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Hello everyone in GAF world :)

I don't usually frequent Off-Topic stuff, but there is only so much Gaming stuff I can read :P

Long story short, I have a heap of things I would like to put out there, talk about, get some feedback on. But, as a major over-thinker, I feel like I should just give a heads up first and break it into parts.

Back story:
I am Male, 27, live in Australia. I don't really do conventional, but I am human and follow the basics of society. The past couple years have been the biggest time of growth for me as a person, hence why next phase is weighing heavily on me...

Recent:
About 2 months ago, my partner (at the time) and I decided to go our separate ways. We were in a serious relationship for 6 years, the first serious one for us both, and it included living together for about 90-95% of that time. A bit of a Ying and Yang of personalities, but it worked, we went through a lot of testing experiences together, a lot of firsts.

It was a mutual thing, and, ironically enough, the first really serious mature adult conversation(s) we had about feelings/relationships. She moved out about 2 weeks after the decision and we keep in touch here and there (she took our 2 dogs, I kept the cat), friendly and mature like :)

(To avoid a wall of text, I'll save the next part for after, if anyone has time to listen)

I want to hear the rest! Why you gotta tease me like that, Gingerlicious? ;)
 
I know I'm probably overthinking things but would texting her tonight just asking how her day was seem too needy or what.
Not picking on you in particular, but I feel like I see this phrase a lot here. We - and I include myself here - sure are awfully concerned about never seeming too vulnerable, huh? I know, desperation is a turn off, and I agree that it is, but sometimes I think we overcorrect.
 
Uhh.... So me and my ex are taking things slow, but she wants to keep the last guy around as friends... I told her he doesn't have the same intentions as she does, even though he promised her he wouldn't make a move. Do I need to make an ultimatum? I really love this girl but don't wanna screw things up
 
I disagree. I can't say with certainty that this is what happened that night, but its a possibility. The guys probably went with the girl hoping to get with her. They probably bought her drinks in hopes of this. This is what they did wrong, basically being typical douches who try to exchange drinks for fun times. Its sleezy and I always feel sorry for women who have to deal with it.

The girl, however, also did something wrong. From the looks of it she was attention-whoring and using her looks to get stuff. In a sense she was exploiting her friends. Also, personally, I'd think it very rude if a female I was going clubbing with left me to hook up with another guy. When I go with girls I know I don't even try meeting any new girls. That's just me.

Basically, I think both the guys and the girl screwed up in different ways. Of course, its not anyone's business to tell them to grow a pair.

From the sound of things, especially the way he was pitying them, has me thinking of basic "nice guys". Not the kind of guys that are nice, but the ones that think being nice is what it takes to get a girl. That's a sort of ignorance. He painted a picture of a girl getting drinks from her friends, that wanted to get with her, but then blew them off. The way they're clueless about what she's doing isn't attractive, but when they're friends and are there together, it paints the picture of friends who wants more. I see nothing immoral about thinking that way, but for her to placate them like that, is something I don't like.

That's why I say I don't think they're doing anything wrong. Many a 'nice guy' might feel frustrated, but it's understandable, because they think logic melds with feelings. They need to figure that out.
 
I want to hear the rest! Why you gotta tease me like that, Gingerlicious? ;)

Alrighty.

Recent to Current
Ok, so my ex-partner and I decide to go our separate ways, she moves out within a couple weeks of this.

Now, at work (I work in Hospitality, Front of House, a vast majority of the other stuff are female at my work place too), one of the ladies who works B.O.H (I'll call her M) has been pretty flirty with me and we have caught up for drinks in the past.

A pretty well established friendship is there, but until this point it has just been a non-judgmental share/chat thing. The second I mention being "single", she propositions me with a "No strings attached, bit of fun" arrangement. Now some back story being the fact she is very comfortable with her sexuality and is most definitely "experienced" as I like to put it.

At this point I just roll with it. And this has been going on for the past 6 or so weeks, it felt really weird at first, purely for the whole jumping straight to intimacy/sex thing (I was honestly feeling pretty numb feelings wise, after the whole breaking up experience).

Current
Now this is the bit I really want to share and get some different views on, so any input is much appreciated.

Since all of this transition, I have had two (other) offers of ladies I work with setting me up with friends (who have nothing to do with the work place) for a bit of fun / companionship.

Since starting work I have built a strong friendship with one lady, as a BFF. She is getting married early next year and we are both on the same page about what our relationship entails etc She is my to-go for women questions / opinions :) (Let's call her T)

I haven't taken either of them up on it, because I have been limited time wise and have been organizing my own things with a lady and just going with the flow on that. Now a preface is that I am a firm believer in "No expectations, no disappointment " and in general I am very open, honest and blunt.

