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[Jorok Goldblade]

There's been a lot of speculation as to whether or not Eddie is Reverse Flash / Zoom, but there's also another villain in the Thawne lineage who he could be:

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Malcolm_Thawne_(New_Earth)

It also fits the CW's soapy inclinations better.

 

[MHWilliams]

Why do people hate Iris? I don't get it.

I don't hate Iris. I actually enjoy the way they've been handling her character, outside of stringing the identity thing along.

I just don't get her and Barry as any sort of couple. Great friends, but I'm haven't felt the romantic entanglement until the last episode, and that's from Iris towards this concept she has of The Flash.

 

[morningbus]

There's been a lot of speculation as to whether or not Eddie is Reverse Flash / Zoom, but there's also another villain in the Thawne lineage who he could be:

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Malcolm_Thawne_(New_Earth)

It also fits the CW's soapy inclinations better.

On the stormy night of May 13, two pregnant women came to the office of Fallville, Iowa's Dr. Gilmore. However, the doctor had been drinking, and he had sent his nurse home. The child of one of the women, Charlene Thawne, had been strangled on its own umbilical cord, and Gilmore was too intoxicated to save the poor baby. However, the other woman, Nora Allen, successfully gave birth to twin boys. Gilmore, trying to be fair, gave one of the twins to the Thawne family, telling the Allens that one of their children had been stillborn. The twin that remained with the Allens was named Barry, and he grew up to be the Flash. The other twin, however, was raised by the Thawnes, and he was named Malcolm.

When I first started reading it, I was like, "man, another poorly written article from a niche wiki site." But then I realized there was no better way to say it.

 

[ReiGun]

People's biggest problems with Iris, near as I can tell, are her not noticing Barry's romantic feelings, her not knowing Barry is the Flash, and her not being "kick ass" (that is, involving herself in metahuman stuff by way of her blog even though she can't do anything about it).

Honestly, all three are kinda lame. On the first one, she clearly sees Barry as her brother/best friend. It likely doesn't even occur to her to think of him like that, and really, everyone's been in a situation like that so it's not like she's being dumb or whatever. On the second, how would she know? There's no clues she could follow that would lead her to think the guy she grew up with would suddenly have super speed.

The third has some merit, given how much the writers botched the whole "getting Iris to stop blogging" thing. First she was doing it for Barry, but then in the same episode, she's suddenly doing it for other reasons. So I get that. But even then, Joe and Barry botched that by not just telling her Barry is the Flash. They just gave her some vague bullshit she easily saw through and did what she wanted.

Overall, I think she's a harmless character. The romance is going no where because her and Barry work too well as friends, but they got time to try and course correct on that. It really does seem to me like people just see her as "the new Laurel" and are hating her just because they hate that character. Iris hasn't even had time to earn being hated.

 

[Spiritreaver]

Iris is fine. Boring, but fine, and boring is good. Laurel is not boring, but annoying as fuck.

 

[Unspeakable Evil]

I don't hate Iris. I actually enjoy the way they've been handling her character, outside of stringing the identity thing along.

I just don't get her and Barry as any sort of couple. Great friends, but I'm haven't felt the romantic entanglement until the last episode, and that's from Iris towards this concept she has of The Flash.

Honestly, Iris friendzoning Barry isn't even that bad. Her dad let him live with them, she went to visit in hospital, and she was trying to make him hook up with Felicity. She pretty much loves him but isn't in love with him.

 

[ReiGun]

Yeah Iris is actually a pretty awesome friend. A better friend than most people have.

If Barry wants to smang so badly, he should have stepped up like my man Eddie da gawd did.

 

[MHWilliams]

Honestly, Iris friendzoning Barry isn't even that bad. Her dad let him live with them, she went to visit in hospital, and she was trying to make him hook up with Felicity. She pretty much loves him but isn't in love with him.

I mean, the romantic thing is totally on Barry. Barry and Iris are great friends, I'm just not seeing romantic love in there.

Caitlin and Barry? Those are some vibes.

And I agree they'd need to do some crazy dark shit to make Eddie work as Reverse. I'm actually starting to like him.

 

[ReiGun]

When my man Cisco gonna get a girl? Plastique wasn't even trying to show the kid love.

 

[Spiritreaver]

I'd really like to see some Cisco stuff soon. He just seems to be kinda there for comic relief and being yelled at by Wells.

 

[ReiGun]

I wonder how close his home life is going to be to the comics, particularly the New 52 (which is what I'm most familiar with). Cisco Ramon in the comics isn't a super genius, so the character we see in the show is already pretty different.

 

[Neoxon]

I mean, the romantic thing is totally on Barry. Barry and Iris are great friends, I'm just not seeing romantic love in there.

Caitlin and Barry? Those are some vibes.

