CM Punk tells all about walking out of WWE (podcast)

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strobogo said:
No. He says it isn't about the money, but all of his complaints outside of the medical stuff are 100% about money. He would have been fine without the WM main event if they paid him like he was in it. When his contract was up, he wouldn't resign unless he got paid more. He's mad they fucked him out of movie money. Fucked him out of convention money. Fucked him out of sponsorship money. But it's not about the money. Mother fucker, EVERYTHING is about the money. And it should be. Trying to pretend like it isn't about money while bitching about all the money you didn't get and shilling t-shirts is horse shit. He's a dude who prides himself on "telling it like it is", yet is trying to bullshit his fans into thinking he wasn't just trying to get a buck like everyone else.

"It's not about the money." "Fuck you, pay me." You can't have it both ways, PAL.
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It isn't about the money itself, it is about the respect shown by compensating him fairly.

It's the reason when Mick Foley went to Vince years ago with the same question, he was given a check without another word. Respect.
 
spindashing said:
Trainwrecks are fun, man.
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I'm not saying the trainwreck isn't fun to watch. Just don't pay money for it... especially if you're expecting them to listen to you and not wreck their train any more.

It's tantamount to pre-ordering the next Assassin's Creed game sight unseen after Ubisoft's recent track record.
 
strobogo said:
Yeah. Hard to want to keep a dude who bitches and fights you on EVERYTHING, even if he's making you money. In any profession. You have the greatest shelf stocker in the world, but he/she complains about everything and always argues for more money or perks, doesn't get along with other workers, and always wants to do stuff HIS/HER way, eventually you're going to get rid of that person.
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The WWE isn't stock shelving, it's sports entertainment. All of the top to mid card wrestlers earn a very good wage relative to the work they perform, but the benefits are pretty shit and the wages should be more like hazard pay instead. I'd surmise that the WWE isn't paying for healthcare or work safety the way a normal business would, and they are not obligated to since the wrestlers are independent contractors. Unless they are a partner in the business, they are not going to be getting good insurance for healthcare at a premier rate just on the nature of the work alone. Too high risk to insure I'd suppose.

Do we have any proof that Punk was the top merch seller when he was in the WWE? Any receipts?

jmdajr said:
People seem really disenchanted with how cooperate WWE really works when it's really no different than other cooperations. Lots of low down dirty shit happens to work the system to get what you want, or keep people in line. It's everywhere. And let's face it Punk did work the fucking system. He did.

The first time he threatened to quit WWE they got him everything he wanted. More money, a fucking bus, bigger cut of merchandise, copyrighted music. Etc. Granted they worked the shit out of him because Vince was gonna get his money's worth, but he gamed the system nevertheless . Most folks are not that ambitious. They make enough to live by and don't want to rattle the system. Yeah it's disappointing to hear some of the stuff but it's all been going on since day fucking 1.
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Punk worked the system indeed. The difference with him and other big name wrestlers is that his ego is too big for his own good.
 
UberTag said:
I'm not saying the trainwreck isn't fun to watch. Just don't pay money for it... especially if you're expecting them to listen to you and not wreck their train any more.

It's tantamount to pre-ordering the next Assassin's Creed game sight unseen after Ubisoft's recent track record.
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So what you're saying is that we're all gonna do it anyway despite knowing it's a terrible idea?
 
This thread is loooonnggggg. What's going on up in here.

Anyways. I was at the gym Monday and saw that Raw was on so I parked in front of the television with a stationary bike since I haven't watched in years. Saw some tag team thing where two black dudes in blue were fighting a couple of guys dressed like goldust. Then two other dudes started fighting. Then someone got eliminated and then some other dude came out with another dude dressed as a chicken. Then two dudes that looked like Rikishi came out.

Looked fun. Would watch again.
 
