Stone Ocean
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Calling out people won't really do anything for the discussion but it sure smells like "I used to mash b+4 with Eddie in T3 when I was a kid"
Tekken 7 - Lucky Chloe revealed
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Actually, she's based on idol culture. Idol culture is not a sexual thing, but rather a passionate thing. Like the term "Moe", which loosely means to burn passionately for something. I'm sure a lot of people will agree that Chloe is based on moe aesthetics and behavior.
Idol culture is about idolizing these women, not sexualizing them.
Cute not sexy.
The thing is I like the IMAS community, and think the IMAS girls are cute (Love Live creeps me out though) . I just think Tekken has gone too far in the direction of goofy. Tekken is not supposed to be a gag fighter like Power Instinct.
I think that's the core complaint, especially since Tekken 7's supposed to be the end of the storyline- that's supposed to make things a bit more serious.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Tekken has always been a gag fighter for the most part. The only "semi" serious one was 1 & 2 really. From there shit went all downhill on the crazy train. Though its not like people really care since lots of players use the more fucked up characters as they are more interesting than the orthodox ones. Granted its not tournament play type of characters, but the fact they are there gives players something to mess around with. Those that dont believe me obviously have not seen a good amount of the endings the game has with the characters lol.
So I just bumped into this post on my Facebook
Bad NeoGAF
At least he corrected himself and not be rude
Too bad love live is the new ish and is winning in the character polls
Stone Ocean
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It's not the end of the storyline, it's the end of the Mishima story. You honestly think she'll have any place in the main events?
Tekken hasn't been serious since T2. You have fighting wood, bears that fart, fucking whatever Dr Boskonovitch is, Heihachi's endings, Yoshimitsu, super fast fat guys, etc, etc, etc.
Too bad love live is the new ish and is winning in the character polls
iM@S is still strong what with the recent movie, series 2 of Puchimas earlier this year and the Cinderella Girls anime coming. Haruka also won best female character in a recent poll. What Love Live benefits from is a stronger western presence because they bothered to release a game over here that people were willing to try out.
I don't buy that. Many, maybe (though it varies from series to series), but not "almost every".
And people will argue that Anna's thing is an ages old thing. She's a femme fatale. It's very common in literature, films, and other forms of pop culture. It's going to be more widely recognized and accepted than what Chloe stems from, which is a much more recent invention.
I think the idea of idolizing these fictional characters is going to come across as being just as strange to the people who believe that they are sexualized. Why idolize the visualized figments of some writer's or artist's imagination? What makes these creations so great that they are deemed worthy of idolization?
Fahrenheit
Banned
Welp, won't be buying this. Any censorship regardless of intent is a no sale for me.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
These days fucking "gamers" want to cry more about games than actually play them. people like that are the ones who are ruining the hobby really. Since there are some occasions where the publishers actually listen to those doinks assuming they are the majority of the consumer base which is anything but.
Stone Ocean
Member
Idol culture is decades old.
And femme fatales are centuries old. Even millennia.
Stone Ocean
Member
Your point was that idols are recent things, which they aren't. The femme fatale trope being older doesn't make it have more value.
Hexa
Member
She's adorable.
I'm pretty sure the censorship thing was a joke.
Hear hear!
I'm pretty sure the censorship thing was a joke.
Hear hear!
nkarafo
Member
I want to believe. I guess i will take your word for it since, judging by your avatar, you are more into japanese culture than i am. Even though mine is from an old anime where monsters rape young girls.
Stone Ocean
Member
Idol culture is a... weird type of passion. An idol's "purity" is a big deal to fans.
Meccanical
Member
Wait, did Harada seriously completely remove he from the American version of the game because NeoGAF complained?
They may find it strange and foreign, but the offensive nature of sexualization would be gone - which I understand is the main issue here. If the biggest complaint people have are philosophical questions like "why are they deemed worthy of idolization?" then I'll say the issue is out of this world.
Love Deterrence
Member
Agreed, wholeheartedly. I'm more into playing games and appreciating them for what they are rather than whining about what they may or may not do.
Stone Ocean
Member
He's not serious.
Fahrenheit
Banned
She's adorable.
I'm pretty sure the censorship thing was a joke.
Hear hear!
