What is your source for this info?
Halo 5 beta clips leak (sprint, ADS is *not* COD-style) (more clips and info added)
- Thread starter DopeyFish
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Already tried to say thus, they aren't listening.
The only thing on this chart that we know is true about Halo 5 is the fact that the weapon is visible.
Edit: There is even specific visual evidence that there is no accuracy penalty when you look at the reticule.
It is possible to have ADS with all the stuff on the left (minus visible weapon, that's better anyways)Threw this together
Hopefully it makes sense now why this is either a bad change or a completely pointless one.
So you think Microsoft is pushing ADS. What would make you think they would want to change anything, if Halo is selling well, why change anything. I'm more inclined to believe they would take less risks honestly. I think they have a say, but I doubt they there stating put ADS in Halo.
PsihoPerihelion
Member
Meh. Just give me a classic playlist and a separate "you can use ADS, sprint, perks and other shit" playlist and I'll be fine.
And there's actually a perk in Advanced Warfare that lets you shoot while sprinting.
Compsiox
Banned
Call of Duty
It won't work, Halo flow is impossible with ADS. If you want to slow down and shoot because you can't move and shoot at the same time, play another franchise. Make a Halo game, and let your skill based Matchmaking cater to lesser skilled players by putting them in games with other lesser skilled players. Don't fundamentally change your game to cater to them, they can learn the game and get better like every other Halo fan did, or stop playing the game.
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
Well whats your definition of core gameplay? I always thought it was the trinity? Which has remained essentially the same. Secondly games NEED to evolve. Just like any other industry. You cannot stay stale. You have to innovate. Halo needs to be innovative. H1 and H2 were very innovative. They introduced a lot of new concepts or just did it better than everyone else.
What you guys are looking for is that feeling of innovation. 343 for better or worse are trying to find that again. Going back to the innovative solutions that H2 and H1 provided isn't the answer. This is 2014. Halo needs to solve shooter stagnation for 2014. You cant be innovative in this industry by doing THE SAME THING. If Halo did the SAME thing we wouldn't have had H1 or H2.
Like I said the answer may not be mechanics that are familiar to COD it's definitely NOT what you guys think. If you want to play those games play MCC.
Agreed. It's a cool story explanation for full screen zoom and it's too bad it'll likely be written off in Halo 5.
This is amazing!
killer rin
Member
Perfect.Threw this together
Hopefully it makes sense now why this is either a bad change or a completely pointless one.
Thee is more meaningful ways that you can modify the game to freshen it up without destroying every aspect of the core mechanics.
Like i said in previous threads, AA and powerups can be rolled together into oddball skulls. You get the ability but you forfeit your weapon. Plays into previous games, freshens things up, doesn't make it OP and it rolls into map control.
You can make the environment more dynamic. You can add new weaponry to correct balance. You can alter game modes to make them more interesting.
Halo has gone from a very complex objective based game in Halo 2 with very engaging gunfights and evade tactics to basic objectives with sprint and shooting someone down at the end of your barrel.
Instead of thinking outside of the box they are just saying "fuck it, let's make a new box"
Vire
Member
WHY ZOOM IS DIFFERENT THAN AIM DOWN SIGHTS:
ADS is a fundamentally different mechanic and it's worth explaining in here since people don't seem to understand.
Zoom:
1. Does not change movement speed (decrease speed) of the character
2. Does not add any additions stat bonuses to the accuracy of the shot
3. Obscures peripheral vision and gives reason to switch to hip fire shots
4. Players can become "de-scoped" when shot
Aim Down Sights:
1. Changes the movement speed of the player (decreases when aiming)
2. Adds additional stat bonuses to the accuracy of the shot
3. Does not obscure peripheral vision
4. Players do not lose their scope when hit
ADS is a fundamentally different mechanic and it's worth explaining in here since people don't seem to understand.
Zoom:
1. Does not change movement speed (decrease speed) of the character
2. Does not add any additions stat bonuses to the accuracy of the shot
3. Obscures peripheral vision and gives reason to switch to hip fire shots
4. Players can become "de-scoped" when shot
Aim Down Sights:
1. Changes the movement speed of the player (decreases when aiming)
2. Adds additional stat bonuses to the accuracy of the shot
3. Does not obscure peripheral vision
4. Players do not lose their scope when hit
Twilight Gap
Member
Yes it is, but it breaks cannon and still obstructs the player's vision.
Pointless if you ask me.
jailbird20022
Banned
Then why even bother saying that if you have no creative control of the game, doesn't really add up.
TriStateTryHard
Member
Even the red dot sight isn't happy about this. Look at the sad little frownie face it has.
Chezzymann
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Have we actually seen all of that in the clip or are we just assuming its like COD?
I agree lol.
Lockjaw333
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Threw this together
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Hahaha wow.
Never change GAF!
PerezDeCorcho
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I don't know how you got all of that information out of that clip.Threw this together
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Threw this together
Hopefully it makes sense now why this is either a bad change or a completely pointless one.
Awesome. Posting this everywhere I can.
