Are you watching Gotham? I am apreciating Laurel more since I saw Barbara.
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I got about 15 minutes into Gotham's first episode and turned that shit off. After no less than 3 crouching butt-shots of teen Catwoman in the first minute of the show, the over produced sets, the cheesy Bruce scream, then Jada... holy shit that's bad TV.
Laurel is manageable when she has minimal screentime or when she is a small part of the overall story-of-the-week. When she gets bigger plots, it leads to some awful and cringe worthy scenes and resolutions. Not to say that she could not handle a whole episode on her own and it be interesting, but three episode arc looks to be overkill for a character that works best in small dosis.
Maybe the writers will surprise me, but everything they have done with the character so far has been, to be frank, stupid.
Lol, never thought of that. I mean, if we wanted to go meta, the first half of season 1 was basically Batman Begins but with killing instead of no killing. Even Wildcat said it best.
"Another vigilante? We've started a movement."
Fair enough I suppose. I'm just sort of over the mindless Laurel hate, it's become a bad joke and it's starting to sound old (look at what happened on the Arrow after-show with Stephen. He clearly wasn't pleased). Dig doesn't just need a trilogy, he's one of the more underused characters in the show now. Roy not feeling his a-game? Well, better not take Dig with me, he's got a kid now. Everyone in the show needs further development, except for a select few (as they've gotten too much of the spotlight on them, and that needs to stop).
Wiktor
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It's not mindless hate. The character simply sucks and she was the reason two characters people liked died (one of her own fault, one to make her transition into BC). Now this crappy characters will be forced down out throats in three episodes? It just sounds like an overkill. No side character has gotten three episodes yet and now the one that gets it is the worst one? Meh.
It all feels fake and forced. Overkill really. If it doesn't work it wil be whole three episodes we'll never get back. I really hope they have some sort of miracle in their sleeve.
BodiesWithoutOrgans
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Instead of judging Laurel let her prove herself on the trilogy
So basically you've given up on the show?
And no, it's not fake and forced. At all. The show spent two and a half seasons tearing Laurel down and slowly building her up. It's been playing the long game here, AND sticking to the idea that Black Canary is a legacy character.
Wiktor
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So what you're suggeting that the only way to enjoy a show is to love and accept every single thing about it? Really?
Laurel sucked since day 1 and I stil enjoyed Arrow till now. I will most likely enjoy it even with Laurel as BC. The only way I could see myself giving up on the show is if they would make her a secondary lead, with as much screen time and attentio nas Oliver. But I doubt they're that dumb.
But that's the problem I have with this "trilogy". I can survive some side plots with Laurel, maybe even an episode centered around her. But three episodes back to back? That would be overkill for even for good side character, let alone for Laurel.
It hasn't played that game long enough. It feels like they just got tired and decided "screw it! we'll just take a shortcut".
Oh shit I totally forgot about that. You guys think we get H.I.V.E. this season or are they going to save that for even later?
Hive is a long-term game.
Remember it took us well into S2 before Slade became Deathstroke, and a season and a bit before we found out who hired Fyers.
Wiktor
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Twoo seasons where the one big truly constitently bad element was Laurel merit only complete pesimism about trilogy of episodes decidated to her.
Gotham has it's merits and gladly focuses on them very quickly. Penguin and the gang war is very enjoyable and the appearances of the lesser characters like Selina and Barbara are small relative to that.
I'm not judging a character that will be introduced in the trilogy, I judge a character that is around since the first episode and continued to be a nuisance to my enjoyment. Except the Laurel chin gifs. They were great.
We don't even got proper R'as yet. I am sure we will get more cues, but League of Assassins first. H.I.V.E. could be the game for next season.
call_kotaku
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I feel like Laurel's arc will be very predictable and the conclusion will be extremely straightforward, so having the 3-season build up just ends up being a massive waste of time, especially when a competent and good Canary was already on the show for a whole season (and one that didn't need 2 seasons worth of fuckups before kicking ass). The only way this thing will be redeemed is if her origin story ends up resolving in an unexpected way.
At this point Laurel's just a shounen anime protagonist, it's like introducing Shinji Ikari when Domon Kasshu was already on the show.
At this point Laurel's just a shounen anime protagonist, it's like introducing Shinji Ikari when Domon Kasshu was already on the show.
Napoleonthechimp
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The Laurel hate is really starting to piss me off.
Have we been watching the same show?
