The Flash |OT| Gotta Go Fast - Tuesdays 8/7c

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Seth C said:
So our hero just slaughters his own mom and countless other innocent people? Come on man, I know you want to be right, but it's not in character. At all.
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I don't think it's necessarily that far-fetched. It depends on the events that resulted in Barry traveling back in time in the first place. Superheroes going bad is a staple of the comics, especially when time travel or alternate realities are involved, so it makes some amount of sense.

unholyrevenger72 said:
Cuz he's Eobard and needs it to recharge the suit. the tech did not exist at the time of Nora's Muder so he's kept what power the suit has in reserve for stealing the Tachyon device.
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But then why help the Flash at all? That doesn't seem like something Eobard would do.
 
strafer said:
I gotta say, The Flash is slowly taking first place as my favorite superhero show...

Sorry Amell. :(
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I don't blame Amell for the lacklustre third season when compared to the first two. I think the writers are having a hard time juggling the ever growing cast in Arrow.
 
Green Slime said:
But then why help the Flash at all? That doesn't seem like something Eobard would do.
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Are you kidding? It sounds EXACTLY like Eobard.

Here, some quotes:

Eobard longed for the heroic age of the 20th century. Foremost among the super-heroes, in his mind, was Barry Allen, the second Flash. He worshipped him as a hero and as a friend. He knew everything about Barry, keeping a collection of memorabilia about his hero.
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Barry's life became as real to Eobard as did his own. He underwent a Plastomorph operation to make himself look like Barry. One day, he came across Barry's cosmic treadmill in an antique store. He killed the cashier in order to acquire this Holy Grail of Flash collectibles. Now, Eobard had the means to meet his idol. All he had to do then was to somehow duplicate the reaction that gave Barry his superspeed. The ordeal cost him his fortune and shaved years off his life, but he knew that he now had the chance to become Barry's friend and partner.
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He is able to use a machine to amplify the suit's speed energy, providing the abilities of the Flash as long as he wears it. In the process, the colors of the costume reverse, with the suit becoming yellow, the boots and lightning bolt highlights turning red, and the chest symbol's white circle becoming black.
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At this point it sounds so much like Wells that I feel like I'm posting spoilers.
 
AdrianWerner said:
But it's very slow. . That's the problem with Flash game. How do you recreate the speed.
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I would make it toogleable and maybe for the sake of the game bound to something like mana (exhaustion?). The problem here would be putting enemies in your way. You can't fill Central City with thousands of speed demons or something like that. Maybe a boss only game in the style of Shadow of the Colossus would be fitting, where there are few, but exciting and difficult fights, with a open world that is filled with really minor crimes where you can play around.
 
Green Slime said:
We're arguing over a guy that kills Flash's mother. That sounds much more like Hunter Zolomon than Eobard Thawne.
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Eobard killed Flash's wife.

But yes, one Reverse Flash was from the future and idolized Barry Allen while another specifically felt his goal should be to test Flash and make him struggle so that he could become the best Flash he could be.

Now, back to the show. Which person seems like a mashup of these two characters?
 
Seth C said:
So our hero just slaughters his own mom and countless other innocent people? Come on man, I know you want to be right, but it's not in character. At all. Barry Allen, while smart, is also not the super genius that Wells has been shown to be. Meanwhile, guess what? A version of Zoom/Reverse Flash is a professor. Barry is a forensic scientist.

It seems FAR more plausible that Wells is a descendant of Eddie, pulled back in time, and he is working to make sure the future he comes from is the one that comes to pass. He is influencing this timeline to create the one he wants.
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My initial thought when watching the end scene was Wells inherited the suit and everything that comes with it. But beyond that there are too many variables in play for me to make a decision as to what is going on.
 
AdrianWerner said:
But it's very slow. . That's the problem with Flash game. How do you recreate the speed.
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It looks slow in the video, but it feels much faster when you're playing and there are lots of speed boosts littered around the area which really kick up the speed.

wamberz1 said:
Yea that's the reason I think SR4 does it better. I haven't played first light so I can't really compare, but you can run up skyscrapers and across water in SR4.
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If you've got a PS4 and Plus sub, it's free next month. Check it out, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by how fast it feels when you're playing.

Having said that, running across water in SR4 was fantastic.
 
Green Slime said:
Because he was in love with her. Hunter Zolomon caused Flash's wife to miscarry because he believed that personal tragedy would make the Flash a better hero.
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Right. So, Wells carries the traits and parts of the backstory of BOTH Reverse Flash's? But I'm sure he isn't the Reverse Flash. Even though he did the voice for the Reverse Flash.

Instead Barry is slaughtering everyone, because that makes more sense.

Napoleonthechimp said:
My initial thought when watching the end scene was Wells inherited the suit and everything that comes with it. But beyond that there are too many variables in play for me to make a decision as to what is going on.
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Lots of possibilities. But Wells being Barry Allen from the future just isn't one of them. Eddie may be a reverse Flash. Nothing can rule that out, but Wells definitely is a Reverse Flash and Barry didn't kill his own mother. I'd put money on it.
 
