Sorry to toot my own horn, but I guess I was surprised no one commented -- has anyone else had unusual positive experiences in Wii U For Glory like this, even with the limited communications capability you have?
Super Smash Bros. for Wii U |OT| True Potential of Smash Bros.
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Stupid suicides, again now!you're distracted mate, I was hoping to be taken more seriously
Is there any other way to unlock stuff without playing that mode? Ugh. I hate Smash Tour
PadWarrior
Member
Oh thanks! Wish the manual said that lol
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
Damn Falco side b has no armor now :T
ErrorMacro
Member
On a similar note, has anyone been able to actually add someone they met on for glory?
I tried using the "Add as a friend" once, when I played a pretty good guy with 0 lag, but I'm not sure how the invite appears to him. Maybe he only saw it when he got out of the game.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Hammer Time!
Most of the game's harder challenges can't be hammered anyway, so why not use them with the Smash Tour?
Best advice is to get four controllers, make everyone a Player so you can utilize them all (I assume any Player accomplishing a task will unlock a Challenge), and do the small map.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
One of his custom tornados is amazing for recovery actually. It also has a great windbox, seems to be better than the standard tornado in every way except damage dealt.
MrSaturn99
Member
I like that cat.
I have, played this one guy for like an hour at least. Started out only using my main sonic and then eventually after a bunch of intense matches and a row of victories I decided to take a break from him and switched characters. ended up going through most of the veterans along with villager and duck hunt. Matches were all really competitive and and we seemed to have an understanding. One time I fell off at the start of the match by accident and he jumped off too out of respect. We also had a bunch of fun mirror match ups and what not. Ended up friending him. Very positive experience ha.
I went about an hour with this guy that I originally thought was really bad, but he was just trying to learn the game, obviosuly. I beat him like 20 times in a row, but he never left. So I kept switching characters, and so did he. Eventually, we settled down on two that we both felt gave us challenging matches. I played Falco (I don't play Falco at all) and he played Link. Sure, in the grand scheme of things, I was better at Smash than him, but seeing as he stayed with me in my room while loosing so much and obviously really wanted to get to my level, I decided to keep playing Falco vs Link so that we could be basically go toe-to-toe. It was a kind of a cool thing, actually. I learned a thing or two about how to avoid spammers lol.
Jaded Alyx
Member
Man, my Friends List has been full for months. I should really get rid of some people so I can add more of you guys.
I see.
I have two Wii remotes, the gamepad and a wii u pro. Guess I'll give it a try :/
Thanks for the advice
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
Damn, I just can't wrap my head around Olimar at all. There's something I can do, I'm just not seeing it. :/
GGs jorge, you're pretty good.
GGs jorge, you're pretty good.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Is there really no Pushmo stuff anywhere? No music, no Trophy?
Really...odd. Suspiciously so since IS already put a lot of stuff in. It's by far the most popular ESHOP game, but Dillon gets an AT and music, and Sakura Samurai gets music and a Trophy, but no Mallo anywhere...
Really...odd. Suspiciously so since IS already put a lot of stuff in. It's by far the most popular ESHOP game, but Dillon gets an AT and music, and Sakura Samurai gets music and a Trophy, but no Mallo anywhere...
Coolbgdog12
Member
FUCK!!
I call a gamestop near me that shows they had the adapter in stock. The guy tells me first come first serve. Thirty minutes later I dashed over to the store and it's out of stock already.
I call a gamestop near me that shows they had the adapter in stock. The guy tells me first come first serve. Thirty minutes later I dashed over to the store and it's out of stock already.
Dead Prince
Banned
i'm the shitty player. i'm surprised the two people i played kept playing for more than 20 rounds lol.
SparksterMeta0
Member
Thanks man, your Falco was good!
I was like, damn isn't that cat getting in the way? Then I realized he was using the TV screen. Cute kitten, though.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
Warms my heart hearing that, I should get back to playing him.
Anyone else wanna go at it? I need to brush up on my mental game.
EDIT: Actually nvm, Alpha Sapphire just came in the mail LMAOOOOO hope you guys have fun!
Haha wow that's pretty fantastic.
So wait, can you just not use Amiibos in anything but Smash mode or something? I was under the impression that they could tag team Classic and All Star and Trophy Rush and whatnot, but putting them up to the game pad on those modes does nothing.
Man, lame if so.
Edit: And I expected this one, but connecting with the 3ds version literally just lets you transfer and unlocks literally nothing, huh.