Look, I love Arrow. It's great. But it never does the unexpected thing. They telegraph plot twists a mile in advance. Fans knew Sara was alive, they knew Malcolm was in the League of Assassins, they knew Shado was dead off-island BEFORE the show got there. Arrow's not complex at all, the show works because in the end it's about character rather than plot.
They sporadically subvert our expectations (Malcolm Merlyn as Oliver's nemesis, not Tommy Merlyn), but predominantly this is easily the most straightforward show on TV and stuff like 'who killed Sara?' isn't going to be a Twin Peaks style mind screw: it's going to make complete sense and be a plot device to set up further angst.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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NotTheGuyYouKill
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Calling it, Sylvester killed Canary. Payback is a bitch.
Plasticine
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Trilogy of Laurel centric episodes? Lord have mercy on us
A trilogy of Laurel episodes?
Hahaha
The only thing worse than Laurel hate... is Laurel appearing in front of camera on Arrow.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Why does the BC costume have so many straps and buckles?
Not that I'm complaining...
Not that I'm complaining...
it looks cool
Wiktor
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Why would he? It's the Kattie Cassidy hate that was the problem.
Oh please. She is the female lead, not a "side character". She was always meant to be this.
The only reason Sarah existed in the first damn place was to get Laurel here.
Crossover is next week, this week we only have Flash.
Also if we just keep going in circles.
Chuckie
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Last season it was even worse, it was focused not only on Laurel but also the actress.
Thanks!
So does that mean that next week we get the crossover and one episode of Arrow?
Or does the crossover counts like 2 episode for both? Also when it is airing?
so i finally caught up with all the episodes of this show
late season 2 was godlike omg
slade you motherfucker
this season seems kind of weak in comparison
1. Sara NO
2. Sorry, I still don't buy Laurel as an action hero.
better do some WORK.
3. there are a lot of hero nods this season, but at times it feels like they're going too far and it's taking attention away from Ollie.
4. I'm about done with all these OH GOD I HAVE TO KEEP THIS SECRET TO PROTECT THIS PERSON I LOVE plots. Laurel needs to tell her dad about Sara asap. Oliver and Thea just need to get everything out in the open.
late season 2 was godlike omg
slade you motherfucker
this season seems kind of weak in comparison
1. Sara NO
2. Sorry, I still don't buy Laurel as an action hero.
Those three episodes
3. there are a lot of hero nods this season, but at times it feels like they're going too far and it's taking attention away from Ollie.
4. I'm about done with all these OH GOD I HAVE TO KEEP THIS SECRET TO PROTECT THIS PERSON I LOVE plots. Laurel needs to tell her dad about Sara asap. Oliver and Thea just need to get everything out in the open.
generaldane
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Because she's terrible and has been since the pilot?
brotkasten
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TacticalFox88
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Got to say though, Routh is killing it.
You handsome motherfucker.
You handsome motherfucker.
BlackNMild2k1
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short funny story.
So my GF was catching up on Arrow, and the scene where Ray was removing the necklace from Felicity came up, so I quietly pulled up Radioactive on youtube and started playing it as the scene started. Oliver walks in and see Raylicity/Feliciray kissing it out, and my GF says "Of course they play this song during that scene...."
I told her, "No, actually I was playing that song during this scene"
and we both had a good laugh.
but that scene needs to be added to the collage.
So my GF was catching up on Arrow, and the scene where Ray was removing the necklace from Felicity came up, so I quietly pulled up Radioactive on youtube and started playing it as the scene started. Oliver walks in and see Raylicity/Feliciray kissing it out, and my GF says "Of course they play this song during that scene...."
I told her, "No, actually I was playing that song during this scene"
and we both had a good laugh.
but that scene needs to be added to the collage.
Relaxed Muscle
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I think Laurel is fine.
Her whole S2 arc was kinda weak, but given the future trajectory of the character it kinda makes sense.
I feel the worst is that the writters didn't seem to know what exactly do with the character for some time.
Something they, kinda, fixed on Flash. (Iris character)
Nomura school of design.
Her whole S2 arc was kinda weak, but given the future trajectory of the character it kinda makes sense.
I feel the worst is that the writters didn't seem to know what exactly do with the character for some time.
Something they, kinda, fixed on Flash. (Iris character)
Nomura school of design.
Wiktor
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Uh..no. This show has only one lead character and it's Oliver.
Wiktor
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We're not. We're discussing news of trilogy here.
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