Green Slime said:
But then why help the Flash at all? That doesn't seem like something Eobard would do.
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My theory from earlier in the thread

unholyrevenger72 said:
Wells is Eobard Thawne, furthering the Time is Cyclical themes of Comic Books, Wells makes The Flash. 5 centuries later Eobard becomes obsessed with the Flash, turns himself into Reverse Flash, wants to defeat the Flash, but Flash is long dead. He pours over news paper articles, sees a picture of himself but is titled Prof. Harrison Wells, realizes he's Wells travels back in time using the Cosmic Treadmill to be Wells and creates the Flash.
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He does this so he can have the self Gratification of defeating the Flash himself
 
unholyrevenger72 said:
My theory from earlier in the thread



He does this so he can have the self Gratification of defeating the Flash himself
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If you altered your theory slightly to make it so that future Eobard isn't specifically Wells, but he time traveled back in time and took on that persona (possibly even killing the original, explaining why he fakes needing a wheelchair) then I'd say you're on to something.
 
Realize that any version will probably by heavily-influenced by Geoff Johns, who created Zolomon and re-introduced and re-defined Eobard with Flash: Rebirth and Flashpoint. Going on those, it's highly likely Wells is exactly who he looks like, the Reverse-Flash, with no real twists to it. Note, in Rebirth, Zoom believes that Barry is required in order for him to exist.
 
Seth C said:
If you altered your theory slightly to make it so that future Eobard isn't specifically Wells, but he time traveled back in time and took on that persona (possibly even killing the original, explaining why he fakes needing a wheelchair) then I'd say you're on to something.
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Yea that might make sense.

Miles Quaritch said:
If you've got a PS4 and Plus sub, it's free next month. Check it out, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by how fast it feels when you're playing.

Having said that, running across water in SR4 was fantastic.
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No ps4 :( which sucks because i loved infamous 1 and 2.
 
Seth C said:
Right. So, Wells carries the traits and parts of the backstory of BOTH Reverse Flash's? But I'm sure he isn't the Reverse Flash. Even though he did the voice for the Reverse Flash.

Instead Barry is slaughtering everyone, because that makes more sense.



Lots of possibilities. But Wells being Barry Allen from the future just isn't one of them. Eddie may be a reverse Flash. Nothing can rule that out, but Wells definitely is a Reverse Flash and Barry didn't kill his own mother. I'd put money on it.
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I'd still like Eddie to be one, or at least become one by Wells' machinations. Having Eddie becoming the first RF and then leaving a legacy that Wells picks up centuries later? I could see that.

I also like the idea of Nora Allen being intentionally killed by Wells or another RF (likely Wells because Eddie as RF needs a long time to develop) to ensure that Barry becomes the Flash. But holding onto theories like that usually leaves me disappointed.
 
Napoleonthechimp said:
I also like the idea of Nora Allen being intentionally killed by Wells or another RF (likely Wells because Eddie as RF needs a long time to develop) to ensure that Barry becomes the Flash. But holding onto theories like that usually leaves me disappointed.
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The theory makes extra sense after this week's episode. Barry's father comments specifically that the death of Nora and the wrongful imprisonment of his father is what caused Barry to not only hide his feelings for Iris, but more importantly enter the career he's currently in. That career is what put him where he needed to be when the accident that gave him his powers occurred. Hiding his feelings also allowed Iris to date Eddie, which will inevitably (IMO) lead to her dumping him for Barry, and in turn resulting in Eddie becoming Zoom.
 
The episode was pretty good. Once again I'm glad that they nailed the speed effect. When I heard that they're going to make a Flash TV series, I quickly dismissed it, because I didn't think they'd be able to make it look good ( just like in Smallville). That said, I really thought Firestorm looked terrible (the fire effect over his head and hands) and the scene at the end where he took off was ridiculous and not in a good way. Speaking of ridiculous, how comes that the Reverse Flash didn't see the attack coming and dodged it?and don't tell me he was too focused on Barry. Barry traveled faster than electricity and the Reverse a Flash is even faster at this point and he couldn't dodge some fire? The end was really where the episode fell apart for me. I didn't like the Wells reveal either and I hope it's not him.

Oh well, I still like the show and it's much, much better than the third season of Arrow. This mid-season finale left us waiting on a high note. Whereas the Arrow mid-season finale is supposed to save the shitty season that's been going on so far.
 
Napoleonthechimp said:
I'd still like Eddie to be one, or at least become one by Wells' machinations. Having Eddie becoming the first RF and then leaving a legacy that Wells picks up centuries later? I could see that.