The lady in question, lets call her L and I already have a really good thing going within a work context. We work really well together, have the same sense of humour (a massive deal for me) and are on the same wave-length in general.

But, she is really big on keeping work and home totally separate. So in the year I have worked with her, we have done very little "getting to know you" time outside of work. I pretty much mentally put her in the "out of your league / don't pursue" zone to help me stay on track.

Up until recently, we had only really gone out on a big group dinner, that I had organised, because we are 3 days apart in age and she didn't have any Birthday stuff planned.

That was until a couple weeks ago. Once she learned that I was well and truly done with my previous relationship, she at least let me share some stuff with her at work.

One day we both finished up at the same time and she suggested with go join a couple other ladies for after-work drinks (one of which is the M lady I have a FWB arrangement with, but no one at work besides my BFF T know about that). We go get changed, come back, and they have gone home. She just says "Oh well, I'll buy you a beer". We grab and drink and sit down for a proper one-on-one chat.

At this point she knows I have a heap on my mind and is really encouraging in me getting all out, although I did want to take the opportunity to get to know her and more importantly know if she felt comfortable doing so with me. I have a bit of a vent and she chimes in with previous relationship things she can relate on etc etc

This whole D'n'M talk goes on for a few hours, at one point I did apologize, once for talking her ear off and thank her for being so supportive and an overall cool Lady-Bro (as I call it, haha). We walk out to the car park and she gives me a big hug, of which this the first time she has been touchy/feely at all with anyone from work (it is otherwise pretty common at my work place, for me anyway).

And she finished with "Well that was a good first date" (we had talked about going out for dinner sometime, post me venting) and I mention about doing it again sometime soon.

Now
Last week I touched base with her, after missing a chance at work, and just offered her the follow up dinner. She went with it without hesitation and wasn't fussed where (I did ask :P). I offered her a lift (she is on P plates, which means she can't have alcohol and drive for non-Aussies), no pressure, she just lives one town over and could have a drink. She politely declined and reminded me that she rarely drinks anyway (not to mention she is very independent / self sufficient).

I booked something in, got to the day (I worked, she didn't), checked she was all good, and she just said where to and she would meet me there. I mentioned the place (hoping it was alright) and she said she was really keen to go back there / knew what it is like. My BFF T had joked around with me before hand, saying "Oh, well that place is a bit romantic." and asked me whether or not it was a *date* date or just a friend catch up, to which I answered "I don't know, and I am not fussed, just going with the flow".

The whole dinner went really well, no awkwardness at all, no bailing even when the chance presented itself. We shared a lot about each other, and I got to know the "real" her a fair bit. This lady, L, is very close with her Mum/Sister and she joked that when her Sister wanted to come along she told her "Why don't you go do something with your own boyfriend". We ended up staying until they closed (yes, we were those people) and I walked her out to her car. Ended with a big hug (you know the difference) and she gave me a kiss on the cheek.

During the night we talked about going out again, she had a suggestion for a place she would love to go to me with. Just before leaving I thanked her for a good night/her company and she we should do it again sometime, to which she replied "Yes! *insert the place we talked*"

Now, unless I am completely missing something, would everyone call that a *date*? I mean, she admitted to being a bit socially awkward, and I am fairly observant. But I got good vibes from all of this.

Last night I spoke to her a bit online, and as much as I hate text talk, it is convenient sometimes. As part of my self-improvement, I have been working really hard on being able to communicate effectively on all levels and be able to share how I feel (instead of internalising everything and getting frustrated, a bit part of the previous relationship degrading). The bit I get self-conscious about and over-analyse is when I give her compliments and share how I feel. Ended up sort of saying sorry being awkward/sappy and she joked it off saying "Aren't we all sometimes?"

So GAF, what say ye? Am I completely clueless about modern dating, or should I just keep pressing on? (The underlying thing being that at the very least I will end up with a really close friend out of this, but I don't want mixed feelings/grey areas)
 
Uhh.... So me and my ex are taking things slow, but she wants to keep the last guy around as friends... I told her he doesn't have the same intentions as she does, even though he promised her he wouldn't make a move. Do I need to make an ultimatum? I really love this girl but don't wanna screw things up

Wait, are you saying you are getting *back* together with your ex or am I miss-reading that. Well from my experience, depending on how this lady and her former ended their thing, it could be a dangerous temptation for her / him. I literally just had this situation come up tonight, except it is my ex and she is starting to date as am I.

Without setting up a dinner with any sinister intentions, I knew that if she came over for a catch up (we broke up about 7 weeks ago, completely mutual and healthy conclusion) there was a chance the former fire could be stoked, now with no strings attached. She politely declined, but said she was very very tempted, just wanted to be a "good girl" and at least give this guy she is sort of starting to date a chance first.

