PUA coaches sexual assault, spawns twitter campaign (disturbing imagery)

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Kirosia said:
There are sadly some very stupid people in the world. I have two young female co-workers from upper-middle class families, and they were practically madly in love with another co-worker who regularly insulted them and even hinted sexual assault. I recall one saying that she knows he'd likely roofie her if he had the chance.

And they still adored him.
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Was he really good looking? I'm sure that helps.
 
Slayven said:
How about talking to women like they are people, not like a game you can win by pressing the right combo?
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This is a judgamental attitude that I never quite got. So being socially inept is being somehow evil, and being akward around the other sex amounts to hating women or thinking of them as lesser beings now? From my personal experience, that attitude of social phobia comes from the polar opposite mentality: thinking that everything that you do annoys and creep out other people... which in turn, makes you more uncomfortable and unintentionally creepy.
 
DoktorEvil said:
This guy reminds me of Dennis really badly.

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The Dennis system is like Kindergarten compared to this guy
 
Ikael said:
This is a judgamental attitude that I never quite got. So being socially inept is being somehow evil, and being akward around the other sex amounts to hating women or thinking of them as lesser beings now? From my personal experience, that attitude of social phobia comes from the polar opposite mentality: thinking that everything that you do annoys and creep out other people... which in turn, makes you more uncomfortable and unintentionally creepy.
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How did you get what you wrote from that post
 
Ikael said:
This is a judgamental attitude that I never quite got. So being socially inept is being somehow evil, and being akward around the other sex amounts to hating women or thinking of them as lesser beings now? From my personal experience, that attitude of social phobia comes from the polar opposite mentality: thinking that everything that you do annoys and creep out other people... which in turn, makes you more uncomfortable and unintentionally creepy.
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You've completely misread him. He was criticizing something specific (the idea that if you say the magic right things and do the magic right behaviors, sex falls out), and not social ineptness or awkwardness as such.

Try to read carefully before responding.
 
I'm pretty sure my wife would have tuned me up with an ASP baton if I did this when we started dating.
 
freenudemacusers said:
Having not been very social due to a psycho [ex]wife and back-to-back deployments... it was daunting to get back out there. I pushed through the fear and put myself out there. It was obvious now that I had been ignoring some really crucial points about game as a whole (inner and outer). I made the decision to do some research. I read Neil's book a long time ago, so my exposure to all of this was from there. I looked back into it online, found RSD and immersed myself in it since it felt like I had a working knowledge of the principles; it didn't feel so foreign to me.

So let me get to the point already. A few months ago, I met a Columbian chick on POF. I'd say she's between a 6 and 7 depending on if she's talking or not. We met for coffee and went on a few weak ass dates. I'll take responsibility for that since I'm a man about it. I knew I wanted to close her but, she was feisty as fuck. Always shit-testing me before I even knew what that was. I guess I fared well since she still wanted to chill. I picked her up at some point in October for a day date. She got on my nerves and I dropped her off before we even made it to brunch or whatever weak ass plan I had then. I decided that she wasn’t worth the effort.

Later that month, I'm in Phoenix on business for about 2 months. I meet this 8.5 Israeli babe in the Scottsdale mall. This day, I was definitely in state and number closed her in 3 mins. The rest of the week, my text and phone game was on point with her. She couldn't wait for the weekend. I meet with her and stay on point with everything: conversation, escalation, push-pull. I take her back to bar in the hotel lobby. I kiss close her there. Knowing a bit about the culture, I trust my instinct. It’s telling me to display intent but not pull her that night. It worked. She met me the next weekend and we fucked the entire time.

When I headed back to Raleigh, the Israeli chick transferred there just to keep seeing me. I decided to start seeing her exclusively since she was only going to be in the states for a few months more and I genuinely liked her. When she leaves back to Tel Aviv, I hit up the Columbian chick to chill since everyone else I had lined up flaked for one reason or another. When I met her, that annoying personality reminded me why I stopped talking to her. Here's where RSD principles really showed their worth.

From the very onset, I decided that I was going to push past all obstacles and fuck her that night; that was number one. Number two was logistics. I live in an upscale apartment complex that is in a shopping plaza with a Ruth's Chris, Bella Mia, a fucking expensive women's shoes boutique blah blah blah... The biggest advantage is all the parking space. Follow me...

I tell the Columbian chick to meet me at the Ruth's Chris so she can park her car and I'll drive us in downtown and she can save on paying for parking. She agrees. We go downtown and its packed. Lines to get in at every bar. Since we left late, I feel we're wasting valuable drinking time and offer to take it back closer to where she parked. She agrees. We hit a small pub nearby and have a few drinks. We start talking about all kinds of bullshit and she starts shit-testing me again. I hold my frame. Unapologetic. Tearing her bullshit down to the last strand. We close down the bar and I offer to take her back to her car.

