Sweet Ivy
Member
I don't agree, Destiny wasn't supposed to be a MMO, but a FPS with an online environment and, honestly, they did dodge most of the mmo crap really well, the only annoying thing was the materials grinding.
Destiny: Exotic weapons fixed.... and then broken.
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SkylineRKR
Member
And if Rahool captures the Awoken Queen it will be worth 5 british pounds each!
UnluckyKate
Member
that's the joke. The cut to the stunman falling is so obvious. Also the scene felt forced and was stupid, such as the entire final season for that matter. Total trainwreck
I see people that are really into the game and think that there must be something to it. I've gone back a few times now and I still don't see why so many people play it. The story is mediocre, missions are mediocre, the gunplay is just about the only good thing about it. It's just a really polished mediocre game imo
I think I like this new method but they should decrease the exp it takes to rank up. I always thought it was kind of stupid before where you grind to level 2 rep and then buy all of your gear that bumps you up like 5 levels. The progression was not even at all. This at least seems to try to even it out.
Yep
Kind of answered your own question. The gunplay is fantastic. I still have lots of fun just shooting things in this game after 100 hours played.
Corronchilejano
Member
Everytime I'm on the fence about buying this game, a thread like this one appears...
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Well except for the Reputation grind, the gear grind, the fetch quests/kill wave quests, the currency grinds, the material farming, the random loot that has a chance of being a material, they definitely nailed that MMO crap really well.
Except for the whole 'Hey reset your gears progress in order to use it in the new stuff, and then re-level it all over again!' That's a new one.
schadenfood
Member
At this point I'm laughing at how absurd this has all gotten--"let's introduce MORE forms of currency!" This is the loudest I've heard people complaining since release--and rightly so.
I wanted an overhaul to the entire game's structure a la Reaper of Souls, where they introduce a completely different endgame/meta. Instead, we're getting new elements that only serve to pad out the meager content being offered. Huge bummer.
I wanted an overhaul to the entire game's structure a la Reaper of Souls, where they introduce a completely different endgame/meta. Instead, we're getting new elements that only serve to pad out the meager content being offered. Huge bummer.
So you bought that "shared-world shooter" marketing line that Bungie cooked up, huh?
If commendations are not guaranteed upon faction rank increase, then fuck that bullshit. Seriously.
It's actually worse than that, since there are three types of rep to earn: Crucible, Vanguard and Faction; there are three factions.
Crucible gear requires Crucible marks and rep, earned in PvP. Vanguard gear requires Vanguard marks and rep, earned in PvE. Faction rep is earned in both PvP and PvE, but only Crucible marks can buy the gear.
I don't play PvP but didn't understand this and rocked a faction item thinking I could buy stuff with either Vanguard or Crucible marks, since I could earn either Vanguard or Crucible rep. I went up a couple ranks and then realized I had one currency (rep) but none of the other (marks). Several weeks of playtime down the tubes in terms of progression.
Now it's going to be even more convoluted.
silver.tongue
Member
Comendation system is ridiculous.
As for the Exotics, if I trade in a fully upgraded Mythoclast or a "blank" one, I have to spend the same and I'll get the same thing back, with progress reset?
This is simply unnaceptable. Upgrading our wepons so far was actually the wrong thing to do then?
As for the Exotics, if I trade in a fully upgraded Mythoclast or a "blank" one, I have to spend the same and I'll get the same thing back, with progress reset?
This is simply unnaceptable. Upgrading our wepons so far was actually the wrong thing to do then?
Anton Sugar
Member
For real, though. They skipped out on most of the GREAT features in MMOs.
Just read the OP. Hmmm
WHAT? Fuuuuuuk yooooooooooo Bungie
The grind was a pain in the ass to level up the exotics in the first place. Getting strange coin through constant nightfall is a hassle too. Uggggghdowoejndnejdndd!
Now with that out of my system... I'm fine now. Though, I can image the even more vocal reaction from my family members who play regularly. Omg I'll never hear the end of it
WHAT? Fuuuuuuk yooooooooooo Bungie
The grind was a pain in the ass to level up the exotics in the first place. Getting strange coin through constant nightfall is a hassle too. Uggggghdowoejndnejdndd!