So I don't blame you for being suspicious, as long as you clearly communicate the fact it doesn't make you feel comfortable, that's all you can do to start with.
 
Just depends on the girl. I hit it off with a a girl from Pof a while back. We hit it off rather well and I assumed after a few weeks of dating that we were doing something exclusive, even though she wasn't ready for a relationship. She ended up informing me she was seeing another guy and taking it slow with him too...

So I'm working on things with my ex. She left a guy she was seeing for a few weeks to give us a shot. The problem is, he sent her flowers tonight at her work. She doesn't see it as a problem cause she claims they're just "friends" now. It makes me paranoid, and worse, he's coming by her house to borrow her dads trailer tomorrow. How do I tell her I'm comfortable with this, without pushing her away or looking too jealous? She's telling me I have nothing to worry about and that she wants us to work out.

I pretty much put it all on her tonight. I told her I don't feel comfortable with her seeing him. If she really wants to see where our future goes, there can't be an obstacle. She told me I'm being unfair but she's gonna talk to him, she just doesn't want to hurt him. But, someone's always gonna get hurt in this situation

Uhh.... So me and my ex are taking things slow, but she wants to keep the last guy around as friends... I told her he doesn't have the same intentions as she does, even though he promised her he wouldn't make a move. Do I need to make an ultimatum? I really love this girl but don't wanna screw things up

So, you dated a girl for a few weeks. She was seeing another guy at the same time, despite you thinking it was exclusive. At the same time she said she wasn't ready for a relationship. He sent flowers. But she says they're "just friends"?

I'm going to be perfectly blunt with you, here. This raises every single red flag I can think of. You're put off-balance by her actions, she's keeping them up, despite you having said so. She dated this guy, and dated him over you. She did so while you thought you were exclusive, and she's kept you at bay by saying she wasn't ready for a relationship. She's going back and forth, you dated for a few weeks. Everything is just wrong. You will get hurt if you pursue this. This is my interpretation of it, and I'll gladly elaborate if you want me to. This just is not a good situation. She's not set on you. She knows he wants to be with her, but she bullshits herself and you by saying they're 'just friends'. If she was set on you, he wouldn't have been a problem in the first place. If she's set on you, now, she wouldn't do this to you, especially considering the flowers and such. She might be set on you, but she keeps him around because she's afraid of not having him to fall back on. She's not mature enough to take a chance on you. The whole "doesn't want to hurt him" shtick is a classic distraction to exactly that point.

It won't work.
 

Well nobody has responded yet so I will:

In my opinion, those are dates. It doesn't matter what we think though because she could have an entirely different opinion on what a date is than any of us do. Unfortunately you have to ask her, not us.

You seem relaxed and very go with the flow; so why slap a label on it if you don't have to? Sounds like you aren't totally craving a relationship, but would be OK if a friendship went there, so just roll with it. Let her tell you in due time. Unless I'm missing the fact that you don't want a relationship and don't want her to be confused? In that case just lay it out there before it goes further.
 
Well nobody has responded yet so I will:

In my opinion, those are dates. It doesn't matter what we think though because she could have an entirely different opinion on what a date is than any of us do. Unfortunately you have to ask her, not us.

You seem relaxed and very go with the flow; so why slap a label on it if you don't have to? Sounds like you aren't totally craving a relationship, but would be OK if a friendship went there, so just roll with it. Let her tell you in due time. Unless I'm missing the fact that you don't want a relationship and don't want her to be confused? In that case just lay it out there before it goes further.

Thanks, I appreciate the input.

It's more that I get a bit nervous with feeling either too assertive or "needy" with getting clarification. I am fully aware, that in general, Women are more subtle and Men are typically more responsive to "black and white" positions.

So I am trying not to over-analyse or read into anything that I can't comfortably ask point-blank / bluntly (even though generally that is how my personality is) in regards to this topic in fear of fucking up the whole situation instead of just enjoying the moment to moment stuff.

As far as moving into relationship territory, deep down I am school-girl giddy at the thought of it, because of the really strong connection this Lady and I had from day one (which has gotten stronger since knocking down the not-single / work barriers), but I am not obsessing over it or expecting it to go that way.
 
So, you dated a girl for a few weeks. She was seeing another guy at the same time, despite you thinking it was exclusive. At the same time she said she wasn't ready for a relationship. He sent flowers. But she says they're "just friends"?