As we pull in, I switch it up and offer her coffee. She's confused. Then I reveal that I live in these very apartments, coincidentally. She agrees to come in for water. I get her inside and pour her wine instead. She tells me pointedly that we are not having sex. I tell her, that's fine and to just relax and enjoy herself. So she drinks. An hour later, I have her in my bed bullshitting with her. She tells me again, we're not having sex. I say, ok. I start caressing her, talking bullshit, grabbing her ass and she's in full blown LMR mode. I keep plowing through it with a smile on face and ramping up the escalation.

Another hour of this bullshit. Finally, she's resisting hard and gets extremely firm with saying "Stop. I'm serious. We are not having sex. I'm going to leave if you don't stop." I feel like an asshole because she's too drunk to drive so I say. “Ok. I'll stop but really, don't drive. Just sleep it off.” She feels content with this and lies there. Then I say this to her.

"Here's the thing: this is MY bed. If you're going to stay, you can sleep in the guest room."

She’s upset and says, "ok" gets up and storms off to the other room. 2 mins later, I hear her grabbing her keys and she says, "I'm leaving." I reply, "Drive safe!" She waits a minute then comes into the room asking me if I'm mad at her. I tell her, "Of course I'm not mad at you! I'm disappointed in you. I know you want to fuck me but you're over there playing stupid. But fuck it, I'm over it. Just drive safe, ok?" Then she walks over to the bed and asks me to explain why I'm disappointed in her. I tell her this:

"Look, you're here. You're in my bed. You knew the deal the entire night and you're obviously attracted to me. So what is your problem?"

She comes up with some typical I'm-not-a-slut reasoning and I tell her that I know she isn't. She says she's old fashioned and wants to date a while blah blah blah. I say, "we need to find out if there is chemistry here first. Before all that other shit." she asks "How? By having sex?" and I say, "Yes."

She resists a bit more but I just tell her to shut up and start kissing her. Clothes starts flying off and I'm smashing before you know it. She bounces in the morning and there's no awkward bullshit.

If I had defaulted to my old habits, I would've failed and miserably so. In this case, the right state of mind was key. I only envisioned success. The only other option was burning rapport with this chick down to the ashes. The outcome would only be one or the other and I was fine with either. I really hope this helps me build the momentum I need to build more references to grow to the next level.
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damn son. that's good. the tone, the prose.

evil is casual.
 
Ikael said:
This is a judgamental attitude that I never quite got. So being socially inept is being somehow evil, and being akward around the other sex amounts to hating women or thinking of them as lesser beings now? From my personal experience, that attitude of social phobia comes from the polar opposite mentality: thinking that everything that you do annoys and creep out other people... which in turn, makes you more uncomfortable and unintentionally creepy.
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How is saying that women should be treated with the basic respect that humans deserve being judgmental?
 
Ikael said:
This is a judgamental attitude that I never quite got. So being socially inept is being somehow evil, and being akward around the other sex amounts to hating women or thinking of them as lesser beings now? From my personal experience, that attitude of social phobia comes from the polar opposite mentality: thinking that everything that you do annoys and creep out other people... which in turn, makes you more uncomfortable and unintentionally creepy.
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Hormones can make it hard to talk to the opposite sex. That doesn't mean the opposite sex isn't human or doesn't deserve to be treated like a human. Talking to half of the human population in a manner that is abusive and only for the chance at having sex isn't treating them like a human.
 
Mumei said:
freenudemacusers, stop.
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This is all too weird for me. I've never had problems getting dates or meeting people. Just being myself and being confident. It's weird to see how methodical and planned out this is for some serial daters playing the "game". I uh this is crazy. My mind can't begin to comprehend any of this.

I know some are joking. But that this is an actual thing is just crazy.

Edit: I guess I just don't understand pick up artists. I see no problem with someone wanting to improve their social ability and how they date. But some of this is mind blowingly weird to me.
 
Apparently this guy is considered a sociopath in the PUA community as well, just by researching him on Google.

Think about that for a minute lol.

It seems he's a huge draw for the PUA company he works for, though, which may make him untouchable.
 
Will have to read the articles when I get home from work. This guy seems to use physical harassment as his USP for his seminars. To me, PUA is very much an industry, and it seems like the market is flooded with supply. Different "instructors" that sell seminars are probably looking for ways to differentiate themselves and push more sales for their product.

I don't agree with what this guy is doing at all, let me say that. I'd love to dive deeper into this later. I find PUA and the industry centred around it oddly fascinating. Not for the commodity being sold, but the participants themselves.
 
freenudemacusers said:
She comes up with some typical I'm-not-a-slut reasoning and I tell her that I know she isn't. She says she's old fashioned and wants to date a while blah blah blah. I say, "we need to find out if there is chemistry here first. Before all that other shit." she asks "How? By having sex?" and I say, "Yes."
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Heh, the most overused line from every guy who has wanted to sleep with a resistant woman has ever said.
 
I don't think he realizes that most of these women are terrified rather than aroused when being manhandled like that.