Now with that out of my system... I'm fine now. Though, I can image the even more vocal reaction from my family members who play regularly. Omg I'll never hear the end of it
Sweet Ivy
Member
Nope, I played the game.
And thank goodness it didn't draw from MMOs. In fact, lots of mmorpgs could learn a thing or two.
Rex Griswold
Member
I was gonna take a break from WoD and try Destiny again tonight.. guess not.
NullPointer
Member
Yet another head-scratcher design decision.
"Primary weapons will only drop in the harder version of Crota's End, released sometime in January"
that is terrible really. i was excited about getting new primary weapons from new raid straightaway, i don't understand the delay til january.
I'm pretty sure WoW and A Realm Reborn have absolutely fuck-all to learn from Bungie's unlimited bowls of vanilla ice cream game.
I just got to Vanguard Rank 2 and am about to by my first Legendary. Now I won't be able to get another until I'm all the way up until Rank 3 and get this dumbass commendation... so ridiculous.
I was actually sort of enjoying returning to this game but this kills a lot of my motivation.
I was actually sort of enjoying returning to this game but this kills a lot of my motivation.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
I'm going to sit here, stick some tobacco in my pipe, and I'm going to listen to your explanation on how MMO's can learn from Bungie.
Please, enlighten us.
it'd be great if I could play Destiny, and have one of two options:
still be able to play with my friends without being in a race to level up so we're near the same capability.
or
be able to play and level up without needing a fucking graduate degree in Destiny leveling and RNG to know whether or not what I'm doing is helping me level, and when the public event is happening, or if the gunsmith is selling rifles for the one time this month.
just one of those two things
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
Sorry, but I totally disagree.
Destiny wasn't supposed to be a MMO, yes, but its been mired in all the WORST trappings of MMOs since the very beginning.
Hell, the game's levels and gameplay are nothing like traditional FPS because it follows the MMO structure. Hence, why the game's missions are one horde mode after another.
Sweet Ivy
Member
The material farming yes, a lot of other things though, you would do while playing.
No dead-times as in mmorpgs etc.
You guys must have played pretty good MMOs... my personal experience with traditional MMOs has been very different than playing with Destiny.
Anton Sugar
Member
Bwahaha, I did the same. That moment when I realized I needed Crucible Marks...
Also, an amazing post from the Destiny OT:
BreezyLimbo
Banned
'You would do while playing'.
That's a gratuitous way of saying 'You have to keep doing the same content over and over again in order to earn these currencies.'
NullPointer
Member
To make it perfect they just need a playstation specific currency, available to other platforms a year from now.
I mean why the hell not?
MastorofPuppetz
Banned
And the repeating the same poorly lacking strikes and missions day after day....I have logged over 100 hours < i like the game but I still see how flawed it really is. Can enjoy a flawed game, and destiny is very flawed.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
OH yeah, I had SO MUCH fun banging out those mundane and banal missions over and over again. PLEASE!
Why did I do it? I did it so I could have fully upgraded weapons for the better parts of the game. Now the game tells me all that tedious and monotonous work was for nothing.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
I just can't even fathom the clusterfuck of currencies, materials, RNG and other assorted shit. And of course once House of Wolves roll in we'll get more of this crap since it's clear their plan is to reset progress at every DLC.
I got the season pass, and after House of Wolves I am done with Destiny and Bungie.
I got the season pass, and after House of Wolves I am done with Destiny and Bungie.
Dude, then stop playing the game if you are not having fun. The level cap will keep increasing and items will become obsolete. That's just how it works.
Anton Sugar
Member
Right, but after a certain point, the PvE missions DO become grinds, because they're all there is to do. I wonder if there are stats on how many times I've played each Strike.
With most MMOs I've played, the leveling/progression system is intrinsically supported by the amount of content available. Occasionally you have to grind to get to a high enough level to enter an area, but for the most part, they are designed intelligently: your level organically matches where you "need to be" in the story/missionset.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
Yep! Its all part of just keeping you on a grind leash so you have to keep playing the game. Its a completely terrible way to maintain player interest. Instead of a stream of continuous engrossing content they just keep giving you more menial and grueling chores to do so you can never "finish".
OH and there is nothing "wrong" with you for going back to the game. The reaso why people keep doing this is out of a compulsion to see all their hard work as not being in vain. After all, if you quit now, wouldn't all that effort you spent upgrading be wasted?