Was it? I can't even tell anymore. I really like Tekken so I hope it was
Stone Ocean
Member
Harada was basically saying "oh you guys don't like her I'll add a bald marine instead". It was pretty obvious sarcasm IMO
Yeah, I forgot about the Love Live game...I'm glad Idolmaster has life left in it though. I could do with another puchi season
Idols are cute and they do cute things. This also applies to waifus and husbandos.
I'm explaining why people would hold that viewpoint. Idol culture doesn't have a huge* presence in the west outside of the internet. There are plenty of folks who have never even heard of it, or only know enough to call it "weird anime trash". When confronted with that sort of design so heavily in something that they are familiar with, it shouldn't be surprising that they react with confusion or negativity.
Idol culture might be decades old, but that doesn't mean it's widely recognized, let alone accepted. That's why people draw a line.
*huge presence =/= any presence. I know it does have some presence, but I don't think it's broken into any sort of cultural mainstream in the west.
Meccanical
Member
Well I hope not, I think she looks stupid too but that's just less incentive to play as her and more incentive beat anyone who uses her.
Cyber Caesar
Member
Could you elaborate on this? How are you using this word here?
nkarafo
Member
This post makes sense.
Stone Ocean
Member
Not to be with another sex; virgin, unkissed, does't hold hands with the other sex, smoking, etc.
Careers can be destroyed by just one picture of someone holding hands with another.
nkarafo
Member
Why do i have the feeling that this makes it even worse? Why do i have the feeling that a "virgin" is even more of a sexy thing, especially when you take into account that pedophilia isn't as bad in japan as it is in the west... remember, we are talking about a country where a decade ago you could legally buy magazines with nude minor girls.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Just use Haruka. She is basically the face of the series despite the intentions of it being about all the girls equally. The anime, movie and even Xenoglossia made it perfectly clear she is the main one.
Stone Ocean
Member
It's not about sexuality. It's a really weird thing, idols aren't supposed to be desired.
shiftplusone
Member
is sega publishing Guilty Gear or MKX or something?
Wanted to add to this:
I get the feeling characters like this are often lost in translation with westerners (more so). Judging by the comments here, they think it something sexual, whereas in the east, they dont quite feel the same way.
It is funny because this game isnt just for one region, it is international. There are going to be things you dont understand due to cultural differences.
I have come to the conclusion that I will main Chloe and anger people enough to send me hatemail when I beat them >: D
Have a Nice Day
Member
Then Chloe isn't supposed to be an idol since she is showing cleavage.
Oh yeah, that's one of the worse events :/
Not if my denial can stop this from happening
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Guess that means all of the AKB48 girls are not idols either since they do swimsuit shoots and such.
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New replacement for Gon
MAKE IT HAPPEN HARADA
Japan is pretty crazy about this issue, look at what happened with one AKB48 member, shaved her head for forgiveness:
Shukan Bunshun reported with their latest issue published on January 31st, that AKB48 member Minegishi Minami spent a night at the house of GENERATION member Shirahama Alan. Now, on AKB48s official blog, it was announced that she will be demoted to Kenkyuusei starting on February 1, 2013.
It also says that they will announce further details on Minegishis activities when its decided.
There was a video message from Minegishi who shaved her head which was posted on AKB48s official YouTube channel.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=511074
Mihos
Gold Member
last time I was in Korea and this stuff was on constantly. I just saw it as the same cutesy stuff they (used) to put on Saturday morning like care bears or Pikachu stuff. I never saw anything sexual about it... not to say that young dudes don't sexualize everything. Maybe I am just old and have different context, but she seems like someone my granddaughter would have on a poster or something.
nkarafo
Member
I think this is a case of "forbidden fruit" kind of thing. Your idols can look as sexy as possible, showing boobs, wearing tiny skirts and doing poses to reveal their underwear. But nobody can't touch or think sexually of them, even though your nose betrayed you as it bleeds like a hose. The only one who can do dirty things to them is YOU, in your fantasies. Because if you know that your idol isn't sexually active, meaning there aren't any other males antagonizing you, it helps you think that she is completely yours in your fantasies.
See, i'm not convinced. I still think its about sex.
There's nothing inherently sexual about cleavage.
Mihos
Gold Member
There are male idols too.... and I stick by the "you are sick" prognosis. Think all girl backstreet boys. This would be more analogist to if they added a stereotypical British boy band character, than some kind of dark corner hentai stuff.
