How has that been working out for us? Has anything changed between Trayvon and Michael Brown? We bring injustices to light and it doesn't matter. People already have a negative perception of us and it's not like they care about my life enough for them to change shit because another black kid got murdered.
Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue
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How has that been working out for us? Has anything changed between Trayvon and Michael Brown? We bring injustices to light and it doesn't matter. People already have a negative perception of us and it's not like they care about my life enough for them to change shit because another black kid got murdered.
Probably never means it justs get worse and worse.
I think the sweetspot is where the powers that be get more scared of violence than solving the problem. Those were the two times in history America became progressive. The real issue is said violence often targets the wrong targets.
The Technomancer
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So that nothing can be done about them, thus re-affirming that its not injustice if its done to black people?
I'm not proposing it as a solution so much as asking at what point people are right to be fed up with being told "everything will work out if you work in the system"
Rioting will only change instead of chance for justice, they will just put people down like a dog with the full consent of the public.
So it would be like now?
Chie Satonaka
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If you ask some of the people in this thread, the solution to the situation in Ferguson is "getting out to the polls and voting!!!111".
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Are you asking if anything changed between the summer of 2013 and the fall of 2014? That's a very short amount of time, these things aren't usually quick - and when they are bad things tend to happen.
It makes as much sense as your bullshit. Why assault people who have no involvement? Why hurt the town that's trying to heal?
Nope, I am talking about Rosewood level shit going down.
bodyofanamerican
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Shaun King on Twitter has some tweets that seem to lean very heavily towards no indictment:
timetokill
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A policeman has always outgunned the average citizen. It doesn't matter.
It's a case of "things have changed, today is UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT" thinking to assume that the citizenry couldn't take on the police and win.
Ultimately most police are afraid for their lives. They have military "the citizen is the enemy" complexes. But if shit started happening to them most of them would stay home out of fear. They are vastly outnumbered, and what's more, those actually out to harm them are not wearing a uniform.
I'm not saying it's necessarily the right course of action, but I think it's insane to think the police can simply gun down every citizen and call it "peace."
Aaronology
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Your sarcasm aside, that is a much better solution than destroying neighborhoods. People love to get worked up for shit but then stay at home when it's time to actually do something about it.
Sadly we are already there. Look around.
Steps for minorities addressing problems in america.
#1. Stay calm.
#2. Education something something../ voting ( suggestions that all ignore core systemic problems)
#3. ???
Meanwhile, stop getting upset that so many black people are constantly murdered bt police because reasons.
That way people like mayor guiliani will understand the errors of their attitude. With calm and submission.
Its worked wonders for our prison populations.
I'm not quite sure why TM & MB are the cases that get so much attention when there are so many clear cut cases to get upset over. With Mike Brown, the moment the video of him and the store clerk came out and that there was a struggle in the police car a lot of people will just say it was justified. I honestly don't know what kind of use of force is justified and what other evidence was presented to say for sure.
Is it more just the perception of a bad investigation that is worse than the actual incident?
No, but the point is that it could. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
The sad truth is that there was never going to be an indictment.
Like they already do?
Right, lol. If only it was that simple.
What's happened between Oscar Grant and now? Is 5 years too short? Come on. They don't care.
To induce fear and make sure people do not forget this. To make sure this isn't a news story on Monday and forgotten by Tuesday. So maybe cops and the United States realize they can't keep killing us with no repercussions. Sorry if that's too aggressive for you, but it's necessary. I wish we could protest peaceful and get the same attention. I wish we could blog and tweet about it and things would change, but hey.
Chie Satonaka
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I'm not advocating for riots, and it's just delicious that people here are so worried about rioting to begin with.
Not the clear injustice which would be the catalyst to why a riot might happen to begin with, no. The potential of a riot has people all messed up.
Anyway, voting isn't going to cause a fundamental paradigm shift in Ferguson, and it's an insult to their intelligence to think that the people there, who aren't fucking stupid, don't know that.
LordAzrael
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Congratulations, you induce more fear and you're making the situation for black people even worse. White people will be more afraid. Things will change, yeah, for the worse.
djplaeskool
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Heaven help us if the multitudes of police districts and the state national guard that are already being staged in the area aren't enough.
Who are you going to scare? Most of Missouri is armed and the national Guard isn't going to be taking shit from anyone either. You want to stop black people from getting shot? Rioting in fucking redneck Missouri isn't going to make that happen.
mckmas8808
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That doesn't say what you said it points to.