And I agree they'd need to do some crazy dark shit to make Eddie work as Reverse. I'm actually starting to like him.

- It's destiny, Barry & Iris have to get together eventually.
- That pairing will go out the window when Firestorm comes along,

Spoiler

& when Caitlin inevitably becomes Killer Frost.

- You don't just throw the Thawne name out there & do nothing with the character.

 

[MHWilliams]

- It's destiny, Barry & Iris have to get together eventually.
- That pairing will go out the window when Firestorm comes along,

Spoiler

& when Caitlin inevitably becomes Killer Frost.

- You don't just throw the Thawne name out there & do nothing with the character.

You're not talking to a comic-ignorant viewer here.

-Barry and Iris is still on the outs in comic, though I can't believe the Spivot thing will last forever. Either way, it's not at the top of DC's plans, much like Lois and Clark.
-Killer Frost will happen in some fashion, though I doubt you'll see the character go evil like her comic counterpart.
-Eddie is the red herring. I'm still of the mindset that

Spoiler

Wells is Eddie descendant, Eobard Thawne

.

If Arrow has shown anything, it's that Berlanti and crew are happy to twist things for their own purposes.

 

[Neoxon]

You're not talking to a comic-ignorant viewer here.

-Barry and Iris is still on the outs in comic, though I can't believe the Spivot thing will last forever. Either way, it's not at the top of DC's plans, much like Lois and Clark.
-Killer Frost will happen in some fashion, though I doubt you'll see the character go evil like her comic counterpart.
-Eddie is the red herring. I'm still of the mindset that

Spoiler

Wells is Eddie descendant, Eobard Thawne

.

If Arrow has shown anything, it's that Berlanti and crew are happy to twist things for their own purposes.

Even then, there are certain things you don't change, like Laurel becoming Black Canary like in the comics. Some things are inevitable. And my point still stands, anyone with the Thawne name is involved with Reverse Flash in some way. Eddie's involvement is a mystery for now, but my gut tells me that it's him. Wells could be a Thawne, but we don't know that for sure (he could also be Hunter Zolomon for all we know).

Spoiler

As for Killer Frost, she will at least take an antagonistic role. Plus she's a villain who's been on the rise in the comics & in other forms of media. With Firestorm coming, why wouldn't they give him Killer Frost to fight? Plus, having a team of Flash, Firestorm & possibly Vibe if Cisco does become Vibe going up against Killer Frost would be sick.

 

[Joni]

Alias?

Yes.

Even then, there are certain things you don't change, like Laurel becoming Black Canary like in the comics.

It is about the only big comic thing that they were planning from the beginning that is still true. The Laurel-Oliver love ship has sunk long ago.

 

[Jest Chillin]

Even then, there are certain things you don't change, like Laurel becoming Black Canary like in the comics. Some things are inevitable. And my point still stands, anyone with the Thawne name is involved with Reverse Flash in some way. Eddie's involvement is a mystery for now, but my gut tells me that it's him. Wells could be a Thawne, but we don't know that for sure (he could also be Hunter Zolomon for all we know).

Spoiler

As for Killer Frost, she will at least take an antagonistic role. Plus she's a villain who's been on the rise in the comics & in other forms of media. With Firestorm coming, why wouldn't they give him Killer Frost to fight? Plus, having a team of Flash, Firestorm & possibly Vibe if Cisco does become Vibe going up against Killer Frost would be sick.

Regarding Laurel... it's worth noting that

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Berlanti did indeed twist the hell out of traditional Black Canary and Laurel ended up with bits of various versions of Canary's alter-ego's and Sara ended up with some others. Laurel being destined for Ollie is pretty much the only thing that's "true" but we only know that because the producers said so in an early interview.

 

[Kard8p3]

Spoiler

As for Killer Frost, she will at least take an antagonistic role. Plus she's a villain who's been on the rise in the comics & in other forms of media. With Firestorm coming, why wouldn't they give him Killer Frost to fight? Plus, having a team of Flash, Firestorm & possibly Vibe if Cisco does become Vibe going up against Killer Frost would be sick.

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I don't want her to be evil cuz BarryxCaitlin 4evur

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Even then, there are certain things you don't change, like Laurel becoming Black Canary like in the comics. Some things are inevitable. And my point still stands, anyone with the Thawne name is involved with Reverse Flash in some way. Eddie's involvement is a mystery for now, but my gut tells me that it's him. Wells could be a Thawne, but we don't know that for sure (he could also be Hunter Zolomon for all we know).

Spoiler

As for Killer Frost, she will at least take an antagonistic role. Plus she's a villain who's been on the rise in the comics & in other forms of media. With Firestorm coming, why wouldn't they give him Killer Frost to fight? Plus, having a team of Flash, Firestorm & possibly Vibe if Cisco does become Vibe going up against Killer Frost would be sick.

