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[DaveH]

I like the theory but think his method of killing (heart stabbing and manipulating hits) is too low key to match a being with that scope of tech and power.

Of course, Smallville reimagined AI Jor-El as more or less a monstrous super-villain... so there's clearly room for adaptation... but less so for internal inconsistency.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

I could've sworn there was a discussion on Wells being

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Metron

before here but I guess not... Maybe it was pre-season talk or something.

 

[Septimus Prime]

I've never actually seen that character fight or kill in comics or other media before, so I honestly have no idea how he'd do it.

Here is what Wikipedia says about his powers and abilities (bolding mine):

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Metron has demonstrated numerous god-like abilities somewhat inconsistently throughout his history. Metron is a super-genius who has explored the universe and gained a vast amount of knowledge. Although Himon is his superior at devising scientific theories, Metron surpasses Himon as a creator of inventions based on scientific theories. Metron travels in his flying Mobius Chair, which enables him to travel through time, outer space, and other dimensions. Its tractor beams are powerful enough to carry a planet along behind the chair. He has also created incredible technological wonders that are too numerous to mention here. Metron is believed not to be a skilled hand to hand combatant.

Honestly, it sounds like him to me.

This still doesn't explain who Yellow Suit is, though, or how they're related.

 

[Supermanisdead]

The crossover promo was funny.

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The scene where Arrow "misses" but he missed on purpose! He's so smart! Lmao. When these shows play into these generic tropes, they are really dumb.

 

[Xemnas89]

Your post got lost in the shuffle, but I think you nailed it: Wells is

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Metron

. It would explain everything:

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-He has access to amazing technology from New Genesis.
-He can travel through time at will and see the future.
-His prerogative is to keep the timeline intact, which is why he wants to keep Barry alive (so he can stop Crisis on Infinite Earths) but doesn't sweat about unleashing Grodd.
-He has New God durability, which is why getting arc blasted by Blackout doesn't kill him.
-He can stand but usually doesn't.

I really, really think this is it.

Never would've thought of that (because I knew nothing about it.) Would be quite awesome if that was the case.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Your post got lost in the shuffle, but I think you nailed it: Wells is

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Metron

. It would explain everything:

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-He has access to amazing technology from New Genesis.
-He can travel through time at will and see the future.
-His prerogative is to keep the timeline intact, which is why he wants to keep Barry alive (so he can stop Crisis on Infinite Earths) but doesn't sweat about unleashing Grodd.
-He has New God durability, which is why getting arc blasted by Blackout doesn't kill him.
-He can stand but usually doesn't.

...hoooolyyyy shhh--

I really, really think this is it.

Holy Christ in Heaven.

lol damn near perfect reaction

 

[Magwik]

I hope RF is Barrys dad just to fuck out people.

 

[ReiGun]

It's also a Geoff Johns trope. For example every issue of Green Lantern that he wrote began with a Hal Jordan monologue catching the reader up and would always include "My name is Hal Jordan and I'm Green Lantern."

This reminds me I miss the little introductions for characters DC would put at the beginning of every book.

Your post got lost in the shuffle, but I think you nailed it: Wells is

Spoiler

Metron

. It would explain everything:

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-He has access to amazing technology from New Genesis.
-He can travel through time at will and see the future.
-His prerogative is to keep the timeline intact, which is why he wants to keep Barry alive (so he can stop Crisis on Infinite Earths) but doesn't sweat about unleashing Grodd.
-He has New God durability, which is why getting arc blasted by Blackout doesn't kill him.
-He can stand but usually doesn't.

I really, really think this is it.

Mother of Moses....yes. I want this.

 

[G-Fex]

I don't understand.

Why is Wells so surprised/upset by Captain Cold. Was he not part of the timeline?

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I don't understand.

Why is Wells so surprised/upset by Captain Cold. Was he not part of the timeline?

He is now, baby!

I think it's more that Wells can't predict exactly what will happen. The future is malleable. Cisco basically created a weapon that can slow Barry down, and it's something that didn't happen in the original timeline, which is why it surprised Wells so much. Now there's a criminal out there with a weapon that can stop him.

That or Wells was just putting on a face in front of everyone and Captain Cold always existed.

 

[call_kotaku]

In the pilot, did the red streak or the yellow streak carry young Barry away from the house?

 

[Neoxon]

I don't understand.

Why is Wells so surprised/upset by Captain Cold. Was he not part of the timeline?