Man, lame if so.
Edit: And I expected this one, but connecting with the 3ds version literally just lets you transfer and unlocks literally nothing, huh.
Man I'm so bummed about this amiibo stuff. How their attacks get stronger and imbalanced and such regardless of whether you feed them equipment. I was having so much fun training them before I realized this. Was gonna pick up Mario today but I think I might skip out on the rest in general now other than Captain Falcon.
TonberrysKnife
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If anyone wants to add me, I'm DustedTwilight.
Also, how do you unlock new music? Do you buy it from the shop in the game?
Also, how do you unlock new music? Do you buy it from the shop in the game?
SUPERJEM94
Banned
I used it a couple of times with a friend. At first, I couldn't hear my friend clearly, so we both lowered the sensitivity of the mic to 1. After that, it was much better. Not perfect, but better.
(mat)
Member
Interesting. Was I right in that you have to have the button pushed to listen AND speak?
Some of the 8 player stage choices are really fucking weird. Like why is Castle Seige and 8 player map when Colliseum, which would probably accommodate 8 players better, not?
And why the fuck is Onett one?! I mean it's pretty crazy with 8 people, but what a random choice. That map has always felt small to me.
SUPERJEM94
Banned
Yes, you are right. Just press it once and you'll be able to speak and listen. And press it again to turn it off. Pretty simple.
My thought is that a lot of those choices might be more due to performance than stage size. Maybe they couldn't get the stages with complex backgrounds and lots of animation running at 60 FPS with 8 people.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
So, one of the things I like about the pictures for Event Mode/Classic/All-Star Clear, and Challenges, are that all of them seemed like stuff anyone could replicate, although with some difficulty...
But seems Sakurai can "cheat". One pic is of Andross and Master Hand on Final Destination, which you can't do as there's no items during the fight. Also I guess this explains Doc Louis on the WFT Stage.
But seems Sakurai can "cheat". One pic is of Andross and Master Hand on Final Destination, which you can't do as there's no items during the fight. Also I guess this explains Doc Louis on the WFT Stage.
True, this is probably the reason. Pretty much the only thing that hampers 8 player Smash at all though is the limited/weird level selection. I would kill for more options.
Agreed 100%. I might never get these "take no damage" ones because of this.
I enjoy playing everyone haha. I also enjoy playing people that are under my skill level and see how they improve as I play them. It's probably my favorite part about online, honestly. It's pretty cool seeing someone who has no idea how to beat you go 20 rounds and then starts being a challenge.
My place was a parade of people coming over to play this game this weekend.
I have a lot to say about this game, but this thread moves too fast for me to feel like talking, lol.
Well, I guess I'll say one thing: With old pros and total newbies alike, the Gamer stage is HILARIOUSLY fun.
I have a lot to say about this game, but this thread moves too fast for me to feel like talking, lol.
Well, I guess I'll say one thing: With old pros and total newbies alike, the Gamer stage is HILARIOUSLY fun.
Yeah, that bugged me too. I've done like 3 events total, but spent around 1.5 hours trying to do them. The first one took several tries to clear with no damage on hard, but was manageable. The second was whatever. The third though, I spent forever trying to fight Kirby perfectly as Dedede. Then I realized that being in blast zones doesn't damage you in stamina mode. So I just hang out by the very edge and then eventually back throw.
It would go so much quicker if I could just restart (and thus bypass the loading screen) though.
justjustin
Member
Sorry to waste thread space on a dumb question, but how do you turn stages off so they don't come up when selecting random? I've searched for it online but have found nothing. It's either incredibly obvious or just no option for it, which is hard for me to believe. I have every stage unlocked as far as I know.
DaSorcerer7
Member
Need some advice guys, is it worth it getting gc controller and adapter or is game pad good enough?
How attached are you to the GCN controller?
For most people, I'd say the Gamepad is good enough (or better yet, the pro controller). If you've played a lot of Melee, Brawl, or PM though and you already have muscle memory built up, the GCN controller is very worth it.
Scalpel Knight
Member
In a game full of thoughtful features, there are a few baffling omissions, some of which I highlighted already. They're not too big a deal though:
-Having a default profile.
-Again, the 3DS version remembered your colours/alts you last used, why not this one?
-All "standard" controllers share the same scheme, so you can't really have different presets for say, Wii U Pro and Classic Controllers in one profile.
-For Fun limited to 2 minute only matches still, with no 1v1 option at all (would be great for practice). I didn't expect that to change though.