I'm going to be perfectly blunt with you, here. This raises every single red flag I can think of. You're put off-balance by her actions, she's keeping them up, despite you having said so. She dated this guy, and dated him over you. She did so while you thought you were exclusive, and she's kept you at bay by saying she wasn't ready for a relationship. She's going back and forth, you dated for a few weeks. Everything is just wrong. You will get hurt if you pursue this. This is my interpretation of it, and I'll gladly elaborate if you want me to. This just is not a good situation. She's not set on you. She knows he wants to be with her, but she bullshits herself and you by saying they're 'just friends'. If she was set on you, he wouldn't have been a problem in the first place. If she's set on you, now, she wouldn't do this to you, especially considering the flowers and such. She might be set on you, but she keeps him around because she's afraid of not having him to fall back on. She's not mature enough to take a chance on you. The whole "doesn't want to hurt him" shtick is a classic distraction to exactly that point.

It won't work.

No. She's my ex. We dated for about 6 months. We had a break up, nothing major. We started a few weeks ago and she wants to start over and take things slow. She still wants him as a friend(they've dated for 3 weeks), even though it's obvious he wants more. Would an ultimatum work in this situation?
 
No. She's my ex. We dated for about 6 months. We had a break up, nothing major. We started a few weeks ago and she wants to start over and take things slow. She still wants him as a friend(they've dated for 3 weeks), even though it's obvious he wants more

It's still self-deception to keep him around. You're still put off-balance by her actions and she's not doing anything to remedy that. It's a very shaky ground to start anything on, and you'll be second guessing every move, while she keeps both pieces in play. It still raises a ton of red flags.
 
It's still self-deception to keep him around. You're still put off-balance by her actions and she's not doing anything to remedy that. It's a very shaky ground to start anything on, and you'll be second guessing every move, while she keeps both pieces in play. It still raises a ton of red flags.


I agree. So what does she get out of this? A safety net to fall back on?
 

really enjoyed reading your situation.. Almost felt like I was in a movie.

I think that dinner was definitely a date. The kiss on the cheek was a good sign, and also a sign that she wants to take things slow (which is also good). Stick with it and keep us updated!
 
Thanks, I appreciate the input.

It's more that I get a bit nervous with feeling either too assertive or "needy" with getting clarification. I am fully aware, that in general, Women are more subtle and Men are typically more responsive to "black and white" positions.

So I am trying not to over-analyse or read into anything that I can't comfortably ask point-blank / bluntly (even though generally that is how my personality is) in regards to this topic in fear of fucking up the whole situation instead of just enjoying the moment to moment stuff.

As far as moving into relationship territory, deep down I am school-girl giddy at the thought of it, because of the really strong connection this Lady and I had from day one (which has gotten stronger since knocking down the not-single / work barriers), but I am not obsessing over it or expecting it to go that way.

You already know what to do and have said it multiple times. It'll play itself out and if she never brings it up there will come a time when you'll know it's right to ask. You have your mental health to worry about too so once it starts to bother you just ask, but if you can go with the flow for now and stay sane, I'd do that first. It'll probably solve itself and don't worry about being sappy/complimenting. She'll let you know if it's inappropriate and if you are good at reading people save those comments for when you are in person and you'll know immediately. It's near impossible to analyze texts so don't even start with that. My brother does that and it drives him up the wall.

If/when you do ask what it all means and if it goes the way of just friends, you may have to be the one to make the effort at first to stay friends. From my experience the girl will back off in fear that they hurt you or will hurt you further.

I don't know Australian customs but a kiss on the cheek over here is more than a we just had a friendly dinner. Kisses on the cheeks are either I like you or we've been friends for years and it was nice to see you. You don't fit the latter.
 
She is very insecure. But when we were dating, she was insanely loyal. I just wanna get back to that, without going through bs

Insecure people will latch on to us very strongly when the relationship works. However, all relationships hit speed bumps. I was in a relationship for four years, where a speed bump was all it took to topple the whole thing. Several times during the relationship, I had to fight through incredible pain to keep the relationship from keeling. It's left me scarred, and I'm moving to work through that.

Insecure people don't need a "security blanket", if you don't mind me calling a boyfriend that. A boyfriend will only contribute to hiding the insecurities, so I don't see anything coming out of going back to a relationship with her. So yeah, she might be very loyal when things are gone. I've been there. But it's still a harbinger of pain. She'd need years to get past those things, if ever.
 
Insecure people will latch on to us very strongly when the relationship works. However, all relationships hit speed bumps. I was in a relationship for four years, where a speed bump was all it took to topple the whole thing. Several times during the relationship, I had to fight through incredible pain to keep the relationship from keeling. It's left me scarred, and I'm moving to work through that.

Insecure people don't need a "security blanket", if you don't mind me calling a boyfriend that. A boyfriend will only contribute to hiding the insecurities, so I don't see anything coming out of going back to a relationship with her. So yeah, she might be very loyal when things are gone. I've been there. But it's still a harbinger of pain. She'd need years to get past those things, if ever.