That, or he does and just doesn't give a damn.
 
entrement said:
Apparently this guy is considered a sociopath in the PUA community as well, just by researching him on Google.

Think about that for a minute lol.

It seems he's a huge draw for the PUA company he works for, though, which may make him untouchable.
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I guess I was on spot with the Dennis comparison. I really wish I was wrong.
 
People fucking pay to see this guy speak at seminars?

So people read some of this guys stuff and think, "Yeah, he seems like he has the right idea" ?
 
Does he have tour dates in any Canadian cities? I would like to try to do what I can to stop any instances of him touring in Canada.
 
Earthstrike said:
Does he have tour dates in any Canadian cities? I would like to try to do what I can to stop any instances of him touring in Canada.
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Pretty sure they do.

They're the biggest PUA seminar company around.

It's called Real Social Dynamics. He might not lead them. They have various coaches.
 
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Lets replace that with one of the "students" of a "PUA class".

Then things begin to get really frightening.
 
LaunchpadMcQ said:
As someone who has been exposed to a decent amount of PUA material, this is disgusting. I never looked into RSD specifically, but this gives the entire PUA community a terrible name; the reality is not even close to being like this. It's a community that's supposed to value confidence and presenting your best self, not sleaziness or creepiness, and definitely not this rape or even gimmicky shit. What I mean by gimmicks is that there are some that advocate physical contact openers (best way to describe it is just "moves", example) which I just don't really agree with. I feel like Julien took this shit too far and that graphic is complete and utter horseshit. I would hope that's a joke that's just in poor taste.
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It doesn't matter if this represents everyone (and I'm tired of that excuse being used time and time again), there are enough of them out there, and they're so visible, that it's a problem.
 
Any attention this dude gets from this is validation in his mind, I'm sure. If a guy criticizes him they must be jealous, if a woman criticizes him they're just lying to themselves and really want it. There's really no way to reason with people like this.
 
You know, being a gentleman is hard sometimes, Ive failed many more than I've succeeded, but every time I get the girl, its worth it.

Id rather stay a single virgin than treating a girl like that poster claims he did. To me, that's the ultimate failure as a man.

*tips Fedora*

No, really, I mean
it.
 
Ikael said:
This is a judgamental attitude that I never quite got. So being socially inept is being somehow evil, and being akward around the other sex amounts to hating women or thinking of them as lesser beings now? From my personal experience, that attitude of social phobia comes from the polar opposite mentality: thinking that everything that you do annoys and creep out other people... which in turn, makes you more uncomfortable and unintentionally creepy.
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I'm not sure how, or why, you got offended by the post you responded to.
 
Earthstrike said:
Does he have tour dates in any Canadian cities? I would like to try to do what I can to stop any instances of him touring in Canada.
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Right now he's going to Australia and Japan. People got a hotel to drop him in Australia and they're compiling a list of other venues. Some people are also contacting their Japanese embassy to get him blocked from the country. Look up the hashtag #takedownjulienblanc on twitter for more info.
 
kame-sennin said:
Right now he's going to Australia and Japan. People got a hotel to drop him in Australia and they're compiling a list of other venues. Some people are also contacting their Japanese embassy to get him blocked from the country. Look up the hashtag #takedownjulienblanc on twitter for more info.
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Wouldn't it make more sense to just cut off the head, as in find a way to get rid of RSD altogether?

A guy like Julien seems like he's an *IC, so doing this campaign will only have another guy who's not drawn the ire of social media to rise up and take his place.

*Independent Contractor*
 
Mumei said:
You've completely misread him. He was criticizing something specific (the idea that if you say the magic right things and do the magic right behaviors, sex falls out), and not social ineptness or awkwardness as such.

Try to read carefully before responding.
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I will, thank you for the kind warning :)
 
Not that I've attended to any of those classes, but I remember when PUA sites and forums became in vogue and most of them were about gaining some self-confidence and teaching people to sell themselves with the right words and attitude, even if it came at the cost of "faking" your own character.

It seems to me that this new, fantastic crop of hyper-agressive douchelords have grown out of the necessity of being noticed in a sea of competitors. Either that or they are just trying to appeal to those resentful young men who keep complaining about nice guys finishing last and asshats bagging all the desirable girls.
 
Funky Papa said:
Not that I've attended to any of those classes, but I remember when PUA sites and forums became in vogue and most of them were about gaining some self-confidence and teaching people to sell themselves with the right words and attitude, even if it came at the cost of "faking" your own character.

It seems to me that this new, fantastic crop of hyper-agressive douchelords have grown out of the necessity of being noticed in a sea of competitors. Either that or they are just trying to appeal to those resentful young men who keep complaining about nice guys finishing last and asshats bagging all the desirable girls.
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A lot of these guys are quite vulnerable and impressionable too. The douchelords are preying on them.

I do think there is a need for some sort of dating/self confidence classes, but ones without this bullshit and undertones.
 
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