I know, but it's inexcusable that there's no ability to at a minimum see everyone online from your clan in game.
It's MMO 101...
Destiny: Exotic weapons fixed.... and then broken.
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I know, but it's inexcusable that there's no ability to at a minimum see everyone online from your clan in game.
It's MMO 101...
Except you do, Exotics are often not that good until you unlock their exotic traits like you know the one he mentions Thorn. Many other Exotics aren't anything special until you level them to their specialties.
Don't worry tho, you can do more than one a week.
Yes, reset at a higher attack stat (302) but no perks.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Not exactly.
By then you will have piled up a good amount of exotic shards.
So they'll introduce a new material, I don't know, exotic core or something.
All the new materials and stuff are about resetting progress with each DLC. It's the reason they just obsoleted all your ascendant shards and energies, for example.
While I agree that Xur should be here more, I am not aware of any job that requires someone to work for 48 hours straight. You can log in and get to Xur in under 5 minutes.
Thats not the point. Friday - work all day, come home, do real life shit, pass out.
Wake up Saturday - goto work, come home, do real life shit, pass out.
Wake up Sunday - OH FUCK! I forgot to check Xur... UGHHHH
It happens to me alot. Its my own fault.
But some people have real lives (I know fuck me right?) and cant be logging in to check out a virtual store all the time.
And btw: Firefighters work 48 hours on, 48 hours off.
Bungie confirmed to hate Firefighters.
Anton Sugar
Member
For real. Destiny could be an AMAZING game--like, the gunplay, movement, etc. mechanics are best in class.
And yet, I am one more insult away from selling it. I have no problem waiting for a discounted version with all DLC included, because then at least it might have enough content to justify the price.
It's the gaming equivalent of an unhealthy/abusive relationship.
benicillin
Banned
I believe that the Gjallahorn drop will still be a normal drop and need to have an exotic shard put into it to upgrade it to post-DLC max stats. Again, this is a way to take old loot and make it viable for post-DLC max level content.
...Scatter...
Banned
You're not wrong about this. I'm in RaidGAF clan, but I don't think I've played but once with the group. This needs to be fleshed out.
EmmaWatsonButt
Member
Wait a minute. Are you suggesting Bungie should make it less grindy and more rewarding for players to upgrade their current set of weapons?
Get out.
Seriously though, your suggestion would've been ideal in terms of upgrading the massive amount of exotics I (like many, many other people) have..
Infinite Justice
Member
But doesn't Raid stuff open another can of worms with the matchmaking vs no matchmaking snafu (or did they change that)
ComputerMKII
Banned
DeeJ just tweeted a link to this thread on bungie.net:
Thoughts and Opinions about The Dark Below weapon upgrade paths. http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/82106803
Thoughts and Opinions about The Dark Below weapon upgrade paths. http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/82106803
Hellshingu
Member
So by them removing ascendant materials from exotics and the new crotas gear that means they are only useful for upgrading stuff from factions and vanguards? To people who have hundred of each the uses for these materials got cut in half while introducing not one, but TWO new upgrade currencies for end game items.
I understand that people can buy new gear after they have gotten the proper amount of commendations to use some of those ascendants but if people can raid right from the beginning which is what they will do first instead of leveling up vanguards and they will get most pieces of raid gear from normal that requires radiant materials which they will need to wait weekly to be able to get more of.
Getting stuff from the vanguards now seems more like second thought. Besides people who get new primaries with the higher attack ratings since those won't be dropped from Crotas End until hard mode is released. Only other source to use them is on VoG raid gear but quite a few seem to have mostly all the pieces they'll need to tackle Crotas End.
I understand that people can buy new gear after they have gotten the proper amount of commendations to use some of those ascendants but if people can raid right from the beginning which is what they will do first instead of leveling up vanguards and they will get most pieces of raid gear from normal that requires radiant materials which they will need to wait weekly to be able to get more of.
Getting stuff from the vanguards now seems more like second thought. Besides people who get new primaries with the higher attack ratings since those won't be dropped from Crotas End until hard mode is released. Only other source to use them is on VoG raid gear but quite a few seem to have mostly all the pieces they'll need to tackle Crotas End.
Anton Sugar
Member
Come on, man. If we're upset by this, we truly aren't playing the game for fun? Sorry, I love the gameplay, but there is shit-all to do in this game at this point.
Leveling up gear, and hoping to get new gear to level up, is literally the end game--and yeah, at times, it's a fucking chore.
I DO play with friends--it's the only time I play. I'm not going to sit around and play level 26 Strikes "for fun" when there is no variance or clever design to the strikes, nor are the rewards ever good.