So essentially, your advice is to bail out?

:/
 
Ok Gaf, I could use some advice. I've been single for about 18 months after splitting with my partner of 4 years. Dated a few guys but nothing serious.

Recently, a good friend told me he has feelings for me. We'd been flirting a lot, he's definitely attractive and I'd like us to see where it goes.

Here's the interesting part...he's polyamorous. We've had several long conversations about what this means, and I think it could suit both of us. But I feel inexperienced in these matters. Anyone been there/ done that?
 
Thought I'd say hello again, hi!

I'm not really friends anymore with my ex. I just have no interest anymore in going out with her so you guys were right in the end. Me still hoping yet saying I wasn't, haha. When I reread my posts... It's not that I hate her; I just have no interest in some thing we used to do together. This created a gap and I pretty much never see her anymore, apart from at work.

I've been creeping on Okcupid and there are some nice people I could start a convo with. Just that my Okcupid page is empty and I don't have any good pictures of me. I've got some Airsoft pictures of me but I doubt people would like to see me with a gun on my dating profile picture. I went for the "AirsoftAlex" nickname though which is my hobby but still. I'm kind of camera shy and hate taking pictures of myself.

And grap3fruitman, great that you're having a bit of success dude! Your posts seem less depressing and more optimistic too ;)
 
really enjoyed reading your situation.. Almost felt like I was in a movie.

I think that dinner was definitely a date. The kiss on the cheek was a good sign, and also a sign that she wants to take things slow (which is also good). Stick with it and keep us updated!

Haha thanks! I seriously have a laugh to myself sometimes, and say things like "I feel like I live in a sitcom...". You should hear the story of how my previous relationship started, definitely not a typical young person story hahaha!

Normally I wouldn't seek a second opinion, especially with people I don't know well, but I really felt like I should share (it has helped the nervousness) and I will keep everyone posted :)

You already know what to do and have said it multiple times. It'll play itself out and if she never brings it up there will come a time when you'll know it's right to ask. You have your mental health to worry about too so once it starts to bother you just ask, but if you can go with the flow for now and stay sane, I'd do that first. It'll probably solve itself and don't worry about being sappy/complimenting. She'll let you know if it's inappropriate and if you are good at reading people save those comments for when you are in person and you'll know immediately. It's near impossible to analyze texts so don't even start with that. My brother does that and it drives him up the wall.

If/when you do ask what it all means and if it goes the way of just friends, you may have to be the one to make the effort at first to stay friends. From my experience the girl will back off in fear that they hurt you or will hurt you further.

I don't know Australian customs but a kiss on the cheek over here is more than a we just had a friendly dinner. Kisses on the cheeks are either I like you or we've been friends for years and it was nice to see you. You don't fit the latter.

Thank you again for hearing me out. As I said, at this point it helps me just write everything out and get feelings off my chest (on here).

Any non-face-to-face talking to me is hard, my personality really doesn't translate over text . My current struggle is the whole reading into shit, but yesterday I just got up and went for a walk (Music always helps! A big passion of mine) once I started over-thinking.
 
Guys, on a scale of 1 to douchebag, where do you rate wanting to end a relationship because you wanna "work on yourself"?

I feel like I really need to work on myself and I'm not giving my partner my best self. I've been feeling down lately due to many things unrelated to gf. Or maybe there's a better way to do this?
 
Guys, on a scale of 1 to douchebag, where do you rate wanting to end a relationship because you wanna "work on yourself"?

I feel like I really need to work on myself and I'm not giving my partner my best self. I've been feeling down lately due to many things unrelated to gf. Or maybe there's a better way to do this?

Why can't you work on yourself while being in the relationship? Does your gf feel she is not getting the best of you?
 
Guys, on a scale of 1 to douchebag, where do you rate wanting to end a relationship because you wanna "work on yourself"?

I feel like I really need to work on myself and I'm not giving my partner my best self. I've been feeling down lately due to many things unrelated to gf. Or maybe there's a better way to do this?

I have literally just done this with my former partner. We both badly needed to work on our selves, but there is only so much you can do with someone else around all the time. Definitely nothing wrong with it, as long as your intentions are pure and you communicate it all to her.

Now, your situation may not be the same as the one I was in, but if it is, ending it (even if you ultimately end up back together) is the most mature and healthy way to go about it. Long story short, if you get to the point where your own issues become issues that affect her well being you need to go sort them out on your own.

My ex and I became toxic to each other because our issues couldn't be worked on in parallel (to put it in context, we were together for 6 years, lived together the entire time and it was only the last 6 months where it got to that stage).

We had a catch up dinner last night and I was so proud to see her finally growing into the person I always knew she could be (but literally no one, even herself could see that, until now). So I have had to let old passions lie and totally take my personal "stake" out of it, because I know it is for the greater good.