There's no way that

Spoiler

Killer Frost will be evil.

 

[ZeroX03]

There's no way that

Spoiler

Killer Frost will be evil.

Not intentionally evil, but she's probably going to kill a few people to live.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

They should get Tom Welling to play a bad guy on Flash or Arrow.

Dude always was at his best in Smallville when he was playing Evil Clark.

 

[call_kotaku]

They should get Tom Welling to play a bad guy on Flash or Arrow.

Dude always was at his best in Smallville when he was playing Evil Clark.

Is he still acting? I can't recall seeing him in anything ever

 

[Joni]

Is he still acting? I can't recall seeing him in anything ever

It is not an impressive resume but:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkland_(film)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_Day
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Choice_(film)
It is the Superman Curse.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

It is not an impressive resume but:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkland_(film)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_Day
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Choice_(film)
It is the Superman Curse.

Cavill needs to start getting roles as far from Superman as possible. Play a serial killer in a critically acclaimed crime flick.

 

[Tizoc]

I've yet to watch Ep. 7 but man Wells

Spoiler

is my #1 suspect as Reverse Flash. I'd like the show to prove me otherwise but as is, Wells is my prime suspect.
Dat Grodd teaser doe

 

[guek]

My biggest gripe with Iris is the whole superhero fetish-fantasy that the CW is unfortunately playing up. Every scene with Iris and Flash feels like awkward erotic role play and it just feels weird and childish.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

My biggest gripe with Iris is the whole superhero fetish-fantasy that the CW is unfortunately playing up. Every scene with Iris and Flash feels like awkward erotic role play and it just feels weird and childish.

I agree.

If she falls for The Flash in a romantic sense, I will punch someone.

 

[Freshmaker]

Barry was far away. Yet he started running AFTER the bolt left his hand, caught up to it, passed it, and had time to look at it and to his perception it was moving in slow motion. He was going fast. Fast, fast. I don't care how slow the electricity was moving. Barry was going much faster than it was.

Compared to the cold beam fail, he definitely stepped it up in that scene.

I've yet to watch Ep. 7 but man Wells

Spoiler

is my #1 suspect as Reverse Flash. I'd like the show to prove me otherwise but as is, Wells is my prime suspect.
Dat Grodd teaser doe

It's so stupidly obvious the only thing that can be spoiled now is the when.

 

[More_Badass]

Compared to the cold beam fail, he definitely stepped it up in that scene.

It's so stupidly obvious the only thing that can be spoiled now is the when.

And yet he'll be fighting some regular guy who uses a bow and arrow and somehow not win in less than a second

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

I hate the island. I hate all the flashbacks. Enough with the flashbacks Ollie.

The hell, the island was the best part of the show from the midpoint of S1 till S3.

 

[brotkasten]

And yet he'll be fighting some regular guy who uses a bow and arrow and somehow not win in less than a second

They're still supposed to be friends and not going for kills. And Barry is still green, he knows nothing about fighting anyone.

I agree.

If she falls for The Flash in a romantic sense, I will punch someone.

Of course she's going to fall for Flash in a romantic sense. She's Lois 2. And then she'll blog about it and crush Barry's heart forever. That will crush his heart forever and he'll turn into the Reverse Flash.

 

[Freshmaker]

And yet he'll be fighting some regular guy who uses a bow and arrow and somehow not win in less than a second

No way are they gonna have Flash just ROFOLstomp Arrow. Wouldn't do Arrow any good.

 

[DeathyBoy]

No way are they gonna have Flash just ROFOLstomp Arrow. Wouldn't do Arrow any good.

People are forgetting that Oliver is trained to fight.

He lands one punch, Barry's unconscious. If he gets Barry in a chokehold, Barry's unconscious. That's not up for debate. The Flash still hasn't learned how to fight.

Also, Iris clearly is in love with Barry. I'm all for male-female friendships, but play the drinking game of how many times she compliments Barry or says he'd make any woman happy. And you'll be stunningly drunk and all 'hey, Iris is overselling the awesome guy angle just a tad,'

 

[MisterFalcon]

No way are they gonna have Flash just ROFOLstomp Arrow. Wouldn't do Arrow any good.

-Arrow knocks out Flash
-Mysterious masked person fights and knocks out Arrow
-Masked person is revealed to be

Spoiler

Harrison Wells

-Both wake up and set aside their differences to find and defeat common foe

 

[ReiGun]

They'll find a way for Ollie to do fine through trickery and whatnot. That said, Barry is not going to job in his own show. It'll be a tie.

