I have a feeling they did that for the scene with dude and his lightsaber.Although it's unlikely that's the case it's not impossible either. For example this shot of Blink from Days of Future Past is from the trailer. However in the movieSo there definitely is a possibility of there being additions added later but we'll just have to wait and see.there are Nimrods stabbing her in this exact scene.
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Or it could be the Vibration Lens we've seen in KOTOR 2.
Dreams-Visions
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Saw this on reddit... let's compare
If they are trying to capture the feel of the OT I don't think they have quite met their match here. OT just looks incredibly detailed
Could they add more stuff through CGI? I mean, all that blank area behind him could be dressed up some I guess?
why are we comparing a Speeder cockpit to an X-Wing cockpit?
I think they could have picked a better actor for Anakin, sure, but I can't fully blame him for being wooden in Ep 2 or Ep 3. It's not like Lucas exactly gave him much to work with. Most of the characters in the prequels come off looking pretty wooden and boring. You can practically feel McGregor and Portman desperately trying to make something out of nothing. McDiarmid straight up seems to say "screw it" and goes full cheese in Episode 3.
Or it just looks like it evokes a generic broad sword hilt. I don't understand the leap in logic here to some kind of Christ-related symbolism.
brandonh83
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I'm just analyzing and making conversation. Star Wars has always had heavy Christian tones. I don't think it's a stretch whatsoever.
Dreams-Visions
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this is true too. script was awful. but i really felt like he mailed in his performance. it's one thing for a script to be uninspired; it's another thing for you to *look* uninspired as well.
Trojan
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I'm in that camp too. Have people considered that maybe the hilt on the lightsaber is just a stylistic choice of this particular Sith? It doesn't always have to be a practical reason or have religious undertones...maybe he just thought it looked cool and designed it that way.
I think he improved between Episode 2 and Episode 3. And as a testament to how awful Lucas's script was, Hayden's best acting came during the scenes where he wasn't talking at all.
brandonh83
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Yes. I think everyone has. I also think it's fine to speculate. That's what stuck out to me immediately when I saw it and I was just raising the question or possibility. If the movie comes out and they talk about the new design in some behind the scenes stuff or in art books, which they will, and explain it and it has nothing to do with that type of symbolism, fair enough. But either way, I'm just speculating so it's not like I'm throwing in my cards about that being why it's designed that way.
SargerusBR
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Superb!
It's certainly a stretch over the more basic connection between lightsaber and sword.
Cannot un-see, damn you!
neither have we seen Abrams interpretation of how a Lightsaber blade would look like.
maybe all of them will have the crackle going on.
His portrayal of the Enterprise firing their weapons looks vastly different to the depiction in the original series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5sfQtMbvxw
just because the trailer's art design is similar to keep it consistent with the original trilogy, special effect design like Lightsabers, Laser blasts, etc. don't necessarily need to be.
so i wouldn't put too much weight in the difference of the visuals of the blade of this particular light saber.
I don't see how anyone likes this. For all we know, the sith in the teaser could be a Mon Calamari and not "human" at all. Talk about making assumptions. Also, the coat isn't as tattered in the trailer.
Generic and inaccurate - bad fanart.
Monocle
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So what's the advantage of an unstable beam anyway, if a lightsaber can already cut through practically anything? Does it hit harder or something? Better knockback during saber clashes?
Also, the arm proportions are wack. Cool piece though.
bengraven
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Have you seen Spaced? There's a scene in the second series, after Ep 1 had happened, where the lights dim and go red on Peter's face and he says in his Maul voice, "at last...I shall have my revenge..."
Can't find the scene on Youtube, BUT I just learned via the Tube that Pete is a huge fucking Dark Souls fan and even has a Let's Play up...
MrPressStart
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The thing is... he was really at a disadvantage from the start. He had to play a powerful yet spoiled/ bratty kid that was immature in a lot of ways. I blame the idea of having Anakin so young in the first film. Jake Lloyd was about 3-5 years too young for the role and it carried over to Hayden. I feel aas if the first movie would have had a sligthly older character to build off of then it would have made a world of difference. Hayden is a great actor (see his glass house movie with Kevin Klein).... just not given too much to work with.
no, I just got it from this thread
Maybe it eat's through another sabers power cells or something
or maybe it's a dual phase saber, but the knowledge how to properly make it was lost
Yeah. Man, Episode 1 in general feels like a completely unnecessary movie. Episode 1 should have been Episode 2, Episode 2 should have been Episode 3, and Episode 3 should have been a movie about Vader going around hunting Jedi.