BkMogul said:
Just look at Ziggler. Dude gets legit pops whenever he comes out and it seems like he's passed over time and time again. Not to mention he had one of the shittest title reigns this side of Jack Swagger.
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Ziggler has real issues - "He's not selfish enough in the ring" is a real problem for him- he's great at getting other guys over, but not so much himself.
 
.GqueB. said:
This thread is loooonnggggg. What's going on up in here.

Anyways. I was at the gym Monday and saw that Raw was on so I parked in front of the television with a stationary bike since I haven't watched in years. Saw some tag team thing where two black dudes in blue were fighting a couple of guys dressed like goldust. Then two other dudes started fighting. Then someone got eliminated and then some other dude came out with another dude dressed as a chicken. Then two dudes that looked like Rikishi came out.

Looked fun. Would watch again.
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Did you tout about it?
 
DoktorEvil said:
Do we have any proof that Punk was the top merch seller when he was in the WWE? Any receipts?
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They don't release that data, but there should be plenty of news stories from the wrestling sites still up. Plus, seeing Punks stuff top the best sellers lists on WWE Shop at the time. I think enough of us saw that.
 
What's the logic behind pulling the rug out from someone if they're getting over? It makes no sense if its all about what's best for business. More over people means better product thus more money. I just don't get it.
 
PhoReal said:
What's the logic behind pulling the rug out from someone if they're getting over? It makes no sense if its all about what's best for business. More over people means better product thus more money. I just don't get it.
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The mistake is assuming there's logic behind it.
 
PhoReal said:
What's the logic behind pulling the rug out from someone if they're getting over? It makes no sense if its all about what's best for business. More over people means better product thus more money. I just don't get it.
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They don't want you to get over unless you fit their ideal.
 
PhoReal said:
What's the logic behind pulling the rug out from someone if they're getting over? It makes no sense if its all about what's best for business. More over people means better product thus more money. I just don't get it.
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They only want you to get over if it's because of something they do so you feel like you're indebted to them. If you get yourself over, they won't think you deserved it because they had nothing to do with it.

In essence, they want to take credit for a wrestler becoming popular. Either do it under their watch or don't do it at all.

And if you do it accidentally because they have no plans for you, they'll put you in a bunch of embarrassing and stupid situations just to try to show fans that they shouldn't like you for whatever reason.
 
I'm ready for this CM Punk thing to finally die down. It's pretty obvious he's burnt out on wrestling and hopefully he finds peace in the next thing.

Ironically, the WWE is the main reason is why he'll be in demand for whatever the next thing is. Without the WWE, Punk could have easily been another A.J. Styles, highly respected in the wrestling community but a complete non-factor in mainstream pop culture avenues.

Regarding the two pods with Colt Cabana, I just feel it would have been more credible of a story had he at least balanced his story with recognizing the good that partnering with the WWE has done for him, and quite frankly, his wife.

And I'm actually excited for the new blood from NXT to arrive and further mix things up. Tyler Breeze, Sami Zayn, and Adrian Neville in particular have the potential to be huge stars.
 
Amory said:
"Like when the Doors played on the Ed Sullivan show..."
"Oh like doors, like doors you walk through?"
"What? No like the band, the Doors.
"OHH I THOUGHT YOU MEANT LIKE DOORS YOU KNOW LIKE DOORS?"

"Like when he called me when I had just gotten out of the hospital and was still anesthetized..."
"I have no idea what that means"

shit was kind of sad.
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I was half paying attention to the podcast and I made the same mistake as Colt on that first one. I don't know if it as the way Punk said it or my lack of attention but I didn't think of the band at first.

No excuse for that second one.
 
Purexed said:
And I'm actually excited for the new blood from NXT to arrive and further mix things up. Tyler Breeze, Sami Zayn, and Adrian Neville in particular have the potential to be huge stars.
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I'm really not. I hope they stay in NXT as long as possible so I can watch them on a tolerable program.
 
