DontBeThatGuy
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Yeah, this is gonna be rough.
Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue
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Yeah, this is gonna be rough.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Today will be interesting. Even prisons are on alert. Here's hoping for calm no matter th decision.
Rough just because its going to be yet another justified shooting of a black person in the eyes of the country. The "SEE! You asked for justice, here it is, what more do you want?!?!" attitude that ignores that theres a gigantic problem with racism in this country as well as a busted justice system. What were you expecting? What were we expecting? Wilson is going to walk, and the police will get to justify their militarized presence when people snap. The narrative will then turn into the same ole "see, NO respect for the law or small business owners!" and we will all be back here next week, with the next shooting.
I'm just getting tired of participating in the cycle. Even if wilson does get charged, much like trayvon, we've already lost as far as progress and equal attention in the eyes of the law. We lost because it took the movement of constant focus/attention to make the legal system work. None of this would matter if no one stepped in to broadcast it online. Just like it doesn't matter for the lower profile shootings happening, erm, right now, of minorities and the homeless population. The system is broken. We get into this weird delusion that some how this decision matters. Yes, it would be nice to see a man be charged for shooting someone to death, but it doesn't seem to be the common attitude towards policing in America.
We have to come up with alternatives to get pressure/cameras/responsibility on police. Because the narrative that its because they are killing unarmed people frankly doesn't matter to Americans. They attacked members of the press. No one said peep. There is a lot wrong with what America has accepted with Ferguson, but the main reason is because "well, if they didn't commit so much crime, the police wouldn't be shooting them."
The country is 100% broken in this way. People have nothing but frustration at a broken system. Being calm leads us directly here. Calmly listening to people telling black people that its their fault for being shot so much. Just wait for the broken system to fix itself guise. Stay calm!
Rough, sure. But aren't you used to it? This is what our previous generation thought they got away from -- but speaking to older generations, some things changed. Some things got hidden.
Its like me expecting Alien franchise games to be good. Every time, the hope, the dream. Then the terrible delivery. Every year, every time. Once in a while though, you get a break. Like ALien Isolation.
Black people need our Alien Isolation.
edit: and maybe thats the silver lining. The community that most blacks inherently lack across america, will be developed from having to keep reacting/protesting/uniting when we are shot to death.
Decision reached. Announcement likely pending later today.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...48e7e4-71d7-11e4-893f-86bd390a3340_story.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...48e7e4-71d7-11e4-893f-86bd390a3340_story.html
Random Painted HIghway
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Well this all should be fascinating to watch unfold.
"So...any ideas on how to word this nicely?" is the vibe I'm getting from how all this is shaking out.
They better release all the evidence if there is no indictment. I doubt it will help stop riots, but will paint a full picture of what happened beyond initial reports.
It seems there is wide leeway in what police are allowed to do and self defense laws in general that the emotions of these cases will rarely line up with legal realities.
It seems there is wide leeway in what police are allowed to do and self defense laws in general that the emotions of these cases will rarely line up with legal realities.
Punchy4486
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When there is no indictment, who do you think will be the first person to hop in this thread and post something along the lines of "See? He was a thug. Justice done."
As long as you're not shooting unarmed people with their arms up, you should be fine. That is the general rule for most societies.
People from all walks of life are protesting, including federal employees and ex law enforcement.
American society needs to take a real hard look at itself if there is no trial. A young person has died and there should be a transparent process in place to find out who did what and where.
It is not about vengeance even if some people project personal experiences into this case and act violently during protests, our institutions should always send a strong message that when someone dies under mysterious circumstances it is handled seriously.
Take all the institutional racism away and it is still a big mess if Wilson walks. That would NEVER happen in any other developed country and we all know that without a shadow of a doubt.
It is not about vengeance even if some people project personal experiences into this case and act violently during protests, our institutions should always send a strong message that when someone dies under mysterious circumstances it is handled seriously.
Take all the institutional racism away and it is still a big mess if Wilson walks. That would NEVER happen in any other developed country and we all know that without a shadow of a doubt.
The Lamonster
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It'd be awesome if they actually decided to indict the officer. Sure, a petty crime suspect would go down in history as a civil rights hero, but it would finally force some change in the way of police interaction with minorities.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Except when mob mentality takes over and people not involved end up attacked. Happens all the time, most notably during the LA riots.
Except it probsbly won't. While there already is SOME change going on, it won't come from an indictment of Wilson, it's going to com from societal pressure.
Mammoth Jones
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"I contend that the cry of "black power" is, at bottom, a reaction to the reluctance of white power to make the kind of changes necessary to make justice a reality for the Negro. I think that we've got to see that a riot is the language of the unheard."
The problem with this, is that "AMERICAN SOCIETY" sees nothing wrong with the justice system when these things happen. These things have been happening. This isn't a first, and as the threads are today, isn't going to be the last. You have a ruling class of people who don't share the concerns with the other classes. Ruling as in, politicians/voting/businesmen, etc. Remember, Zimmerman would have walked just based on his story alone, and people are fine with that. People are getting off, like that.
