December Wrasslin' |OT| PUT A Z-PAK ON THE THREAD, PAL. YOU'RE WORKING TONIGHT

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Serpentine said:
Sting managing The Ascension?
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Mr. Sandman said:
NXT really just needs to be it's own thing. A place where guys can have full careers in a product under the WWE name, but without the pressure to advance to the main roster. If that happened, there could be more room for NXT Showcase matches on PPVs, bigger guest superstar appearances, but NXT would be otherwise left alone to do it's own thing with the WWE machine behind it.
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I wonder why they won't do this.

Have NXT be for wrestling fans, WWE can be for the family friendly crowd where people like Cena and Uso's are gods.
 
You know the biggest screw up WWE currently has? Brock Lesnar. He's the fucking champ and hasn't been even on the product in months. You would think he would appear every once in a while. It's really disgusting when they stripped Daniel Bryan recently for not being able to compete and Brock is going to wind up being out of a WWE ring for about as long as Bryan has been.

They also made a big deal about CM Punk walking out with the title in 2011. They've always made a big deal about any champion not being able to compete at least once in a 30 day period.

That's not even the worst of it though. The product goes on like it's regular business for the champ to not even be there. Like it's a day to day thing for them to have to book around not having the champ for months at a time. It's getting hard for me to even consider Brock as a true champ, because he doesn't defend the belt like a champion does.
 
Mr. Sandman said:
You know the biggest screw up WWE currently has? Brock Lesnar. He's the fucking champ and hasn't been even on the product in months. You would think he would appear every once in a while. It's really disgusting when they stripped Daniel Bryan recently for not being able to compete and Brock is going to wind up being out of a WWE ring for about as long as Bryan has been.

They also made a big deal about CM Punk walking out with the title in 2011. They've always made a big deal about any champion not being able to compete at least once in a 30 day period.

That's not even the worst of it though. The product goes on like it's regular business for the champ to not even be there. Like it's a day to day thing for them to have to book around not having the champ for months at a time. It's getting hard for me to even consider Brock as a true champ, because he doesn't defend the belt like a champion does.
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Brock stuck to his written contract. WWE is at fault for agreeing to so few dates. Would you work for more than you were contracted to when you financially didn't have to?
 
Vince McMahon said:
December Wrasslin' |OT| PUT A Z-PAK ON IT PAL YOU'RE WORKING TONIGHT

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COMMUNITY NEWS

A bit before Christmas, the Third Annual WrassleGAF Awards will be under way - there will be links in the OP to the voting link for Best-ofs and Worst-ofs in Wrestling for 2014. Results will be announced at the end of the year! Keep in mind a few things - Wrasslin' GIF of the year, Wrestler of the year, match of the year and much more!

There is an Avatar Rumble planned for December, however it MAY be postponed for the night before the Royal Rumble. It all depends. Keep an eye on the thread.

Here at Wrasslegaf we play by three rules. Keep it fun and keep it playful, and Omerta. Take care of ourselves and take care of the thread. No personal attacks, keep the peace backstage. Any squabbles are expected to get squashed via PM to each other, so handle it. We grown.

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It's December, friends!

Let's get this out of the way first - if you haven't listened to CM Punk talk about his impending Mania 23 main event with Austin, you can pick up where it starts on the Art of Wrestling, a podcast from Colt Cabana, that was released in late November that is starting the build. Enjoy it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxHRJnZsinQ

NJPW

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NJPW World has launched. You can sign up for this service for 999 yen. In real people money, that's around $8.40 per month.

"But how do I do this?" you may ask. You may also ask "hold my fucking hand" well good news, Boots is going to hold your baby hand.