If that at all sounds familiar, my advice would be a serious sit down and lay everything out, no shame there :)
 
backslashbunny,

Everything you've said about Asian parents in the 99 iphones thread... D:

I really like asian girls, but damn it.

I thought a PM was too stalkerish so i wrote it here lol
 
Guys, on a scale of 1 to douchebag, where do you rate wanting to end a relationship because you wanna "work on yourself"?

I feel like I really need to work on myself and I'm not giving my partner my best self. I've been feeling down lately due to many things unrelated to gf. Or maybe there's a better way to do this?
Weren't you the guy having doubts about the relationship/girl not being right for them?

I was in a similar boat. What I've concluded is that yes I want/need to work on myself but if the relationship was totally right, I would have been more satisfied and not so doubtful.

What I'm driving at is if it's a good match, you'll be able to have the space you need to work on you and the loyalty and stability to have time apart.

Me and my ex had tons in common but she had some poor habits that I realized weren't going to change and our core philosophies were too far different.

In short, the "work on myself" is partly true but likely a symptom of a deeper incompatibility.

P.S. This is why you should never, ever date someone on the premise that they'll change, no matter how well intentioned.
 
@Gingerlicious - That totally seems like a date! At least, the peck on the cheek makes it seem as much... unless that's common to do in Australia. Keep going with the flow and I'm sure things will turn out great :)

...I don't have anything else to say that hasn't already, but since I asked for the rest of the story I felt the need to respond.

@Night - Seems like she's trying to have her cake and eat it too. Sept is definitely right. If you really, really want to keep going with it, do that ultimatum. If she refuses to cut ties with the other guy, that will always be a trust issue, even if nothing ever comes of it. She's going to have to make a choice.

Though, honestly it might just be better to bail now before it gets worse. She's already giving you enough reason to mistrust her, since she won't stop talking to the guy she dated.
 
So Gaf, just to make sure I'm not that crazy.... I never kiss on the first date, and a big deal comes from shyness. Second date, yeah I'll usually seal the deal when I can clearly tell she's open to it; but I'm not that weird for having this quirk, am I?
 
Weren't you the guy having doubts about the relationship/girl not being right for them?

I was in a similar boat. What I've concluded is that yes I want/need to work on myself but if the relationship was totally right, I would have been more satisfied and not so doubtful.

What I'm driving at is if it's a good match, you'll be able to have the space you need to work on you and the loyalty and stability to have time apart.

Me and my ex had tons in common but she had some poor habits that I realized weren't going to change and our core philosophies were too far different.

In short, the "work on myself" is partly true but likely a symptom of a deeper incompatibility.

P.S. This is why you should never, ever date someone on the premise that they'll change, no matter how well intentioned.

I have to agree with that last part 100%, and it's something that only now I'm beginning to see. Whether or not this is the case with my girlfriend, I'm still not sure. The problem is that we're long distance right now, so the normal process of a relationship is slowed down. It's like we got frozen in time, you know?

I think I can work on myself while being with her. The LD is a wrinkle that is proving difficult however.
 
So Gaf, just to make sure I'm not that crazy.... I never kiss on the first date, and a big deal comes from shyness. Second date, yeah I'll usually seal the deal when I can clearly tell she's open to it; but I'm not that weird for having this quirk, am I?

There is no time defined, you should do when you feel confortable to do it.
 
Ok Gaf, I could use some advice. I've been single for about 18 months after splitting with my partner of 4 years. Dated a few guys but nothing serious.

Recently, a good friend told me he has feelings for me. We'd been flirting a lot, he's definitely attractive and I'd like us to see where it goes.

Here's the interesting part...he's polyamorous. We've had several long conversations about what this means, and I think it could suit both of us. But I feel inexperienced in these matters. Anyone been there/ done that?

I don't have experience with it, but if you have talked it out with him, and think it is something that might be for you, go for it.

It would be interesting to hear your stories down the line since I don't think many people here have experience with it either.
 
Well that was weird.
I like a girl in the office and spend time with her, but never told her or gave any hint.
Then something weird happened today. my boss, who doesn't even know that girl properly, starts asking me if I have a girlfriend and stuff (he is very casual). I say no and he says I am lying and that he has seen me with that girl a few times and to him it looks likr we are a couple. I am kinda flabbergasted and he is going like-'come on man you can tell me.' I guess he was teasing me or something. I didn't know how to respond. I kept saying no. then he says-'why are you blushing. you should ask her out, you guys look good together.'
I kept saying no but to be honest, his comment about looking good together kinda made me happy.
Anyway, he stopped teasing me but now it has stuck in my head. I kinda want to tell the girl about this incident but I also don't know how she will take it. should I tell her?
 