Masterz117
Banned
If you cut out the energy sword part of that clip and told me it was Advanced Warfare gameplay, I would believe you. The jerky sprint animations are the same.
Lucent
Member
I think we're just assuming we know everything from a small clip.
If canon had the gun vanishing despite the scope placed near the butt of the gun then Canon was broken anyways. It never made sense to me and at least this way is more realistic.
Plus the reticle stays the same between the RDS and the hipfire in the video so there's nothing suggesting they changed anything but the aesthetics.
Because they do in fact WANT to make good Halo, and so they say so. But in the end Microsoft's objective is clear: make Halo into CoD in the hopes that it will become as big as CoD, only exclusive to Microsoft platforms. And they can simply fire people until Halo is CoD.
Threw this together
Hopefully it makes sense now why this is either a bad change or a completely pointless one.
We can't tell all that from a six second video, can we?
Kids nowadays have grown up with ADS, so as a cosmetic change it makes sense. Hell, I showed Goldeneye to my cousin and he was by its "bizarre zoom". Kid's damn smart, he ended up loving it.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Well fuck ._.
Twilight Gap
Member
The left is how Halo works. The right is how ADS works in most games.
If anything on the right is changed for the inclusion of ADS in Halo 5, then it loses its reason for existing in the first place when the left side does what ADS does better in Halo.
Jedi Otter
Member
Please don't. We don't need inconclusive information spreading.
Latvian Hitman
Member
No, what most of us would like is for 343i to keep Halo's core combat loop intact and find other ways to innovate and keep the series fresh.
You're riding in here on the high road wanting to know what we think those innovations should be. That's 343's fucking job, not ours. Wow us. Innovate. Show us something that isn't a copy/paste job from mainstream military shooters. Show us something that makes sense within Halo's combat loop and sandbox.
We covered all of this at H4's launch and after its subsequent crash and burn. Now, apparently, here we are again...
It's a pretty big extrapolation considering no one here has played it. I'll wait and see how it turns out.
Or i don't know he explain what is the different between the two for people who don't know and keep whinning halo 2 also have ADS ?
Fata1moose
Banned
This is nothing more than desperation to reel in CoD fans. It's been illustrated why ADS don't work in Halo, this isn't a twitch shooter, the kill times are longer and with jumping, strafing and Halo's overall movement a player is just going to move out of your LOS and render ADS pointless/impairing. The only way to alleviate this would be vastly altering Halo to play more like a twitch shooter. Do we really want to see more stagnation in this genre, Remember that picture of CoD Battlefield and Killzone side by side and it's basically identical? That's no less a problem today since that was created. Halo actually felt unique among the sea of LT+RT game play that the FPS genre has been limited to, now it's going to lose it's identity.
I'll gladly stick with the MCC if this remains the case, hopefully 343 will get feedback that we don't want ADS in Halo and it'll be changed. That's what an actual beta next month is for after all.
I'll gladly stick with the MCC if this remains the case, hopefully 343 will get feedback that we don't want ADS in Halo and it'll be changed. That's what an actual beta next month is for after all.
Hispanic! At the Disco
Member
he's comparing previous Halo game's scopes to traditional ADS. He got none of that info from the clip.
Is Master Chief dying? D:
Capta--eerr Chief goes down with his ship?
Compsiox
Banned
AWESOME!
shacklesmcgee
Member
Man, I can't believe there's a 22 page thread the day before the beta releases, with the collective notion of "god damnit 343 you fucked up Halo again"
How do you fuck this up so badly AGAIN after months(years) of fucking up and saying "trust us, we know what we're doing"
How do you fuck this up so badly AGAIN after months(years) of fucking up and saying "trust us, we know what we're doing"
Why emulate a series that is in decline sales wise? I can (sorta) understand doing it during prime of CoD popularity.
The classic Halo games are wonderful, and in my opinion better games than any CoD. But my insignificant opinion aside. I still dont get why they are following the rest of the herd, when they can be something slightly unique in a already crowded genre.
The classic Halo games are wonderful, and in my opinion better games than any CoD. But my insignificant opinion aside. I still dont get why they are following the rest of the herd, when they can be something slightly unique in a already crowded genre.
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Hopefully it makes sense now why this is either a bad change or a completely pointless one.
Umm... Did you make this? If so, I cannot help but get the feeling you've completely MISSED the possibility that this ADS is nothing but a redesign of the classic scope... I've watched the clip probably 50 times +, and noticed no movement speed reduction when the person looks through the scope, and although its just a second of hip fire shooting we get to see, the recoil from the hip and the scope seem to be exactly the same.
No I could be wrong, its just from observation, and the quality of the clip and duration doesn't make it any easier, but yes your list is correct. But adding that little scope picture from the clip, under the ADS list makes it seem that everything you listed is true in the clip, which is not the case (well from what I've observed).
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
Exactly. What's being described in that image is COD ADS. Not Halo ADS. He doesnt have any idea what Halo ADS is.
ADS can be done a multitude of ways. Just because its been done the same over and over doesn't mean 343 arent approaching it differently.