New Japan Pro Wrestling “WORLD TAG LEAGUE 2014”, 12/2/2014 Tue 19:00 @ Hakata StarLanes in Fukuoka

(1) Jushin Thunder Liger & Yohei Komatsu vs. Taichi & El Desperado
(2) Hiroyoshi Tenzan, Satoshi Kojima & Tomoaki Honma vs. Yuji Nagata, Manabu Nakanishi & BUSHI
(3) Togi Makabe & Captain New Japan vs. Rob Conway & Jax Dane

(4) WTL B BLOCK: Lance Archer & Davey Boy Smith Jr. vs. Bad Luck Fale & Tama Tonga
(5) WTL B BLOCK: Hirooki Goto & Katsuyori Shibata vs. Minoru Suzuki & Takashi Iizuka

(6) Hiroshi Tanahashi & Captain New Japan vs. Matt Taven & Mike Bennett

(7) WTL A BLOCK: AJ Styles & Yujiro Takahashi vs. Karl Anderson & Doc Gallows
(8) WTL B BLOCK: Shinsuke Nakamura & Tomohiro Ishii vs. Toru Yano & Kazushi Sakuraba
(9) WTL A BLOCK: Tetsuya Naito & La Sombra vs. Kazuchika Okada & YOSHI-HASHI

New Japan Pro Wrestling “WORLD TAG LEAGUE 2014”, 12/3/2014 Wed 18:30 @ Beppu B-con Plaza in Oita

(1) Sho Tanaka vs. Yohei Komatsu
(2) Matt Taven & Mike Bennett vs. Bad Luck Fale & Tama Tonga
(3) Tetsuya Naito, La Sombra, Jushin Thunder Liger & BUSHI vs. Lance Archer, Davey Boy Smith Jr., Taichi & El Desperado

(4) WTL A BLOCK: AJ Styles & Yujiro Takahashi vs. Rob Conway & Jax Dane
(5) WTL B BLOCK: Yuji Nagata & Manabu Nakanishi vs. Shinsuke Nakamura & Tomohiro Ishii

(6) Hiroshi Tanahashi & Captain New Japan vs. Hiroyoshi Tenzan & Satoshi Kojima

(7) WTL B BLOCK: Toru Yano & Kazushi Sakuraba vs. Minoru Suzuki & Takashi Iizuka
(8) WTL B BLOCK: Togi Makabe & Tomoaki Honma vs. Hirooki Goto & Katsuyori Shibata
(9) WTL A BLOCK: Kazuchika Okada & YOSHI-HASHI vs. Karl Anderson & Doc Gallows

New Japan Pro Wrestling “WORLD TAG LEAGUE 2014”, 12/5/2014 Fri 18:30 @ Osaka City Central Gymnasium, Sub-Arena

() Captain New Japan & BUSHI vs. Taichi & El Desperado
() Hiroshi Tanahashi & Captain New Japan vs. Karl Anderson & Doc Gallows

() WTL B BLOCK: Toru Yano & Kazushi Sakuraba vs. Lance Archer & Davey Boy Smith Jr.
() WTL B BLOCK: Yuji Nagata & Manabu Nakanishi vs. Bad Luck Fale & Tama Tonga
() WTL B BLOCK: Togi Makabe & Tomoaki Honma vs. Minoru Suzuki & Takashi Iizuka
() WTL B BLOCK: Hirooki Goto & Katsuyori Shibata vs. Shinsuke Nakamura & Tomohiro Ishii
() WTL A BLOCK: Kazuchika Okada & YOSHI-HASHI vs. AJ Styles & Yujiro Takahashi
() WTL A BLOCK: Tetsuya Naito & La Sombra vs. Rob Conway & Jax Dane
() WTL A BLOCK: Hiroyoshi Tenzan & Satoshi Kojima vs. Matt Taven & Mike Bennett

New Japan Pro Wrestling “WORLD TAG LEAGUE 2014”, 12/7/2014 [Sun] 16:00 @ Aichi Prefectural Gymnasium

() WTL FINAL: [A BLOCK #1] vs. [B BLOCK #1]

New Japan Pro Wrestling “Road to TOKYO DOME”, 12/12/2014 [Fri] 19:00 @ Fukushima City National Athletic Memorial Gymnasium