The time I have to set aside a long play session for something like a raid (even part of it) is not comparable with most of the population, even the GAFers here. Late night on the west coast. So no, I'm not choosing to exclude myself. I just have a busy life that's not very compatible with arranging large groups for extended play sessions.
I am going to try and schedule some time earlier in the day with one of the DestinyGAF raiding groups in the few weeks, as I just hit level 26 recently. In addition, the DestinyGAF crew strongly suggested that I hit level 27 or have more upgraded gear first - both of which require ascendant materials. So I'm looking at about a week of daily missions, and that's assuming I get the right materials. It takes time.
As a related aside, all this work put into my legendary gear does have the affect of making me attached to it. If I had to piss that away to continue the progression or to keep it relevant, I'd be pretty upset. I imagine that feeling is magnified with exotics.
Think I may try to sell my game.
Oh hey what's up fellow RaidGAFer...
Same boat. Joined up hoping for raids... Haven't raided once. Using the app to coordinate this kind of thing is ridiculous... And I don't like making Xbox Friends/PSN friends with people I don't know in RL...
FunkyPajamas
Member
I played the demo for a couple of days during the weekend (I reached level 7 and played through all of the demo content, except the PvP stuff). I'd agree that the gameplay loop is fun enough (I wouldn't say "best in class" though), but man, oh man you can see the strings that are pulling the carrot around with the whole "grind concept" in the back. It took me right out of the game every time I played. Like I knew it was going to be a chore more than an actual game that I enjoyed. I'll be honest, I'm still somewhat tempted to *see more*, but the kind of BS that Bungie keeps pulling makes me wary.
Anton Sugar
Member
The opinion of the game isn't much better on the official forums. Wow lol.
EmmaWatsonButt
Member
That's gold, Jerry, gold!
Good news then bc hes wrong.
This is such a bummer. I fired up Destiny for the first time since MCC came out last night due to the new patch. Leveled everything I could all the way to the very end since Xur wasn't around for exotic shards and I ran out of ascendant shards.
Then they do this. I guess I'll wait a few weeks after TDB to see if it gets patched. Not that it matters since I was a sucker and bought the digital guardian before all of this happened
Then they do this. I guess I'll wait a few weeks after TDB to see if it gets patched. Not that it matters since I was a sucker and bought the digital guardian before all of this happened
super-famicom
Member
That's a good one.
Maybe if you followed the thread, you would have read my posts where I said I'd be playing other stuff while just keeping a select few weapons around for the raid and w/e I do with friends for fun.
Good job calling us all whiners and that we basically should just bend over though.
Biggu Bosu
Banned
I look forward to playing this game in 6-7 months when they iron out all this shit
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Because I want to enjoy the powerful gear I spent all this time grinding. There is no fucking final payoff. I don't want to grind forever. Never played a MMO before and obviously I got tricked into paying for one in Destiny. I did not expect this shit. I spent a lot time leveling up guns for this DLC that is now worthless.
...Scatter...
Banned
LOL - that's gold
BMO = GOAT
Member
So are they going to up the level of Nightfall with all these exotic weapons being leveled up and how the lvl cap is going to be raised? Two Nightfalls with better chance at an exotic? Or what?
I was really, really close to buying the expansion pass last week. Glad I didn't. I read the blog post and it's just baffling all the different currencies, materials, and reputation you need to buy/upgrade a weapon. I don't know what happened with this game but it needs to stop.
I wonder how many mobile devs Bungie hired over the past year to help them implement this bullshit. This is getting ridiculous.
FTFY. That 10 year plan.
I wonder how many mobile devs Bungie hired over the past year to help them implement this bullshit. This is getting ridiculous.
FTFY. That 10 year plan.
NullPointer
Member
There are just some universally bad ideas. Having engrams decode to lesser rarities was one. Having to harvest location based resources in low level areas was another. Having a better chance to get rare items from a cave full of gray enemies rather than in facing the toughest strikes and missions was another. Arbitrary matchmaking support for even the non-raid activities is another.
Bungie keeps making some seemingly rookie mistakes with Destiny. I don't get it. Its like they're a bunch of busy bees with no laid out long term vision. Systems look reactive, and tailored towards abstract retention schedule targets rather than towards the creation of varied and fun player goals.
This game has been something else to watch though, from the pre-release hype to release, DLC marketing and post-release changes and fixes and additions. So crazy.
Because then everyone would have level 32 gear in less than 24 hours.