Its a large problem and it isn't just isolated to blacks, as you're saying. But the types of people complaining about these issues aren't the type of people that those who might vote against police reform, share. America has a "fuck you, i've got mine." mentality. As far as the police problem, its "If you're not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't care/you wouldn't be in that position. Like me, and my private driver, he never drives to Harlem! See!?" The same way people can largely justify the homeless epidemic here with "They got themselves there." is the same way people of certain classes shrug off the police problem.
ICKE, we had Ferguson PD attacking members of the press here. Anywhere else, thats a serious offense. Here, the justification was that they were helping out the looters. Or some how empathizing with the criminal element there. It is always a team system Republicans Vs Democrats with no middle ground. OR, you're for police(but can't admit to any problems with police, because ultimately the law is the law; Unless its NFL/Politicians/Wealthy people; ) -- or against them.
No one cares that america has a private prison system with a prison population of labor consisting of mostly brown people that outpaces China and other nations combined. Think about that mentality. That mentality is the global one that you're hoping will take a moment to reflect?
Of course Brolic, because they are all animals.
OO Mammoth nice, and call`
-jfk
A group of people protesting is always subject to what random people do. Its how people are. Different and unique. There are dangers inherent with angry people upset because they keep getting shot by the police. Nothing from Ferguson has lead me to believe that the diverse crowd is going to attack a postal worker, any more than any other random person.
The Technomancer
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I'm sitting here with a tight ball of anger in my stomach, if there's no indictment...
Goddamn I'm just so furious at this whole thing
Goddamn I'm just so furious at this whole thing
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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Probably that guy that really really really likes Glenn Beck.
depths20XX
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What's the headline? It just says "Today is the day" when I got there. I don't think that implies it's a warzone.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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Go take some antacids man cause it is only gonna get worse.
Dusktildawn48
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I live in stl and a lot of friends saying they're seeing alot of police out
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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Comedy.
Gotta say, I really didn't see that turn coming.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
You must not know what mob mentality is. It has nothing to do with race or being "animals". Nice try at baiting though.
If the Wire and West Wing taught me anything it's that speech writing is suuuuuuuper difficult.
And highly entertaining.
BFIB
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Oh, it had a quick one that read something like "City on the Brink!" when I clicked.
Regardless, we just were told that our offices in downtown St. Louis are closing at 5:00. However, local media is reporting that no announcement is imminent.
Hari Seldon
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I'm waiting for the leak at this point. Too many people are getting advance warning of the decision for it not to leak.
The whole situation reminds me of the shower scene from The Rock...
"Stand down"
"No, you stand down!"
And then someone accidentally bumps into something and one guy gets spooked and all the shots get fired.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYuZX7swc5Y
Goddamn, I need to watch The Rock again.
something to get my mind off this situation.
Not trying to make light out of this but this is how it feels right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu3NbUReijU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu3NbUReijU
BFIB
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This whole situation was fucked up from minute one from the local PD in Ferguson.
You know, after killing an unarmed man and all.
Heh, all the cops I know are ready for whatever goes happens. Even though we are far away from Ferguson, cops I know from multiple jurisdictions have riot gear and extra gear ready to be called. Even detectives and cops that no longer do patrol. Police are practically expecting riots all over the US from what they tell me.
Well it's just like the "riots". The police are the ones who escalated the situation by throwing tear gas into the crowd giving the bad apples a chance to act and then all the protesters get blamed and everyone ignores what the police did.
The so called professionals can do whatever the hell they want but the everyday people are being held to some higher standard for some reason.
Sectorseven
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That's basically how the Revolutionary War started too.
I have to say, the live feeds from the last protests were some of the scariest shit I've ever watched. Just a sense of doom...I honestly felt if some of the town leaders and elders were not out, crowds of people were going to get mowed down by the cops.
The pleading with them to not march forward was just so sad.
The pleading with them to not march forward was just so sad.
Agreed. And yet most people are putting the expectations on protesters to behave while have guns pointed at them.
Exactly.
I didn't mention race. Just said animals. Hmm.
I've said the crowd is diverse multiple times. That would mean that I don't believe that mob mentality has anything to do with race, else I would have specified race.
Ziltoidia 9
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Anyone know if Tim Pool is planning on streaming tonight?
His coverage in August was amazing.
His coverage in August was amazing.
It would be great if they put as much effort in changing the police force and how they deal with the public (including shooting them) as they are for gearing up for battle versus American citizens.
Exactly. They all think its the fucking superbowl...
In an ideal world, if multiple cops are apprehending a suspect and one goes off the deep end on said suspect, guns and attention need to immediately be turned towards the cop committing a crime and arrest them on the spot.
Read about some woman shooting herself on accident while mentioning they were "getting ready" for Furgeson.
Story seems sketchy as all fuck, but I mean you can't make this shit up anymore. Some of the reactions I'm reading out of this are getting way out there.
Story seems sketchy as all fuck, but I mean you can't make this shit up anymore. Some of the reactions I'm reading out of this are getting way out there.
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