 

[Joni]

Also, Iris clearly is in love with Barry. I'm all for male-female friendships, but play the drinking game of how many times she compliments Barry or says he'd make any woman happy. And you'll be stunningly drunk and all 'hey, Iris is overselling the awesome guy angle just a tad,'

No, there are actual people like that.

 

[call_kotaku]

They'll find a way for Ollie to do fine through trickery and whatnot. That said, Barry is not going to job in his own show. It'll be a tie.

and then they'll make out while Felicity and Iris watch outside with radioactive playing in the background

Balliver is the one true ship

 

[Chariot]

and then they'll make out while Felicity and Iris watch outside with radioactive playing in the background

Balliver is the one true ship

OLRY?

 

[VeeP]

Nightwing!

Please. We need some Dick Grayson charisma.

 

[wetflame]

damn homie you got the hook up with that tag

It's pretty awesome. Also, I'm in the UK where we're apparently three weeks behind or something, so I can't actually read this thread in real time. Still, the show is awesome. Really surprised by how much I'm enjoying it.

 

[Wiktor]

And yet he'll be fighting some regular guy who uses a bow and arrow and somehow not win in less than a second

he's a weak dude and untrained one. Plenty of people have landed punches on him before and Oliver would make that one count. Barry wouldn;t get back up anytimes soon.
Anyway, if Oliver will beat Flash it will be some sort of trickery. Trick arrows, traps..heck...just hide and shoot him in the back.

 

[ZeroX03]

Ollie's also had months of prep time. He's no Batman, but I'm sure he started thinking of ways to take down Barry as soon as he found out about his powers.

Hopefully Arrow is buffed while crossing over, like how Batman suddenly gets a lot stronger in Justice League stuff.

 

[Fularu]

I recall the Producers saying that the Flashbacks would be in-time with the seasons. So S1 = Year 1, S2 = Year 2, etc.. however that could have changed in implementation but I can't recall at the moment if it did or not. I can't think of anything that expressedly shows that S1 and 2 were the first year and S3 is the second though, so can you clarify?

Never stated but the events on the Island can't have taken more than a few months from Ollie's arrival to the boat fight.

Seasons don't even change.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Barry and Felicity make too much sense to not happen. I could see her transitioning shows if/when Caitlin ever goes off the deep end. Iris is a much better written character than Laurel, but even then Laurel had a much better reason to be tsundere towards Ollie. I mean, he fucked her sister and got her 'killed', and then started banging her again as soon as she came back to town.

Iris and Barry just seem like they're destined to be friends. Even The Flash revealed his simp side this episode, when he was supposed to be distancing himself.

 

[jon bones]

Iris and Barry is weird and incestuous... Hopefully Barry and Felicity end up together or something.

 

[samn]

My biggest gripe with Iris is the whole superhero fetish-fantasy that the CW is unfortunately playing up. Every scene with Iris and Flash feels like awkward erotic role play and it just feels weird and childish.

I kinda like that....

 

[Freshmaker]

People are forgetting that Oliver is trained to fight.

He lands one punch, Barry's unconscious. If he gets Barry in a chokehold, Barry's unconscious. That's not up for debate. The Flash still hasn't learned how to fight.

Really that's not how it's work. Arrow would be standing still, then he'd be on the ground. There's no real way he'd be able to land a punch or get close enough to do a choke. The preview has him catching one of Flash's punches which is outright absurd.

But I can understand why they're nerfing the fight.

 

[Platy]

Really that's not how it's work. Arrow would be standing still, then he'd be on the ground. There's no real way he'd be able to land a punch or get close enough to do a choke. The preview has him catching one of Flash's punches which is outright absurd.

But I can understand why they're nerfing the fight.

To be fair the series flash need to conscously enter into speed mode and he can't do it all the time... so it is not like he can dodge the punches without seeing it coming or something

 

[Septimus Prime]

Never stated but the events on the Island can't have taken more than a few months from Ollie's arrival to the boat fight.

Seasons don't even change.

In the S2 flashbacks, I believe they do refer to the S1 flashbacks as "last year" or whatever, so I do think it's year by year.

And yeah, I think this Flash is only fast when he wants to be, so it would be easy to catch him off guard. In the last episode, even some random mugger gets the drop on him.

 

[DeathyBoy]

Really that's not how it's work. Arrow would be standing still, then he'd be on the ground. There's no real way he'd be able to land a punch or get close enough to do a choke. The preview has him catching one of Flash's punches which is outright absurd.

But I can understand why they're nerfing the fight.

My point was if Oliver punches/grabs Flash, it's over.

He's not trained on taking hits from anyone, let alone a guy who was trained by three excellent fighters AND worked for a covert government organisation. If Oliver lands a punch, Flash isn't getting up.

 

[Chariot]

Olli could also pull an Identity Crisis Deathstroke.

Maybe not with an actual sword and more with a tranquilizer or something.