turned to the PUA stuff like 6 years ago after a bad breakup. I looked at Tyler Durdens The Blueprint Decoded (of Real Social Dynamics) and it helped me out a fair bit. It was mostly about self confidence and being comfortable with yourself. In that sense it was more of a self-improvement video that tied into using that new found confidence to get girls, rather than the other techniques people usually associate with PUA.
 
Having not been very social due to a psycho [ex]wife and back-to-back deployments... it was daunting to get back out there. I pushed through the fear and put myself out there. It was obvious now that I had been ignoring some really crucial points about game as a whole (inner and outer). I made the decision to do some research. I read Neil's book a long time ago, so my exposure to all of this was from there. I looked back into it online, found RSD and immersed myself in it since it felt like I had a working knowledge of the principles; it didn't feel so foreign to me.

So let me get to the point already. A few months ago, I met a Columbian chick on POF. I'd say she's between a 6 and 7 depending on if she's talking or not. We met for coffee and went on a few weak ass dates. I'll take responsibility for that since I'm a man about it. I knew I wanted to close her but, she was feisty as fuck. Always shit-testing me before I even knew what that was. I guess I fared well since she still wanted to chill. I picked her up at some point in October for a day date. She got on my nerves and I dropped her off before we even made it to brunch or whatever weak ass plan I had then. I decided that she wasn’t worth the effort.

Later that month, I'm in Phoenix on business for about 2 months. I meet this 8.5 Israeli babe in the Scottsdale mall. This day, I was definitely in state and number closed her in 3 mins. The rest of the week, my text and phone game was on point with her. She couldn't wait for the weekend. I meet with her and stay on point with everything: conversation, escalation, push-pull. I take her back to bar in the hotel lobby. I kiss close her there. Knowing a bit about the culture, I trust my instinct. It’s telling me to display intent but not pull her that night. It worked. She met me the next weekend and we fucked the entire time.

When I headed back to Raleigh, the Israeli chick transferred there just to keep seeing me. I decided to start seeing her exclusively since she was only going to be in the states for a few months more and I genuinely liked her. When she leaves back to Tel Aviv, I hit up the Columbian chick to chill since everyone else I had lined up flaked for one reason or another. When I met her, that annoying personality reminded me why I stopped talking to her. Here's where RSD principles really showed their worth.

From the very onset, I decided that I was going to push past all obstacles and fuck her that night; that was number one. Number two was logistics. I live in an upscale apartment complex that is in a shopping plaza with a Ruth's Chris, Bella Mia, a fucking expensive women's shoes boutique blah blah blah... The biggest advantage is all the parking space. Follow me...

I tell the Columbian chick to meet me at the Ruth's Chris so she can park her car and I'll drive us in downtown and she can save on paying for parking. She agrees. We go downtown and its packed. Lines to get in at every bar. Since we left late, I feel we're wasting valuable drinking time and offer to take it back closer to where she parked. She agrees. We hit a small pub nearby and have a few drinks. We start talking about all kinds of bullshit and she starts shit-testing me again. I hold my frame. Unapologetic. Tearing her bullshit down to the last strand. We close down the bar and I offer to take her back to her car.

As we pull in, I switch it up and offer her coffee. She's confused. Then I reveal that I live in these very apartments, coincidentally. She agrees to come in for water. I get her inside and pour her wine instead. She tells me pointedly that we are not having sex. I tell her, that's fine and to just relax and enjoy herself. So she drinks. An hour later, I have her in my bed bullshitting with her. She tells me again, we're not having sex. I say, ok. I start caressing her, talking bullshit, grabbing her ass and she's in full blown LMR mode. I keep plowing through it with a smile on face and ramping up the escalation.

Another hour of this bullshit. Finally, she's resisting hard and gets extremely firm with saying "Stop. I'm serious. We are not having sex. I'm going to leave if you don't stop." I feel like an asshole because she's too drunk to drive so I say. “Ok. I'll stop but really, don't drive. Just sleep it off.” She feels content with this and lies there. Then I say this to her.

"Here's the thing: this is MY bed. If you're going to stay, you can sleep in the guest room."

She’s upset and says, "ok" gets up and storms off to the other room. 2 mins later, I hear her grabbing her keys and she says, "I'm leaving." I reply, "Drive safe!" She waits a minute then comes into the room asking me if I'm mad at her. I tell her, "Of course I'm not mad at you! I'm disappointed in you. I know you want to fuck me but you're over there playing stupid. But fuck it, I'm over it. Just drive safe, ok?" Then she walks over to the bed and asks me to explain why I'm disappointed in her. I tell her this:

"Look, you're here. You're in my bed. You knew the deal the entire night and you're obviously attracted to me. So what is your problem?"

She comes up with some typical I'm-not-a-slut reasoning and I tell her that I know she isn't. She says she's old fashioned and wants to date a while blah blah blah. I say, "we need to find out if there is chemistry here first. Before all that other shit." she asks "How? By having sex?" and I say, "Yes."

She resists a bit more but I just tell her to shut up and start kissing her. Clothes starts flying off and I'm smashing before you know it. She bounces in the morning and there's no awkward bullshit.

If I had defaulted to my old habits, I would've failed and miserably so. In this case, the right state of mind was key. I only envisioned success. The only other option was burning rapport with this chick down to the ashes. The outcome would only be one or the other and I was fine with either. I really hope this helps me build the momentum I need to build more references to grow to the next level.
 
The PUA stuff never resonated with me, mainly because while I had my hang ups with dating, I never felt comfortable taking advice from someone who does shit that Julien does.

Guys, if you can afford to pay for some bullshit camp, then pay for a therapist and talk to someone.

Saves you time, money, and you won't be accused of being a mysogynistic prick who's chasing after ass 24/7.
 
Even if that chart was just a joke and taken out of context, grabbing someone by the neck as a first impression is seriously fucked up. Kind of makes me think he agrees with that chart.
 
You mean getting sued for harassment and assault? Because that's what it is.

There are sadly some very stupid people in the world. I have two young female co-workers from upper-middle class families, and they were practically madly in love with another co-worker who regularly insulted them and even hinted sexual assault. I recall one saying that she knows he'd likely roofie her if he had the chance.

And they still adored him.
 
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