Its a twisted, lazy and malevolent system, but an effective one.
Honestly, what do you think?
From the Game Informer piece that revealed the need to reset exotics to progress them:
Deej: How do these players feel about having to reset their hard earned exotics? Are they happy about it? Do those views in any way reflect the huge backlash ongoing?
Please reconsider this plan. It's alienating the players that most enthusiastically supported the game.
Deej: How do these players feel about having to reset their hard earned exotics? Are they happy about it? Do those views in any way reflect the huge backlash ongoing?
Please reconsider this plan. It's alienating the players that most enthusiastically supported the game.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
There is no reason for the items to become obsolete and there is no justifiable reason to require "upgrading" the them.
They should just automatically buff the old stuff when the cap is raised. I've never even seen another MMO do this.
Stallion Dan
Member
I've been working to gear up all my characters the same so no need to swap weapons. What a waste of time, and when the DLC hits I guess I'll never try it again and keep swapping, because the next DLC gonna reset again for sure.
Hey Bungie, please let me access vault from space, save me loading into the tower constantly just to swap weapons, which seems to be encouraged.
Hey Bungie, please let me access vault from space, save me loading into the tower constantly just to swap weapons, which seems to be encouraged.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
And before somebody says 'Well that's what you do in all MMOs!'(Strawman, watch out!)
Not..really. You can do Raid finders on WoW now, but to do the heavier stuff, you need a group of people. And you get intimate with this group of people, you learn each others strengths and weaknesses, you grow together and form a bond. You beat your buddy to that piece of gear, and that becomes a story. You continue to group together weekly and progressing within a difficult raid until you beat that difficulty, then do it again harder with even more mechanics added in and more tension-adding gameplay. Even if they release a new tier of raiding with even better gear, it's not about the gear levels that makes a difference in a raid-It's about how well you know your tank, your healers, your DPS. It's about knowing how far they can go without overextending, about how well they can burst down that add, it's about doing it together as a group.
In Destiny they try to have a facade of 'Well you can only do this with your friends', but in the end it's as easy as going on some website, forming a group within 10 minutes(Because in Bungies endless wisdom they didn't realize this would happen and didn't implement matchmaking), and clearing the raid within 45 minutes.(Edit-Sure, you can form a Raid right now with random people in WoW, however not knowing each person and how they react will lead to failure more than not. In contrast I banded together random players from 4chan, and we made it to the last boss on release day within a few hours in Destiny) The sense of progress is lost, the camaraderie between people who know each other is lost.
Destiny tried to achieve that. And people are pissed off because the only thing that matters in this game, the Gear, is being affected. Maybe a small minority cares about their group, and will keep doing it, but for most, the issue isn't friends or skill that prevents them from beating a boss, but gear. That is one of the major issues with this game. It's why everyone gets up in arms when radical changes to gear like this come through. Because Gear is #1, not that bullshit Bungie spouted about exploring the world or meeting new people, because both those experiences are stifled.
PrivateWHudson
Member
To make sure we find all of the Cheese strategies (for them to patch) before they start handing out the Crota version of the Mythoclast.
silver.tongue
Member
Don't be naive pls...
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Honestly, I think Bungee will screw us over and I'll have to wait to Rank 9 to get my first commendation.
You ever try to LFG hard mode raid without 300/300/300? Youre looked at as lower class by all Garudians until you reach that pinacle.
Even then, if youre a Forever 29 (like me), you feel utterly stuck. Getting to 30 (IB is not an option, fuck the stupid crucible) is nearly impossible because no one wants to team up with someone who will bring the team down.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Wow. Even the people at Bungie hate playing Destiny. lol
Rex Griswold
Member
What are you talking about? This is vanilla WoW and release FFXIV, except stripped down to the bare minimum of playability.
It really does feel like there are multiple teams working on the game at total cross purposes with each other
SkylineRKR
Member
Sure.
No, you won't.
People grinded factions to 3 or higher to be future proof. This was at the beginning. Bungie knows this. So they add another layer, which makes your rank moot. You'll have squat. And those commendations, well, I guess its for one sale. So you need to completely rank up again for a second item. Or a commendation drop is RNG, but I doubt this.
This to me is the defining element that separates a good MMO or RPG from pure junk. I have zero interest in leveling to level.