New Japan Pro Wrestling “Road to TOKYO DOME”, 12/13/2014 [Sat] 18:00 @ Aomori Industry Hall

New Japan Pro Wrestling “Road to TOKYO DOME”, 12/14/2014 [Sun] 16:00 @ Hachinohe City Gymnasium in Aomori

New Japan Pro Wrestling “Road to TOKYO DOME”, 12/15/2014 [Mon] 19:00 @ Koga Central Athletic Park Gymnasium in Ibaraki

New Japan Pro Wrestling “Road to TOKYO DOME”, 12/19/2014 [Fri] 18:30 @ Korakuen Hall in Tokyo

New Japan Pro Wrestling “Road to TOKYO DOME”, 12/20/2014 [Sat] 18:30 @ Korakuen Hall in Tokyo

WWE
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The thread will take care of this.

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There's a TLC PPV.

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Currently only two matches announced:

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Dean Ambrose vs. Bray Wyatt Tables, Ladders and Chairs match

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Ryback vs. Kane Chairs match

Be still, my heart.

Lucha Underground

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Watch this show - great hour of wrestling, doesn't get old, and is very very fun.

LUCHA UNDERGROUND INTRODUCES U.S. AUDIENCES TO THE HIGH-FLYING, EXPLOSIVE MOVES OF LUCHA LIBRE. AN ANCIENT COMBAT TRADITION, WATCH AS GOOD AND EVIL WAGE WAR IN A GRITTY BATTLEGROUND CALLED “THE TEMPLE.”
WEDNESDAYS 8PM ET/PT

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Ring of Honor

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Final Battle is on 12/7 - here's the card:
ROH World Championship
Jay Briscoe (c) vs Survival of the Fittest ’14 Winner - Adam Cole

ROH World Tag Team Championship
reDRagon (c) vs The Time Splitters (Alex Shelley & KUSHIDA)

ROH World TV Championship
Jay Lethal (c) w/ Truth Martini vs #Reborn Matt Sydal

"Unbreakable" Michael Elgin vs "Sicilian Psychopath" Tommaso Ciampa

Grudge Match
R.D. Evans w/ Veda Scott vs Moose w/ Stokely Hathaway

Mentor vs Student
Roderick Strong vs Adam Page w/ BJ Whitmer & Jimmy Jacobs

Signed to appear...
- Young Bucks (Nick & Matt Jackson)
- The Addiction (Christopher Daniels & Frankie Kazarian)
- Mark Briscoe
- Jimmy Jacobs
- BJ Whitmer
- ACH
- Cedric Alexander
- Tommaso Ciampa
- Hanson
- Moose w/ Stokely Hathaway
- RD Evans w/ Veda Scott

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WRESTLE-1

12/7 in Osaka is their next big thing. Keiji Muto, is joining a 5v5 battle at this card.


CMLL

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Infierno en el Ring is happening on 12/5 - and it's CMLL's year-end special. There's what you'd expect - loser loses his hair, loser loses his mask, and more. I don't currently know the availability of this show. The main event is Blue Panther vs. El Felino vs. Shocker vs. El Terrible vs. Rey Bucanero vs. Máximo vs. Bárbaro Cavernario vs. Último Guerrero vs. Volador Jr. vs. Marco Corelone.

TNA News

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Yes, some people are still paying attention. TNA will debut on Destination America. I'm curious what it'll look like and how it goes. There's also talk of TNA doing an American version of their British Boot Camp series, which I think is probably a bigger draw than Impact.

Bellator
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What? MMA in a Wrasslin' thread? Seriously though, keep an eye on Bellator. They're bringing a LOT of wrasslin' ideas into MMA and could very well be worth watching. I'm goddamn serious.

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CHIKARA

Yes they still exist.

CHIKARA’s epic 14th season concludes on December 6th from the former ECW Arena (now 2300 Arena) with “Tomorrow Never Dies”! You can see it all as it happens - live on iPay-Per-View - starting at 7:00 pm eastern that night. Don’t miss a moment of CHIKARA’s season finale, order now!