So I hang out with an ex of mine fairly regularly. After the breakup whenever we'd hang out it'd just be drinking/playing games.

But now this week she wants to go out to some corn maze with me. Last week she wanted to make a cake with me.

Would that be enough to put any of you on guard, or would you just see it as standard being friends with your ex stuff?
 
Hi all,

I’m relatively new to the dating scene. My past relationship experiences come from friendships that had developed into more somewhat naturally. Now, however, I’m actively seeking my next potential relationship from outside my group of friends.

I asked out a random girl, Girl A, about a month ago, and we went out a couple times, but it was somewhat lukewarm on her end, and I was ok with that. I was trying not to get hung up on one girl, so I kept my options open. But, I do like her quite a bit. We have been chatting off and on for the past couple weeks, with a bit more frequency recently. I’m suspecting that perhaps she’s feeling a bit more than lukewarm now. She and I are hanging out with a couple of my friends this week, just based on a casual invitation.

Last week, I met another girl, Girl B, and we’ve been chatting quite a bit, and have plans to meet up on Sunday for some food and a beer. I really like the potential of this girl. However, I am plagued now by fears of dishonesty. I’m thinking that perhaps I’m leading Girl A on while chatting with her, and making plans to hang out, while I’m really more interested in making sure I’m available for Girl B. Girl A is incredibly cool, and I’d be interested in keeping her as a friend. The caveat here is that in the back of my mind, I am adding “I’d be interested in keeping her as a friend, unless Girl B doesn’t work out.”

I know I’ve read that dating multiple people at one time is not a problem until talk of being mutually exclusive arises. However, in this case I am clearly favoring the potential of one girl over the actuality of another.

What does a (young, inexperienced) man do in this situation!
 
So I hang out with an ex of mine fairly regularly. After the breakup whenever we'd hang out it'd just be drinking/playing games.

But now this week she wants to go out to some corn maze with me. Last week she wanted to make a cake with me.

Would that be enough to put any of you on guard, or would you just see it as standard being friends with your ex stuff?
That seems kinda relationship-y to me, but maybe I'm overly sentimental.
 
I went on a first date last and it went really well. We just went to a coffee place and talked for a few hours, and there was great chemistry. She was the one who approached me online (we know a shared acquaintance), so that was nice (definite turn on when girls take the lead!).

Anyway, she texted me after saying she had a great time and we would have to hang out again soon. So my question is, what's a good second date option? Neither of us is into going to the bar or anything like that. There's always a movie and food after, but movies suck as early dates. Any good interested ideas?
 
I went on a first date last and it went really well. We just went to a coffee place and talked for a few hours, and there was great chemistry. She was the one who approached me online (we know a shared acquaintance), so that was nice (definite turn on when girls take the lead!).

Anyway, she texted me after saying she had a great time and we would have to hang out again soon. So my question is, what's a good second date option? Neither of us is into going to the bar or anything like that. There's always a movie and food after, but movies suck as early dates. Any good interested ideas?
Without knowing your area, walk in a park and a picnic? Seems pretty charming, and lots of time to talk and get to one another.
 
Without knowing your area, walk in a park and a picnic? Seems pretty charming, and lots of time to talk and get to one another.

Unfortunately there is already snow on the ground!

My preference would be something similar, but to take her tobogganing/sledding on a hill nearby and bring hot chocolate, warm soup, etc. We could do that for a bit then sit in the car and drink/eat/talk. Kind of a winter picnic. But unfortunately it's cold outside (-15) but there's only a tiny bit of snow right now, not enough to sled on.
 
Unfortunately there is already snow on the ground!

My preference would be something similar, but to take her tobogganing/sledding on a hill nearby and bring hot chocolate, warm soup, etc. We could do that for a bit then sit in the car and drink/eat/talk. Kind of a winter picnic. But unfortunately it's cold outside (-15) but there's only a tiny bit of snow right now, not enough to sled on.
Man, being in Florida I completely forgot most of the hemisphere is a frosted hell now.

Still, the sledding and cocoa date sounds memorable and sweet as hell.
 
Well that was weird.
I like a girl in the office and spend time with her, but never told her or gave any hint.
Then something weird happened today. my boss, who doesn't even know that girl properly, starts asking me if I have a girlfriend and stuff (he is very casual). I say no and he says I am lying and that he has seen me with that girl a few times and to him it looks likr we are a couple. I am kinda flabbergasted and he is going like-'come on man you can tell me.' I guess he was teasing me or something. I didn't know how to respond. I kept saying no. then he says-'why are you blushing. you should ask her out, you guys look good together.'
I kept saying no but to be honest, his comment about looking good together kinda made me happy.
Anyway, he stopped teasing me but now it has stuck in my head. I kinda want to tell the girl about this incident but I also don't know how she will take it. should I tell her?