-No restart button for events.
-There should be a way to access the correct mode immediately from the Challenges menu, within the appropriate grid.
-Connection meter would be nice for online matches.
I hope at least a couple of these are patched, but again, not too big a deal.
-Having a default profile.
-Again, the 3DS version remembered your colours/alts you last used, why not this one?
-All "standard" controllers share the same scheme, so you can't really have different presets for say, Wii U Pro and Classic Controllers in one profile.
-For Fun limited to 2 minute only matches still, with no 1v1 option at all (would be great for practice). I didn't expect that to change though.
-No restart button for events.
-There should be a way to access the correct mode immediately from the Challenges menu, within the appropriate grid.
-Connection meter would be nice for online matches.
I hope at least a couple of these are patched, but again, not too big a deal.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Really?
I actually did that on my first try, with no problem. Just kept spamming Gordo, and slammed my hammer whenever Kirby got near.
I'm wondering though...if you use an Equipment that heals you, does it count as no damage if you finish the match with 0%, even though you got hit and healed?
DaSorcerer7
Member
I began playing Super Smash Bros. for Wii U with the mentality of a SSB Melee player. I wanted total control. I wanted limitless potential for movement and attack. I have deep understanding of Melee's system mechanics, rules, and character abilities. Having ignored SSB Brawl and seen little current footage of the Wii U iteration, I began playing SSBU with a clean slate.
Immediately, I recognized the advanced techniques from Melee requiring high execution had been implemented in SSBU mechanically. Air Dodging in place is present but air dodging in a direction does not exist (neither does wavedashing, as a result). However, momentum from side jumping and short hopping is maintained while air dodging. Secondly, landing recovery is essentially immediate for many neutral, forward, and backward air attacks. Landing after an air dodge requires recovery, but this can be replaced by attacking out of a dodge. Gone is the need to L-cancel or shield-cancel your aerials. Incidentally, gone is the ability to cancel spikes, meteors, and other heavy air attacks. I feel this system change is ultimately for the better. L-Cancelling was admittedly an executional burden on many characters that compensated for attack risk with executional reward. Smash U makes it so fast aerials recover quickly or instantly and heavier air attacks like spikes and meteors carry an acceptable level of risk related to application. I notice this trend across the board in Smash U.
Ground movement is fast and offers variations on advancing and retreating. Dashes can be cancelled consecutively, and holding a dash translates into running. Turning during a run or after a dash requires much recovery, so cancelling a dash into another in the opposite direction (pivoting) offers an executional workaround. Your character travels slightly forward while recovering in place allowing you to attack as though your were neutral. Dashing and attacking out of the turnaround animation allows a side smash attack, side tilt attack, or grab to be performed immediately. If you are against a ledge, you can use this to dash around an opponent and attack facing him.
Note, though, the limits on attack options from each of these movements. Dashing does not allow one to shield or attack until recovery. Pivoting maintains character control but does not offer as much side movement as dashing. Running attacks are disadvantaged on block and punishable on whiff. Jumps and short hops must meet a height requirement before air attacks may be initiated. Wavedashing in Melee gave us ability to advanced toward our opponent while orienting our character for back tilts, down tilts, or attacks that hit behind-the-back such as Fox's up tilt. I have yet to discover such a technique in SSBU, although combining dashing and pivoting comes close.
This is the trend I mentioned earlier - execution being levied for risk. In Melee, dance-dashing (repeatedly pivoting in place) cancelled the turnaround animation and allowed players to start running in either direction. Dash-dancing is unnecessary in Smash U because I can dash in either direction from a standstill. I do not need to wavedash out of a run; instead, I should dash infinitely or pivot to create attack options. I do not need to L-Cancel aerials because most recover quickly. What players need to learn is proper implementation of movement and attack. I want to advance toward my opponent and access all my ground attacks, but perhaps that is not an option. Perhaps I should walk and not commit to a dash if I want to down tilt. Perhaps I need to reevaluate my air strategy as many attacks hold heavy recovery while many ground anti-air attacks have improved hitboxes and greater launch value.
Melee's ground game is incredibly vulnerable without the advanced techniques and favors the air game in conjunction. Smash U takes an approach to remove the execution demands on the player and weight the ground game and air game with appropriate risk. I believe these restrictions were designed not to remove control from the player (though they did) but to balance the ground, air, and ledge game in Smash U.