Matches Announced for “Tomorrow Never Dies“:
1) Clash of the Titans!

Icarus vs. Deucalion

2) Eight-on-Eight Circuit Match!

Cibernetico Royale

3) For Los Campeonatos de Parejas – Two out of Three Falls!

The Throwbacks vs. The Devastation Corporation

4) The Finals of the 11th Annual Young Lions Cup!

Heidi Lovelace vs. Missile Assault Ant

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Why Mania 23, Sunflower?
 
Recall said:
Brock stuck to his written contract. WWE is at fault for agreeing to so few dates. Would you work for more than you were contracted to when you financially didn't have to?
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At the very least you have Paul Heyman out every so often working with Brock's interests in mind. At least do something storyline wise to remind people that you have a champion.
 
Mr. Sandman said:
You know the biggest screw up WWE currently has? Brock Lesnar. He's the fucking champ and hasn't been even on the product in months. You would think he would appear every once in a while. It's really disgusting when they stripped Daniel Bryan recently for not being able to compete and Brock is going to wind up being out of a WWE ring for about as long as Bryan has been.

They also made a big deal about CM Punk walking out with the title in 2011. They've always made a big deal about any champion not being able to compete at least once in a 30 day period.

That's not even the worst of it though. The product goes on like it's regular business for the champ to not even be there. Like it's a day to day thing for them to have to book around not having the champ for months at a time. It's getting hard for me to even consider Brock as a true champ, because he doesn't defend the belt like a champion does.
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NoC really killed his angle and aura. The whole thing was the Brock was a DESTROYER. Basically a demi-god. Beat the dog shit out of Big Show at Rumble. Conquered the streak at WM. Absolutely demolished Cena at Summerslam. This dude is a monster and unbeatable. Then NoC comes around and it's your basic Cena match where he kicks out of the F5, breaks the kimura 3 times, and then would have beaten Brock had Seth not hit the ring. Now he's back to just being another guy. 9 months of build completely squandered in one night. And then he vanishes for the next 3 months.
 
strobogo said:
NoC really killed his angle and aura. The whole thing was the Brock was a DESTROYER. Basically a demi-god. Beat the dog shit out of Big Show at Rumble. Conquered the streak at WM. Absolutely demolished Cena at Summerslam. This dude is a monster and unbeatable. Then NoC comes around and it's your basic Cena match where he kicks out of the F5, breaks the kimura 3 times, and then would have beaten Brock had Seth not hit the ring. Now he's back to just being another guy. 9 months of build completely squandered in one night. And then he vanishes for the next 3 months.
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The whole NoC match combined with the absense makes you forget about Brock The Destroyer....hell, it makes you forget they even have a champ.
 
strobogo said:
NoC really killed his angle and aura. The whole thing was the Brock was a DESTROYER. Basically a demi-god. Beat the dog shit out of Big Show at Rumble. Conquered the streak at WM. Absolutely demolished Cena at Summerslam. This dude is a monster and unbeatable. Then NoC comes around and it's your basic Cena match where he kicks out of the F5, breaks the kimura 3 times, and then would have beaten Brock had Seth not hit the ring. Now he's back to just being another guy. 9 months of build completely squandered in one night. And then he vanishes for the next 3 months.
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but the first time he shows his face on TV again you can guarantee cole will be blasting on an airhorn "CENA WAS WITHIN INCHES OF BEATING BROCK"
 
That's a solid OP, Vince.

strobogo said:
NoC really killed his angle and aura. The whole thing was the Brock was a DESTROYER. Basically a demi-god. Beat the dog shit out of Big Show at Rumble. Conquered the streak at WM. Absolutely demolished Cena at Summerslam. This dude is a monster and unbeatable. Then NoC comes around and it's your basic Cena match where he kicks out of the F5, breaks the kimura 3 times, and then would have beaten Brock had Seth not hit the ring. Now he's back to just being another guy. 9 months of build completely squandered in one night. And then he vanishes for the next 3 months.
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Yeah, I don't understand why this guy who took endless finishers and was saved from losing by Seth Rollins (who then curb stomped him) is supposed to be some intimidating monster training in a gym everyday somewhere. He just looks like a loser who's afraid to show his face.
 