MrPressStart
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I am sticking with my thoughts that what we see in the trailer is a sith wannabe that is memsmorized in the dark arts and has made a feeble attempt to craft a saber. I believe he hunts out artifacts because he is obsessed with the dark side.
I see that snippet basically playing out like Luke when he was training with Yoda and he went into the cave... I believe this person is on a search for what he believes to be an ancient sith that can help him.
I also think this person is Han son.
I see that snippet basically playing out like Luke when he was training with Yoda and he went into the cave... I believe this person is on a search for what he believes to be an ancient sith that can help him.
I also think this person is Han son.
Gozer the Gozerian
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Was the whole Anakin virgin birth thing mentioned in the OT, or did that not come about until the prequels?
brandonh83
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I'm not talking about choice precedence. I'm not saying that's the absolute key reason for it, just a reason.
ComputerMKII
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Didn't know where to post this:
Darth Vader actor David Prowse reveals he has dementia: 'I'd love to be in Star Wars 7 but would probably forget my lines'
Darth Vader actor David Prowse reveals he has dementia: 'I'd love to be in Star Wars 7 but would probably forget my lines'
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
I don't think there was any prophecy/mystery shit about vader in the OT beyond him being Luke and Leia's dad. He was just a powerful jedi who got seduced to the dark side, it wasn't until the prequels that he was "the chosen one" and had all of the mini chlroforms.
This new saber looks bigger and heavier which means an old Luke can stand a chance (if they fight). The new fights will probably look more like the OT than PT where George Lucas originally wanted the lightsabers to feel heavy and whatnot.
I agree with brandonh83 and we see this in the Rebels cartoon where the villain is called an Inquisitor and is basically on a crusade against the Jedi. Not to mention Anakin's birth and all the spirituality involved in the OT, a combination of west and east, industry vs nature, etc.
I agree with brandonh83 and we see this in the Rebels cartoon where the villain is called an Inquisitor and is basically on a crusade against the Jedi. Not to mention Anakin's birth and all the spirituality involved in the OT, a combination of west and east, industry vs nature, etc.
Sad to hear that. It would be kind of neat if he had a background role as an extra.
Bobby Roberts
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The main thrust of my post was that a) his analysis isn't that deep unless he has a solid body of other writers/works to draw from and b) the comedy was kind of tired.
That some of the "tiredness" of the comedy was intentional doesn't mean all of it was, or that it was all entertaining anyway. Are you telling me that you honestly think "I meant to do that" is some sort of "get out of jail free" card when it comes to entertainment? Or anything? It's a punchline in a pee-wee herman movie, it's not an automatic anti-criticism shield.
Obviously he "meant to do that". But he was also trying to make something legitimately entertaining and it didn't quite work. I explained why I felt that was. People who don't read before they open their mouths took offense to that.
Shrug.
Yeah, that's more what I was driving at. Thanks. Apologies if I made it sound like I thought the guy was stringing scripts together out of copypasta. I meant something much more like that.
The Palpatine bits were the best part of the thing. Decent back and forth there.
Bobby Roberts
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Here's what I was thinking, watching it again today.
Instead of just going to black (I know that's what the original trailer does) it might be worth trying substituting that with the shots of the plain Star Wars logo advancing through a starfield from the original trailers back in 77.
- maybe instead of starting with "look sir droids" (it's a cute parallel) start with a different shot. Like the door coming up to Leia's cell and Luke striding forward and taking his helmet off, cutting JUST before he starts to talk.
- Not holding to single shots (although that's mostly what the original teaser does) and cutting a little bit more could give you some more freedom in your edit.
- I'd pick a different shot of Luke either leaving or arriving in his Speeder, maybe one with a bit more urgency. Maybe chop together Obi Wan yelling at Luke not to leave and then cutting as soon as the engine noise starts on the soundtrack to Luke speeding to the homestead.