Speaking of the ledge game, the distance from which characters will grab ledges is incredible. It will look like you fell short and your character will latch. Characters will grab ledges even when facing the opposite way. Characters can climb, attack, jump, and roll onto platforms from a ledge. Characters may drop from a ledge hang, but this is where the primary change occurs. Releasing a ledge prevents you from grabbing that same ledge immediately, and doing so does not grant invulnerability as it did when grabbing that ledge the first time. Vulnerable hanging characters cannot hog ledges as in previous Smash titles. Characters attempting to recover will replace the ledge-hanging character. These changes leave no advantage to players guarding an edge, however the improved combo system does recovering characters no favors.
This is where I see balance between the three stages of a Smash match. The ground game is tense and neutral. The air game has its strengths and weaknesses. More attacks juggle opponents into the air and off the ground. It is possible to combo for large percent, to carry opponents across stages, to combo opponents off edges and for the bold to follow them off edges to assure KOs. Scoring KOs on every side of the screen is all about commitment and follow through. Make no mistake, Smash U requires precision and foresight to achieve victory.
Never mind the structure of matches in Melee. Look at Smash U on its own and recognize that with a less advantageous air game, the ground game becomes equally important. Look at how restrictions on movement require greater commitment to movement. Look at how attack recovery requires knowledge of attack application. Available options will be poor choices and rich options will be unavailable due to previous decisions. I believe they have maintained the speed of tournament Smash Bros. matches while shifting the strategic trends. This game is not a strategic sequel to Melee. It falls somewhere between that and Smash 64. Our brandishing of pitchforks was out of fear that the simplification of techniques would remove control. I argue that Smash U is a new game, and we are foolish to think strategic trends should translate from games familiar. Fighting games require effort on our end, the players. With this understanding comes enlightenment (and a God's powers
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Further brief thoughts:
http://youtu.be/Uzv-fmiTH_M - Advanced movement guide that set my mind at ease.
http://youtu.be/eNw5i5mSCy4 - Introduced me to RAR, a Brawl technique made important with SSBUs movement options, dash-cancelled grabs, and toss cancelling.
http://youtu.be/YPQEaQmLGl0 - Older version of the above video again discussing RARs as well as Air Dodge Aerials
http://youtu.be/VmDkNkNPWYY - Talks in-depth about cancelling air dodges into aerials
http://youtu.be/iZPxLLaL4N8 - Highlights another element of launching properties
http://youtu.be/bSp885AxZss - Reports of C-Stick limits are greatly exaggerated. Jump as you please but return the directional stick to neutral before attacking with the C-Stick. Then, return the C-Stick to neutral if you wish to influence aerial movement. Returning to neutral resets command inputs in nearly all fighting games and is among the most important skills to learn if you want high level execution. In the case of Smash U, RARs allow forward advancing back airs. Backward falling forward airs are possible and really, a turnaround tilt or smash might be more advantageous because it keeps you on the ground. Evaluate your gameplan constantly and discard what does not work.
Until next time, folks...
Immediately, I recognized the advanced techniques from Melee requiring high execution had been implemented in SSBU mechanically. Air Dodging in place is present but air dodging in a direction does not exist (neither does wavedashing, as a result). However, momentum from side jumping and short hopping is maintained while air dodging. Secondly, landing recovery is essentially immediate for many neutral, forward, and backward air attacks. Landing after an air dodge requires recovery, but this can be replaced by attacking out of a dodge. Gone is the need to L-cancel or shield-cancel your aerials. Incidentally, gone is the ability to cancel spikes, meteors, and other heavy air attacks. I feel this system change is ultimately for the better. L-Cancelling was admittedly an executional burden on many characters that compensated for attack risk with executional reward. Smash U makes it so fast aerials recover quickly or instantly and heavier air attacks like spikes and meteors carry an acceptable level of risk related to application. I notice this trend across the board in Smash U.
Ground movement is fast and offers variations on advancing and retreating. Dashes can be cancelled consecutively, and holding a dash translates into running. Turning during a run or after a dash requires much recovery, so cancelling a dash into another in the opposite direction (pivoting) offers an executional workaround. Your character travels slightly forward while recovering in place allowing you to attack as though your were neutral. Dashing and attacking out of the turnaround animation allows a side smash attack, side tilt attack, or grab to be performed immediately. If you are against a ledge, you can use this to dash around an opponent and attack facing him.