How can it get worse than being openly gunned down in the street like now?
You sound like an apologist.
Did the freedom riders make life for brown people in the south when they came down south from up north and demanded desegregation? Sitting back,not rocking the boat, and begging people to respect you will never produce change.
Status-quo seems to be resulting in quite a few dead black folks at the hands of police.
Not seeing many other alternatives here, other than going on the offensive.
What repercussions are you talking about? You're not going to hurt the police. Burning down Ferguson isn't going to accomplish anything other than maybe gentrifying it, when all the houses and business are done burning.
Seriously, what will it accomplish? The police are still going to be there, probably worse than before the riots. The mayor and scumbag governor will still be there along with the racist district attorney. So, what exactly changes other than more death and destruction?
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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#3 Continue getting shot because middle classers don't want to ruffle any feathers.
I know. It's horrible.
How would it get worse? They can already freely kill us and get away with it. They can unjustly kill us and we'll be made to be the bad guy regardless. I would hope people would realize this is the action of frustrated people whose cries go unnoticed and had to vent in the only way would actually get attention. Didn't they protest at a football game and people started chanting the cops name? Trayvon got murdered and they plastered pics of him wearing a grill and that swayed the publics perception like that shit actually mattered. Fuck outta here. Things can't get much worse for black Americans, honestly. We're treated unfairly in every aspect of our lives and the only solution you guys have is for us to just deal with it.
What we should do is just make a big ol hip-hop song like we are the world since that influences us so much.
MiniBossBattle
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Please don't riot. Just vote out all the clowns that don't represent the community.
I'm honestly curious as to your solution for the problem then. You don't sound like you have one and would rather us just be complacent.
Also, how would rioting affect you? I'm assuming you're white, feel free to correct me, so how would rioting hurt you or your perception of the situation?
It brings attention. Regardless of what you say, it would definitely strike fear in a lot of people.
And then what?
bodyofanamerican
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Thanks! Updated my links.
Chie Satonaka
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The cycle continues.
Just another 60 years, guys.
Oh absolutely it will, for the wrong reasons, increasing the racial divide. You think things are bad now? Wait until a cop is killed by rioters.
Nappuccino
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Right now there are a bunch of people, like me, defending everyone up there who is peacefully protesting and raising awareness.This cause has support and this cause is gaining traction, but it isn't an overnight operation. All of that goes out the window when you prove the ignorant people right.
LordAzrael
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Okay, riot. Go ahead. Get arrested and/or killed. Your community is in tatters. You now have a record. The rest of the country is even more afraid of black people once they see cops getting killed by them. All of this DEFINITELY makes things worse. But it's okay, you're mad, so rioting is obviously the only option.
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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Riots are inevitable if the cop gets cleared. The police culture is fucked and needs to change, the hard way if needed.
timetokill
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We just need to get a black person in office and pass through some "don't shoot unarmed citizens" legislation.
That oughta do it.
Nappuccino
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Sure, give me a call in 3 years a let me know how much the riots changed things for the better.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
What good does looting and setting fires do?
You think the next time a white cop is in a situation where he's about to shoot to a black person he'll stop and be like "Oh, maybe I shouldn't. We're almost out of tear gas"?
It sucks, but people advocating violent demonstration as a valid tactic are ridiculously ignorant.
You think the next time a white cop is in a situation where he's about to shoot to a black person he'll stop and be like "Oh, maybe I shouldn't. We're almost out of tear gas"?
It sucks, but people advocating violent demonstration as a valid tactic are ridiculously ignorant.
I'm not even dreaming.
Then it'll be painted in a bad light, but the protests already were painted in a bad light to most people, so gives a fuck. There's already a huge racial divide. If rioting makes it worst, then literally anything we do will make it worse. Basically our options are: be ignored and keep getting killed or bring attention to these issues and hope they don't forget. Nothing is going to change because nothing hasn't changed yet. This isn't the first time this has happened, shit, this isn't even the worst and still, nothing has changed. We have peaceful protested and nothing has changed. We've blogged, wrote books, Gabe speeches and nothing has changed. I don't get what you want us to do.
What would change? Brown people would be harassed and killed by cops across america for no reason at all...oh wait, too late :/
Haloid1177
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Bringing attention and striking fear are two vastly different ideas.
Nappuccino
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There's a difference between being painted in a bad light, and actually doing the shit that is the bad light. One side can be defended. The other side . . . well, let's just say it makes the ignorant criticism valid.
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