--Regarding English commentary on New Japan World, it was addressed last night and Takaaki Kidani said they were looking into doing so. Nothing on an English language web site, but New Japan already has an English language regular site so that could be coming. There was some talk about how the Muhammad Ali vs. Antonio Inoki match is not on the site, and that's generally considered the most important match in New Japan history. There are really a ton of major matches not up, particularly a lot of great Choshu's Army stuff from 1982-83. One thing that hit me watching the 80s stuff is just how much more of a fight feel there was to the matches, how they felt less pre-planned and just how much bigger the promotion was then. But there is a ton of great stuff including the Inoki vs Billy Robinson match from 1975, Inoki & Sakaguchi vs. Lou Thesz & Karl Gotch, Inoki vs. Hulk Hogan (more than one), Inoki & Bob Backlund vs. Hogan & Stan Hansen, Inoki vs. Bruiser Brody (at least two including a 60 minute draw with no commentary), Every January 4th Tokyo Dome match ever held, plus the New Japan vs. All Japan matches from the 1990 Dome show which never aired on television when they took place and also have no commentary. Every PPV from the last couple of years is up. The bar on the bottom blows away the WWE Network and the navigation is much better (if you use Google Chrome to translate). The audio and sound quality is amazing.

--Takaaki Kidani didn't give any numbers, but he said today how surprised he was at how many people outside Japan signed up. He said nothing about domestic numbers, but said outside Japan orders blew away expectations.
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http://www.f4wonline.com/more/more-...tdown-to-ufc-top-25-fights-lombard-wants-gsp-
 
strobogo said:
NoC really killed his angle and aura. The whole thing was the Brock was a DESTROYER. Basically a demi-god. Beat the dog shit out of Big Show at Rumble. Conquered the streak at WM. Absolutely demolished Cena at Summerslam. This dude is a monster and unbeatable. Then NoC comes around and it's your basic Cena match where he kicks out of the F5, breaks the kimura 3 times, and then would have beaten Brock had Seth not hit the ring. Now he's back to just being another guy. 9 months of build completely squandered in one night. And then he vanishes for the next 3 months.
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Brock indeed looked weak as fuck that night. For no reason too
 
Ivory Tower is "really trying to get parity across all versions, so it's something that’s important to us not to branch out and not do individual things for individual platforms."
 
I'm done with faux competition. NXT is cool, and I honestly think the best hour of programming the WWE put out, whether the talent is destined for the top or not. But would it still be the best hour on TV if Bo Dallas and Big E were still in the main event scene?

Nah, what makes it cool is the changing talented faces keeping things fresh. So long as they keep hiring great talent, even if they only stay on NXT for a year or two, NXT will probably remain the best hour of TV.

Part of that is people putting on great performances precisely to get the call up too. Would the matches be as good without that?

Maybe... but I like it as it is, and change *is* going to come to the WWE. Maybe not next year, maybe not the year after... but Cena isn't wrestling a schedule that sees him through another five years as the main guy. He either wrestles a lot less, or his career is ending in the next few years.

Either way... they'll need other talent to plug that gap.

If they don't go willingly... it's still going to happen. Maybe it's Roman and he becomes Cena 2.0 for the next decade... but frankly, Roman is a long way away from being the talent Cena is. Maybe he can get there... but you need a real talent to do what Cena has done, whether we like it or think he could have been used in a million better ways or not.
 
A notable omission from Sunflower's OP. The stats from Plywood's thread:

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Who's this Fox318 guy trying to get himself over? I think it's berrying time.
 
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