Anyone?
I am kinda excited and confused. :(
 
Hi all,

I’m relatively new to the dating scene. My past relationship experiences come from friendships that had developed into more somewhat naturally. Now, however, I’m actively seeking my next potential relationship from outside my group of friends.

I asked out a random girl, Girl A, about a month ago, and we went out a couple times, but it was somewhat lukewarm on her end, and I was ok with that. I was trying not to get hung up on one girl, so I kept my options open. But, I do like her quite a bit. We have been chatting off and on for the past couple weeks, with a bit more frequency recently. I’m suspecting that perhaps she’s feeling a bit more than lukewarm now. She and I are hanging out with a couple of my friends this week, just based on a casual invitation.

Last week, I met another girl, Girl B, and we’ve been chatting quite a bit, and have plans to meet up on Sunday for some food and a beer. I really like the potential of this girl. However, I am plagued now by fears of dishonesty. I’m thinking that perhaps I’m leading Girl A on while chatting with her, and making plans to hang out, while I’m really more interested in making sure I’m available for Girl B. Girl A is incredibly cool, and I’d be interested in keeping her as a friend. The caveat here is that in the back of my mind, I am adding “I’d be interested in keeping her as a friend, unless Girl B doesn’t work out.”

I know I’ve read that dating multiple people at one time is not a problem until talk of being mutually exclusive arises. However, in this case I am clearly favoring the potential of one girl over the actuality of another.

What does a (young, inexperienced) man do in this situation!

My moral compass has always said to not date both at once (drinks, dinners, movies) but I wouldn't say it's wrong to keep chatting with Girl A while pursuing Girl B. Just keep it kosher with Girl A until Girl B has played out. That's my style, but others would say fuck it, do what you want until a label is slapped on anything.

It's my style now because I learned from my own mistake and felt really guilty afterwards. Let's just say I was dating Girl A but we never put a label on it but then hooked up with Girl B. Girl A and Girl B both showed up at the same party and Girl A was non too happy that Girl B was trying to make out with me. Fighting ensued.

Anyone?
I am kinda excited and confused. :(

Just ask her out for a drink/coffee. No need to play games or have an "icebreaker" since it seems like you already have a connection. I personally wouldn't bring up the story if it has nothing to add other than be an icebreaker until you've knocked a couple back or have hung out a couple times.
 
Just ask her out for a drink/coffee. No need to play games or have an "icebreaker" since it seems like you already have a connection. I personally wouldn't bring up the story if it has nothing to add other than be an icebreaker until you've knocked a couple back or have hung out a couple times.

Ignore your boss and don't tell her. There's nothing there and work relationships are almost always bad.

Thanks guys. Not telling then.
 
Ignore your boss and don't tell her. There's nothing there and work relationships are almost always bad.

What? There's been over 4 marriages at my company that started with inter-office dating. Actually in my field it's a fantastic way to meet people since most of us are introverts and enjoy the same things (engineers). That's nonsense. If he likes her, ask her out. Grab life by the balls instead of worrying about things that "almost always" are something. I'm new to the thread but man a lot of people here are jaded.
 
What? There's been over 4 marriages at my company that started with inter-office dating. Actually in my field it's a fantastic way to meet people since most of us are introverts and enjoy the same things (engineers). That's nonsense. If he likes her, ask her out. Grab life by the balls instead of worrying about things that "almost always" are something. I'm new to the thread but man a lot of people here are jaded.
It seems like most of his interest was after his boss said they would look good together which gives me pause. And if it works out it's fine but I'm not sure why you would want to potentially cause problems at work just to date someone. There's millions of women out there, it's not worth the potential of causing problems at work if you have a decent job. And I'm not sure how saying you shouldn't date coworkers makes you jaded or somehow implies you're not living life. That's beyond awkward if that's what defines living life.
 
It seems like most of his interest was after his boss said they would look good together which gives me pause. And if it works out it's fine but I'm not sure why you would want to potentially cause problems at work just to date someone. There's millions of women out there, it's not worth the potential of causing problems at work if you have a decent job. And I'm not sure how saying you shouldn't date coworkers makes you jaded or somehow implies you're not living life. That's beyond awkward if that's what defines living life.

No bro. Just to make it clear, I was already interested in the girl. Never said anything though.
The comment from my boss just made me excited, kinda like when someone says- 'Yeah she does seem interested in you' and you become excited with the thought that there is a possibility.
 
@kittoo

If you absolutely want to ask her out then do it the old fashioned way. Saying something like "Hey, my boss said we look cute together. What do you think lolz?" would just be...off. Do it the standard way or don't do it at all.
 
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