Note, though, the limits on attack options from each of these movements. Dashing does not allow one to shield or attack until recovery. Pivoting maintains character control but does not offer as much side movement as dashing. Running attacks are disadvantaged on block and punishable on whiff. Jumps and short hops must meet a height requirement before air attacks may be initiated. Wavedashing in Melee gave us ability to advanced toward our opponent while orienting our character for back tilts, down tilts, or attacks that hit behind-the-back such as Fox's up tilt. I have yet to discover such a technique in SSBU, although combining dashing and pivoting comes close.
This is the trend I mentioned earlier - execution being levied for risk. In Melee, dance-dashing (repeatedly pivoting in place) cancelled the turnaround animation and allowed players to start running in either direction. Dash-dancing is unnecessary in Smash U because I can dash in either direction from a standstill. I do not need to wavedash out of a run; instead, I should dash infinitely or pivot to create attack options. I do not need to L-Cancel aerials because most recover quickly. What players need to learn is proper implementation of movement and attack. I want to advance toward my opponent and access all my ground attacks, but perhaps that is not an option. Perhaps I should walk and not commit to a dash if I want to down tilt. Perhaps I need to reevaluate my air strategy as many attacks hold heavy recovery while many ground anti-air attacks have improved hitboxes and greater launch value.
Melee's ground game is incredibly vulnerable without the advanced techniques and favors the air game in conjunction. Smash U takes an approach to remove the execution demands on the player and weight the ground game and air game with appropriate risk. I believe these restrictions were designed not to remove control from the player (though they did) but to balance the ground, air, and ledge game in Smash U.
Speaking of the ledge game, the distance from which characters will grab ledges is incredible. It will look like you fell short and your character will latch. Characters will grab ledges even when facing the opposite way. Characters can climb, attack, jump, and roll onto platforms from a ledge. Characters may drop from a ledge hang, but this is where the primary change occurs. Releasing a ledge prevents you from grabbing that same ledge immediately, and doing so does not grant invulnerability as it did when grabbing that ledge the first time. Vulnerable hanging characters cannot hog ledges as in previous Smash titles. Characters attempting to recover will replace the ledge-hanging character. These changes leave no advantage to players guarding an edge, however the improved combo system does recovering characters no favors.
This is where I see balance between the three stages of a Smash match. The ground game is tense and neutral. The air game has its strengths and weaknesses. More attacks juggle opponents into the air and off the ground. It is possible to combo for large percent, to carry opponents across stages, to combo opponents off edges and for the bold to follow them off edges to assure KOs. Scoring KOs on every side of the screen is all about commitment and follow through. Make no mistake, Smash U requires precision and foresight to achieve victory.
Never mind the structure of matches in Melee. Look at Smash U on its own and recognize that with a less advantageous air game, the ground game becomes equally important. Look at how restrictions on movement require greater commitment to movement. Look at how attack recovery requires knowledge of attack application. Available options will be poor choices and rich options will be unavailable due to previous decisions. I believe they have maintained the speed of tournament Smash Bros. matches while shifting the strategic trends. This game is not a strategic sequel to Melee. It falls somewhere between that and Smash 64. Our brandishing of pitchforks was out of fear that the simplification of techniques would remove control. I argue that Smash U is a new game, and we are foolish to think strategic trends should translate from games familiar. Fighting games require effort on our end, the players. With this understanding comes enlightenment (and a God's powers
.Further brief thoughts:
http://youtu.be/Uzv-fmiTH_M - Advanced movement guide that set my mind at ease.
http://youtu.be/eNw5i5mSCy4 - Introduced me to RAR, a Brawl technique made important with SSBUs movement options, dash-cancelled grabs, and toss cancelling.
http://youtu.be/YPQEaQmLGl0 - Older version of the above video again discussing RARs as well as Air Dodge Aerials
http://youtu.be/VmDkNkNPWYY - Talks in-depth about cancelling air dodges into aerials
http://youtu.be/iZPxLLaL4N8 - Highlights another element of launching properties
http://youtu.be/bSp885AxZss - Reports of C-Stick limits are greatly exaggerated. Jump as you please but return the directional stick to neutral before attacking with the C-Stick. Then, return the C-Stick to neutral if you wish to influence aerial movement. Returning to neutral resets command inputs in nearly all fighting games and is among the most important skills to learn if you want high level execution. In the case of Smash U, RARs allow forward advancing back airs. Backward falling forward airs are possible and really, a turnaround tilt or smash might be more advantageous because it keeps you on the ground. Evaluate your gameplan constantly and discard what does not work.
Until next time, folks...
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