Destiny has such little content that this is the only way Bungie can make people keep playing.
benicillin
Banned
Hey guys you're still going to want lvl 300 gear to do the VoG raid, Nightfall and Weekly strikes as well as the normal Crota's end raid and the only place the max level gear is really going to help is hard mode crotas end.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Can't wait for the House of Wolves in march and the new currencies:
Exotic Core (to upgrade exotics)
Transcendent Shards and Energy (for raid drops)
Vanguard and Crucible Medals (for buying vanguard and crucible gear)
Meanwhile, a vault upgrade to hold all this currency and material trash is not on the table.
Exotic Core (to upgrade exotics)
Transcendent Shards and Energy (for raid drops)
Vanguard and Crucible Medals (for buying vanguard and crucible gear)
Meanwhile, a vault upgrade to hold all this currency and material trash is not on the table.
link pls, for the lulz
Anton Sugar
Member
lol didn't you hear? That 10 year plan was actually a reference to the franchise and not the lifespan of Destiny--Destiny 2 is already in development.
Yeah man, I dun goofed. I was completely drawn into it, I was chasing carrots for hours a day. I mean, the game can be legit fun your first time through (the raid can be fun the first few times, as well) but then the scales fall away and you're left with the endgame, aka, loot.
benicillin
Banned
Depending on how the vault was originally coded yeah, it can take them time to implement a bigger vault, especially since any bugs could potentially delete player items.
SkylineRKR
Member
Yeah this is what I typed out as well.
Adding just a few nodes would mean everyone is capped out after a few weeks of playing at best. This is a very small game, with a very small amount of weapons. And with weapons I do mean exotics. Usable exotics.
They have to work around this by using such cheap tactics. This game is small and shallow. Everything there is can be explored and beaten within a day, or a mere few hours. They have to constantly find ways to keep it 'interesting'. So far, it has been a rehash mostly. Take the queen missions for example, no context or anything but just the existing story missions.
So, blatantly having players to reset their loadout would fit. Some will bite, and will be set back for a few months. Which is about the time the next DLC starts to pop up. And so on.
http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/82106803
Something to wet your appetite:
"I took a dump in the gamecase. I can't tell a difference from before."
yeah I know. I'm implying they won't get it right for Destiny 2...or 3.
UnluckyKate
Member
There are amazingly clever solutions in the first page. Can't beleive how bungie went full retard, again, on such an important design decision.
The only thing Destiny got right in the end was art direction and combat. The core gameplay and visual are stunning, really. Everything around it is baffling amateurism
Poodlestrike
Banned
Ahahahahahahaha...
No. I was thinking about coming back to the game, but this is just... no. Who the fuck thought this was a good idea? Putting another treadmill into a game that is literally sagging from the weight of them? Having an upgrade path for your old exotics is fantastic, but this is easily the worst possible way they could have gone about doing it. "Hey guys, you know that gun you like with the really cool abilities? Well, if you want it to remain useful, first you have to grind for freaking ever to get enough Glimmer to (if Xur is feeling generous) reset that awesome gun back to the boring ass form it was in when you first got it? That way, you can spend for freaking ever leveling it back up again!"
FFS.
Dammit, why didn't I get a refund back in September?
No. I was thinking about coming back to the game, but this is just... no. Who the fuck thought this was a good idea? Putting another treadmill into a game that is literally sagging from the weight of them? Having an upgrade path for your old exotics is fantastic, but this is easily the worst possible way they could have gone about doing it. "Hey guys, you know that gun you like with the really cool abilities? Well, if you want it to remain useful, first you have to grind for freaking ever to get enough Glimmer to (if Xur is feeling generous) reset that awesome gun back to the boring ass form it was in when you first got it? That way, you can spend for freaking ever leveling it back up again!"
FFS.
Dammit, why didn't I get a refund back in September?
You can only wear one exotic piece, so no.
LOL, what's the point of even doing VoG anymore? So you might get weapons which will be of no use in a level 32 raid?
You could if Bungie allowed easy upgrading of all exotics and legendaries. Then all the level 29/30 players with 300 weapons right now would be 31/32 with 331 weapons in no time at all.
The way I see it is Bungie is basically introducing new Exotic weapons for this expansion except that most of them are named the same. When you look at it that way, it kind of makes sense. It's the same as all of the other gear on your dude. If you want to do the raid or whatever at 32, you need to get new armor and new weapons. You will be replacing everything that is on your guy right now. So complaining about how you will have to level up your exotic again is silly because you have to level everything up again.
However, it would be nice to get a stack or two of those "level weapons faster" items for free when upgrading to the Exotic 2.0.
However, it would be nice to get a stack or two of those "level weapons faster" items for free when upgrading to the Exotic 2.0.
It means that buying things in Destiny is going to start needing charts and a power point presentation to figure out.