Hasney said:
They don't release that data, but there should be plenty of news stories from the wrestling sites still up. Plus, seeing Punks stuff top the best sellers lists on WWE Shop at the time. I think enough of us saw that.
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like I said, that damn shirt was EVERYWHERE
 
strobogo said:
No. He says it isn't about the money, but all of his complaints outside of the medical stuff are 100% about money. He would have been fine without the WM main event if they paid him like he was in it. When his contract was up, he wouldn't resign unless he got paid more. He's mad they fucked him out of movie money. Fucked him out of convention money. Fucked him out of sponsorship money. But it's not about the money. Mother fucker, EVERYTHING is about the money. And it should be. Trying to pretend like it isn't about money while bitching about all the money you didn't get and shilling t-shirts is horse shit. He's a dude who prides himself on "telling it like it is", yet is trying to bullshit his fans into thinking he wasn't just trying to get a buck like everyone else.

"It's not about the money." "Fuck you, pay me." You can't have it both ways, PAL.
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I may have to listen again, but the only time I remember him saying it "wasn't about the money" was when he was talking about how he could've made money off of selling an interview about his walk-out story, but instead just went to Colt's podcast. Otherwise, of course everything else about while he was with WWE would be about the money, and I'm perfectly fine with that. The guy busted his ass and should be compensated for it.
 
Purexed said:
I'm ready for this CM Punk thing to finally die down. It's pretty obvious he's burnt out on wrestling and hopefully he finds peace in the next thing.

Ironically, the WWE is the main reason is why he'll be in demand for whatever the next thing is. Without the WWE, Punk could have easily been another A.J. Styles, highly respected in the wrestling community but a complete non-factor in mainstream pop culture avenues.

Regarding the two pods with Colt Cabana, I just feel it would have been more credible of a story had he at least balanced his story with recognizing the good that partnering with the WWE has done for him, and quite frankly, his wife.

And I'm actually excited for the new blood from NXT to arrive and further mix things up. Tyler Breeze, Sami Zayn, and Adrian Neville in particular have the potential to be huge stars.
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In reality the hate between Punk and WWE is what made him. That's how he got paid and got big. That's the only reason he ever got to the next level Wrestlemania main event be damned. He's set for life.

It's messed up. Let's say he wasn't a jerk and they liked him. He might have been treated better but would NEVER have made it as big. I'm sure of it. So yes, being a jerk held him back but at the same time got him farther than not being a jerk would have.
 
I think it's partly sour grapes that his dream career was half-shitted on and probably doesn't feel like his time in WWE was mined for all its worth.
 
jmdajr said:
In reality the hate between Punk and WWE is what made him. That's how he got paid and got big. That's the only reason he ever got to the next level Wrestlemania main event be damned. He's set for life.

It's messed up. Let's say he wasn't a jerk and they liked him. He might have been treated better but would NEVER have made it as big. I'm sure of it. So yes, being a jerk held him back but at the same time got him father than not being a jerk would have.
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You definitely have to be a self-centered a-hole to some degree to get that big.
 
jmdajr said:
In reality the hate between Punk and WWE is what made him. That's how he got paid and got big. That's the only reason he ever got to the next level Wrestlemania main event be damned. He's set for life.

It's messed up. Let's say he wasn't a jerk and they liked him. He might have been treated better but would NEVER have made it as big. I'm sure of it. So yes, being a jerk held him back but at the same time got him farther than not being a jerk would have.
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Assholes get somewhere in life, as sad as that sounds.

kirblar said:
You definitely have to be a self-centered a-hole to some degree to get that big.
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Not necessarily self-centered, but knowledgeable at least.

One of the raps punk rock gets post the drugs and booze was that the straightedge lifestyle also pushed for more knowledge and book learning, and I'll bet Punk has taken the time to do some reading and research about how popular he is(well was) in the WWE.
 
jmdajr said:
In reality the hate between Punk and WWE is what made him. That's how he got paid and got big. That's the only reason he ever got to the next level Wrestlemania main event be damned. He's set for life.