- I'd also pick a different shot of the Falcon escaping, and then cut to the TIE's attacking it from their Death Star Escape, hard cut to black, and then slow fade-up on the title from the original teaser again - which explodes just as "December, 2015" would normally come up onscreen.
Just a couple suggestions. Even if they don't work, maybe they'll knock a couple other ideas loose that are way better
Jack Scofield
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I think the fact that the lightsaber specifically has a different ignition sound is evidence that this lightsaber is special in some way. At the end of the teaser we hear the normal ignition sound of a lightsaber, which means that Abrams didn't change the sound design completely.
Plus, I think it would be close to sacrilege to change the look and sound of a lightsaber. They're so iconic.
Squall5042
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And it's important to note that this is a direct continuation of the series, not a reboot or alternate universe type deal.
brandonh83
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I do find myself being excited for each new movie partially because I'm interested in seeing what new saber design there'll be. The originals kept it straight mainly because of the context of the story, how there were only a handful of wielders and it being a period of drought for Jedi/Sith, but with the new movies I think it's fine to keep changing things up. As with the prequels, despite there being different saber designs, all the Jedi still wielded your typical lightsaber, with the villains always being the ones that are like "fuck that check out my shit" so this is very in-line with that.
That being said, I hope it doesn't get too crazy. I think the apex of insanity was Grievous having a lightsaber in each of his four hands and coming at Obi-Wan like a damn helicopter, but that was a lot of fun nonetheless. I honestly don't think the new saber is any crazier than that concept.
That being said, I hope it doesn't get too crazy. I think the apex of insanity was Grievous having a lightsaber in each of his four hands and coming at Obi-Wan like a damn helicopter, but that was a lot of fun nonetheless. I honestly don't think the new saber is any crazier than that concept.
Jedi's have that taste in color though.
Star Trek was a soft-reboot. This is a direct sequel to Return of the Jedi. With a lot the same crew carrying over from the previous Star Wars films, including on the design side. In fact the conceptual design guys on this film are the same that were used on the prequels. The guys who are designing the sabers for this did the sabers on the past Star Wars films.
Doug Chiang is the lead on concept design on this film he is no stranger to designing lightsabers.
Not really a similar situation as on Star Trek.
Doug Chiang is the lead on concept design on this film he is no stranger to designing lightsabers.
Not really a similar situation as on Star Trek.
Squall5042
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I really hope that this trilogy produces original, iconic characters and imagery that lasts through the three movies. The greatest part of the OT was watching the characters grow and change; Luke went from a farm boy to a Jedi Knight and we witnessed that natural progression (
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whereas the prequels felt incredibly forced and sporadic
brandonh83
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Heh, yeah. Specifically Samuel Windu.
MrPressStart
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I guess its just me... but I dig the saber...
Bobby Roberts
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It's similar though, in that Abrams was hired, and will be expected , to provide a movie that acts as a hop-on point for new viewers, maybe even moreso than making a movie for the established fanbase. It's a sequel to the original trilogy, but those movies are 30 years old now, so he's gotta figure out how to make a direct sequel to that that allows for old viewers to ride-along with new viewers who aren't so steeped in either the mythology OR the visual language.
He's gotta make a movie that looks fun as hell first and foremost, so that people who dont' even really give that much of a shit about Star Wars still want to see it. That's what he did with Star Trek.
brandonh83
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It's working. I expected this teaser to just show a selection of calm shots of the new characters but instead there was a lot of energy, action, intense-looking performances, and voice-over dialogue that made the story sound intriguing. It was 101% different than anything I was expecting.
I'll add that they have to establish a brand new generation of fans. There are a bunch of 8-15 year olds that probably never even got into Star Wars, and if they did it's because there parents were passionate enough about them that they fed them the OT first.
These are the same kids growing up with the MCU. You have to capture this audience going forward. They will pull their parents, friends and family right back in. Especially when that older generation is the one that loves the OT.
Realistically it dates back to A New Hope, where it was symbolism. But any more it seems to be flamboyant rejection of Jedi ideals. Some sith are power crazed, but others seem to have a much closer and true understanding of the force. Jedi are seen as naive by many a Sith.
Not only that, he looks like he is still waiting for those other two blades to get longer.
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