It's the idea that Cisco made a weapon that could stop The Flash, so I assume that it was a change to the timeline.

 

[Seth C]

If you're expecting award winning acting and a quality script you're going to be disappointed.

Flash (And Arrow) is just dumb fun.
Suspend disbelief, don't take everything seriously and you're going to enjoy it.

While I fully agree with what you're saying, some of the aching in Flash crosses the line to distracting. The villains of the week in particular. Almost none of them have been capable of acting, even a little bit.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

In the pilot, did the red streak or the yellow streak carry young Barry away from the house?

It was the yellow lightning feller.

 

[googleplex]

Your post got lost in the shuffle, but I think you nailed it: Wells is

Spoiler

Metron

. It would explain everything:

Spoiler

-He has access to amazing technology from New Genesis.
-He can travel through time at will and see the future.
-His prerogative is to keep the timeline intact, which is why he wants to keep Barry alive (so he can stop Crisis on Infinite Earths) but doesn't sweat about unleashing Grodd.
-He has New God durability, which is why getting arc blasted by Blackout doesn't kill him.
-He can stand but usually doesn't.

I really, really think this is it.

My God... it all fits.

 

[Joni]

I wouldn't count CW out. They know the value of DC shows & wouldn't put them in a bad time slot. Plus they'd give it more advertising.

They don't have the space to give it a good time slot.

 

[Mariolee]

Anyone notice that the Wayne Tech/Queen Industries merger fell through in the alternate future? Neat touch.

 

[Chariot]

Your post got lost in the shuffle, but I think you nailed it: Wells is

Spoiler

Metron

. It would explain everything:

Spoiler

-He has access to amazing technology from New Genesis.
-He can travel through time at will and see the future.
-His prerogative is to keep the timeline intact, which is why he wants to keep Barry alive (so he can stop Crisis on Infinite Earths) but doesn't sweat about unleashing Grodd.
-He has New God durability, which is why getting arc blasted by Blackout doesn't kill him.
-He can stand but usually doesn't.

I really, really think this is it.

Oh god it all makes sense. Holy cow!

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Anyone notice that the Wayne Tech/Queen Industries merger fell through in the alternate future? Neat touch.

THE TIME STREAM IS BREAKING DOWN

 

[Vermillion]

Your post got lost in the shuffle, but I think you nailed it: Wells is

Spoiler

Metron

. It would explain everything:

Spoiler

-He has access to amazing technology from New Genesis.
-He can travel through time at will and see the future.
-His prerogative is to keep the timeline intact, which is why he wants to keep Barry alive (so he can stop Crisis on Infinite Earths) but doesn't sweat about unleashing Grodd.
-He has New God durability, which is why getting arc blasted by Blackout doesn't kill him.
-He can stand but usually doesn't.

I really, really think this is it.

Holy shit. That could very well... wow.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I think this episode confirmed that Eddie is not Reverse Flash. He didn't heal from the bullet and the dude is too sweet to be psycho Reverse Flash.

Even if Iris dumped him, I don't see this dude turning evil.

 

[Seth C]

I think this episode confirmed that Eddie is not Reverse Flash. He didn't heal from the bullet and the dude is too sweet to be psycho Reverse Flash.

Even if Iris dumped him, I don't see this dude turning evil.

Zoom doesn't have accelerated healing. He just alters the perception of time. So unless he slowed relative time around himself he wouldn't appear to heal quickly to those around him.

But I think he is more likely the father of Zoom, or something of that sort.

 

[Joni]

Or Wells is future Eddie. Eddie'll have to try hard not to become the bad guy Wells is.

 

[Dominican Power]

Your post got lost in the shuffle, but I think you nailed it: Wells is

Spoiler

Metron

. It would explain everything:

Spoiler

-He has access to amazing technology from New Genesis.
-He can travel through time at will and see the future.
-His prerogative is to keep the timeline intact, which is why he wants to keep Barry alive (so he can stop Crisis on Infinite Earths) but doesn't sweat about unleashing Grodd.
-He has New God durability, which is why getting arc blasted by Blackout doesn't kill him.
-He can stand but usually doesn't.

I really, really think this is it.

When did he get hit by Blackout? He hit his wheelchair and then when he was about to be hit a 2nd time, Barry saved him.

 

[Skux]

Another amazing episode. They just keep knocking them out.

Arrow could learn a thing or two from these villains. The point of a good villain-of-the-week isn't just to terrorise people and take hostages and be someone the hero defeats, but to be a character that helps develop the main characters and show us more about them.