It's messed up. Let's say he wasn't a jerk and they liked him. He might have been treated better but would NEVER have made it as big. I'm sure of it. So yes, being a jerk held him back but at the same time got him farther than not being a jerk would have.
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There's some truth to that when you dive deeper, but let's be real, the tension was leveraged into some interesting angles and story arcs that helped him become a made man. Bottom line is that the opportunity to do the "Pipebomb" segment, feud with Rock/Cena/Lesnar/HHH etc., and do shoot-style interviews contributed to the pathos of the CM Punk character.

Yes, it takes a hell of a talent to put it all together to become the 1B to Cena's 1A, but it's a little disingenuous to say he had no help from the WWE to become the star he did. I'm not saying he has to kiss Vince's ass in leaving, but he's not getting a call for a $20K 4-hour sit without the WWE elevating his stock.
 
Purexed said:
There's some truth to that when you dive deeper, but let's be real, the tension was leveraged into some interesting angles and story arcs that helped him become a made man. Bottom line is that the opportunity to do the "Pipebomb" segment, feud with Rock/Cena/Lesnar/HHH etc., and do shoot-style interviews contributed to the pathos of the CM Punk character.

Yes, it takes a hell of a talent to put it all together to become the 1B to Cena's 1A, but it's a little disingenuous to say he had no help from the WWE to become the star he did. I'm not saying he has to kiss Vince's ass in leaving, but he's not getting a call for a $20K 4-hour sit without the WWE elevating his stock.
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It's like what Roddy Pipper always yammers about. "Do you(Hulk) think they would have cheered for you as much if they didn't hate my guts...?"

So it's....Fuck Cena for hogging the spotlight. Fuck HHH for burying everyone. Fuck Rock for being a sellout. I am your fucking hero bitches!

The reality and fiction of it all is all twisted and works together to the success and burn out of one CM PUNK.
 
Ever since CM Punk did that crap to Greg Miller from IGN a few months ago I cant take him seriously. I just think what if Greg was a younger kid and a true fan that would have been devastating.
 
Cj01 said:
Ever since CM Punk did that crap to Greg Miller from IGN a few months ago I cant take him seriously. I just think what if Greg was a younger kid and a true fan that would have been devastating.
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I don't know, I fucking hate being tapped on the back by people I don't know / don't know very well. It's just uncomfortable and can be quite alarming. I can see why people might respond in an abrupt fashion. I don't see what relevance the kid thing has because Miller isn't one.
 
TheDrowningMan said:
I don't know, I fucking hate being tapped on the back by people I don't know / don't know very well. It's just uncomfortable and can be quite alarming. I can see why people might respond in an abrupt fashion. I don't see what relevance the kid thing has because Miller isn't one.
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CM Punk really hates being tapped on the back by people he doesn't know.

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Count me in the camp of someone that would react negatively to being tapped on the shoulder by someone i dont know.
 
tchocky said:
If you are talking about the gif above he hit the guy who accidentally hit him on the back of the head.
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The guy in the grey shirt pushes Punk on the back and immediately backs up to hide. The guy with the black shirt, who had both of his hands occupied with his glasses, gets slapped.

KHarvey16 said:
Someone kidney punched him. He hit the wrong person but it's more understandable when you know it wasn't just a tap.
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Does he keep his kidneys in the back of his neck? That seems dangerous. He definitely got shoved, but he reacted by swinging wildly.

Ron Artest was looked at like a lunatic for years for doing the same thing. Granted, he started calling himself Metta World Peace after that so there were other reasons to see him as a lunatic. But this guy goes around calling himself CM Punk, so really there aren't many differences.
 
Archaix said:
The guy in the grey shirt pushes Punk on the back and immediately backs up to hide. The guy with the black shirt, who had both of his hands occupied with his glasses, gets slapped..
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The guy with the glasses lets go of the glasses with his right hand and it comes down and it looks like it touches him he then puts his glasses on with both hands. I agree the stronger hit comes from the guy in grey.
 
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