Blackout brought out a ruthless and mysterious side of Wells we haven't seen before, and that affected the whole team.

Blackout also taking Barry's powers created a whole new dynamic between the team and showed us just how much Barry and his powers are intertwined.

Tockman was less influential but we got glimpses of how he affects the relationship between Iris and the Flash.

I swear they are just giving us shipping bait now lol. Those looks...

 

[Volimar]

I swear they are just giving us shipping bait now lol. Those looks...

They'll start getting cozy just in time for

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Firestorm

 

[Grizzlyjin]

There has literally been nothing in the show that the current version we have of Eddie is anything more than what we've seen of him. A heel turn would at this point would make as much sense as Joe being Reverse Flash.

Wells and Eddie being the same person also doesn't make much sense since it isn't like we are seeing Eddie at 15. They're both grown men and don't look alike.

Another odd thing is that if Wells currently had powers, he could have killed all those people without having to prey on their surprise that he can walk. And other than him faking the whole not being able to walk thing, there has been no indications that he has powers at the moment. Only that the other Flash and him share similar interest.

 

[Chariot]

There has literally been nothing in the show that the current version we have of Eddie is anything more than what we've seen of him. A heel turn would at this point would make as much sense as Joe being Reverse Flash.

Wells and Eddie being the same person also doesn't make much sense since it isn't like we are seeing Eddie at 15. They're both grown men and don't look alike.

Another odd thing is that if Wells currently had powers, he could have killed all those people without having to prey on their surprise that he can walk. And other than him faking the whole not being able to walk thing, there has been no indications that he has powers at the moment. Only that the other Flash and him share similar interest.

Not every super powered being is actually suited to fight. If Wells is

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Metron it's entirely possible that he wasn't actually able to fight Blackout one on one. From what I gather he is mostly an genious intelect, but not a fighter.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

They'll start getting cozy just in time for

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Firestorm

Not if the

Spoiler

Firestorm

that is Oliver's loins as

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Ronnie and Barry watch helplessly from a distance

.

 

[Skux]

This is my new E3 hype/megaton gif

 

[TheOddOne]

 

[Tabby]

While I fully agree with what you're saying, some of the aching in Flash crosses the line to distracting. The villains of the week in particular. Almost none of them have been capable of acting, even a little bit.

Personal preference I guess.
I mean I wouldn't get a quality actor if I was just going to kill him/her at the end of the episode (Plastique).

 

[brotkasten]

Or Wells is future Eddie. Eddie'll have to try hard not to become the bad guy Wells is.

I wouldn't call Wells the bad guy just yet. His character might seem that way at first, but you might as well say the same about Ray Palmer on Arrow and that guy's definitely supposed to be "good".

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

Personal preference I guess.
I mean I wouldn't get a quality actor if I was just going to kill him/her at the end of the episode (Plastique).

Yeah, they probably work cheap, save the money for people you'll be using more than once and whatever is left over into the VFX.

 

[Wiktor]

Caitlin: Doctor Wells...did you just get hard?

 

[Joni]

I wouldn't call Wells the bad guy just yet. His character might seem that way at first, but you might as well say the same about Ray Palmer on Arrow and that guy's definitely supposed to be "good".

Ray's deatht toll is a bit lower.

 

[Sappy113]

Yes. Especially since Green Arrow traditionally has done a lot more with his real-life persona than Batman did, It would be good to see him help Starling at Day as CEO and save it at night as Arrow.
But for that he needs to regain his will to live as a human. For now it seems there's just Arrow there, Oliver has pretty much dissapeared. He really needs some tips from Barry on how to be happy whole being a superhero

Barry also watched his Mom get murdered, so they have that in common.

He didn't get to watch his Dad shoot himself, though, nor was Barry ever subjected to the trials Oliver went through in that 5-year stint. Nor did he just experience the murder of a girl he loved.

I do hope they set up Oliver with an arc in which he can get to BE Oliver again, instead of just the Arrow, but there's a pretty big difference of how the characters became Arrow/The Flash, so it wouldn't be very believable if Oliver walked around with a goofy grin.

 

[Klyka]

I think my favorite bit from the crossover preview is

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Barry freaking out and going "HE SAID HE DIDN'T KNOOOOOOW!!" when Ollie interrogates the guy

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

Theory:

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Wells experiments on Eddie Thawne and manipulates him into become Reverse Flash just so he can go back in time to kill Barry's mother and ensure the timeline remains intact. Meanwhile that future Reverse Flash is still around in the present and still associates with Wells which is why he threatened Joe.

That's the only way I can tie it together especially now that we've seen Wells express interest in transferring Barry's powers.

 

[DeathyBoy]

Your post got lost in the shuffle, but I think you nailed it: Wells is

Spoiler

Metron

. It would explain everything:

Spoiler

-He has access to amazing technology from New Genesis.
-He can travel through time at will and see the future.
-His prerogative is to keep the timeline intact, which is why he wants to keep Barry alive (so he can stop Crisis on Infinite Earths) but doesn't sweat about unleashing Grodd.
-He has New God durability, which is why getting arc blasted by Blackout doesn't kill him.
-He can stand but usually doesn't.

I really, really think this is it.

That'd be absolutely amazing.

And at the same time make his story re: his wife chilling given the implications of the 'factor' in question.

 

[DeathyBoy]

Caitlin: Doctor Wells...did you just get hard?

Captain Cold swags onto a train, Harrison Wells gets a hard-on through sheer intensity... the villains on this show, dude...

 

[BowieZ]

How is Grant Gustin's acting performance in this? Such a huge crush on him!

 

[Paganmoon]

Your post got lost in the shuffle, but I think you nailed it: Wells is

Spoiler

Metron

. It would explain everything:

Spoiler

-He has access to amazing technology from New Genesis.
-He can travel through time at will and see the future.
-His prerogative is to keep the timeline intact, which is why he wants to keep Barry alive (so he can stop Crisis on Infinite Earths) but doesn't sweat about unleashing Grodd.
-He has New God durability, which is why getting arc blasted by Blackout doesn't kill him.
-He can stand but usually doesn't.

I really, really think this is it.

Well, I feel stupid for thinking Wells was

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Professor Zoom

. In my defense, all I know about DC lore is from the little I've learned from DCUO.

Also, the actor playing Wells has the longest neck ever.

 

[CreeperBlocks]

How is Grant Gustin's acting performance in this? Such a huge crush on him!

He's great!. He feels more like if Peter Parker was The Flash.. If that makes sense

 

[wetflame]

Barry, I think it's safe for you to say that you're the fastest man ever, not just the fastest man alive. I doubt there are dead dudes who reached 600mph.

 

[jon bones]

Barry, I think it's safe for you to say that you're the fastest man ever, not just the fastest man alive. I doubt there are dead dudes who reached 600mph.

damn homie you got the hook up with that tag

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Did he approach the speed of light there when he saved Wells? It looks like he connected with the Speed Force (or created it) and the lightning froze from his perspective. Wouldn't that level of time dilation require speeds much faster than the speed of sound?

 

[Klyka]

Did he approach the speed of light there when he saved Wells? It looks like he connected with the Speed Force (or created it) and the lightning froze from his perspective. Wouldn't that level of time dilation require speeds much faster than the speed of sound?

He definitely "kicked it up a notch"

 

[Seth C]

Personal preference I guess.
I mean I wouldn't get a quality actor if I was just going to kill him/her at the end of the episode (Plastique).

They don't need to get people who will work for free. Haha. There are PLENTY of good, struggling actors and actresses out there.

Did he approach the speed of light there when he saved Wells? It looks like he connected with the Speed Force (or created it) and the lightning froze from his perspective. Wouldn't that level of time dilation require speeds much faster than the speed of sound?

I'm pretty sure he had to approach or even exceed the speed of light to do what he did.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I swear they are just giving us shipping bait now lol. Those looks...

I want this to happen more than Barry and Iris, but then again, I've loved Danielle Panabaker since she was on Shark with James Wood.

This is my new E3 hype/megaton gif

These two are gonna get some use.

I think my favorite bit from the crossover preview is

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Barry freaking out and going "HE SAID HE DIDN'T KNOOOOOOW!!" when Ollie interrogates the guy

Reminds of the scene in Season 2 with Arrow and Quentin, where Quentin freaks the fuck out and then immediately apologizes to the perp. It was hilarious.

Theory:

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Wells experiments on Eddie Thawne and manipulates him into become Reverse Flash just so he can go back in time to kill Barry's mother and ensure the timeline remains intact. Meanwhile that future Reverse Flash is still around in the present and still associates with Wells which is why he threatened Joe.

This will be bananas.

How is Grant Gustin's acting performance in this? Such a huge crush on him!

He's great.