I also like the idea of Nora Allen being intentionally killed by Wells or another RF (likely Wells because Eddie as RF needs a long time to develop) to ensure that Barry becomes the Flash. But holding onto theories like that usually leaves me disappointed.
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I won't be surprised if Eddie is the first (in continuity) Reverse Flash, and I don't think you will be disappointed. We know Reverse Flash didn't exist (in continuity) when Barry's mom died, we know Wells just sort of "showed up" about the same time, we know one person (Wells) who has been shown to have the means to time travel or at least see into other time periods, and we know Wells has shown a specific desire to ensure certain events in Barry's life unfold in a specific way. It doesn't take a genius to see the picture at this point.
 
Seth C said:
I won't be surprised if Eddie is the first (in continuity) Reverse Flash, and I don't think you will be disappointed. We know Reverse Flash didn't exist (in continuity) when Barry's mom died, we know Wells just sort of "showed up" about the same time, we know one person (Wells) who has been shown to have the means to time travel or at least see into other time periods, and we know Wells has shown a specific desire to ensure certain events in Barry's life unfold in a specific way. It doesn't take a genius to see the picture at this point.
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Ever hear of a red herring? It's been too obvious from the beginning, and it's too obvious now. There has to be more to it.
 
Green Slime said:
Ever hear of a red herring? It's been too obvious from the beginning, and it's too obvious now. There has to be more to it.
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I have, but when your alternative is mind numbingly out of character and requires gigantic leaps of faith, I'll take the red herring. And there doesn't have to be something more. There isn't always something more. For most people, who aren't familiar with the comics, the revelation last night that Wells could be Reverse Flash was undoubtedly mind blowing.

There were hints he was suspicious, but there weren't any solid clues of that. It's all been fairly subtle. Barry being Wells, on the other hand, makes no sense. I'll take the obvious over that. You're trying to create a narrative where Barry Allan is the Flash AND Wells AND Reverse Flash. It's...stupid. Sorry. I think it's dumb, I don't think it makes sense, I think its a massive logical leap off a mountain, and your opposing argument is "but where is future Flash now?" So far, all we know is another speedster was there that night. Future Flash? Maybe. You're creating a future Flash that we don't even know exists to use as a fault in a theory that opposes yours. I'm finished talking about this with you. You'll just have to wait to be wrong or something. If you're right, I'll come eat crow, I PROMISE. Otherwise I'm done with this debate.
 
Seth C said:
I have, but when your alternative is mind numbingly out of character and requires gigantic leaps of faith, I'll take the red herring. And there doesn't have to be something more. There isn't always something more. For most people, who aren't familiar with the comics, the revelations last night that Wells could be Reverse Flash was undoubtedly mind blowing.

There were hints he was suspicious, but there weren't any solid clues of that. It's all been fairly subtle. Barry being Wells, on the other hand, makes no sense. I'll take the obvious over that. You're trying to create a narrative where Barry Allan is the Flash AND Wells AND Reverse Flash. It's...stupid. Sorry.
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The show has hinted that Barry and Wells are one and the same numerous times. The actors look similar, they have similar mannerisms, and it's been pointed out (as recently as this week's episode) that they're very similar in the way they think. THAT, to me, is very telling, especially for a show that has fourteen episodes to go before undoubtedly unraveling all of its' secrets for us.
 
Green Slime said:
The show has hinted that Barry and Wells are one and the same numerous times. The actors look similar, they have similar mannerisms, and it's been pointed out (as recently as this week's episode) that they're very similar in the way they think. THAT, to me, is very telling, especially for a show that has fourteen episodes to go before undoubtedly unraveling all of its' secrets for us.
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Has the show ever suggested that Barry is a super genius, one of the smartest people in the entire world? Has it ever suggested he is a cold-blooded murderer? These ARE defining traits for Wells.

-The actors are lanky and brown haired. Wow, unheard of. They aren't the same height.
-The don't talk the same, they don't move the same, they don't behave the same, the don't act on the same code of morality.
-Wells only regenerated when near the suit. Barry regenerates always. Wonder why?

There was ONE comment, on the most recent episode, from a character who had spent 3 minutes around Barry, saying they think alike. That's...it. That's what you're resting your theory on. An old woman who didn't know anything about Barry making a snide remark.

Please give me ONE example where you can definitively state the show hinted they are the same person. I'll be waiting, but like, doing something else in the mean time, that takes a while, because I'm going to have a lot of free time on my hands.
 
Seth C said:
Has the show ever suggested that Barry is a super genius, one of the smartest people in the entire world? Has it ever suggested he is a cold blooded murder?

-The actors are lanky and brown haired. Wow, unheard of. They aren't the same height.
-The don't talk the same, they don't move the same, they don't behave the same, the don't act on the same code of morality.
-Wells only regenerated when near the suit. Barry regenerates always.

There was ONE comment, on the most recent episode, from a character who had spent 3 minutes around Barry, saying they think alike. That's...it. That's what you're resting your theory on. An old woman who didn't know anything about Barry making a snide remark.
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That hasn't stopped Jon Hamm from pretending to be an older version of Daniel Radcliffe. Not that I think Wells is an older version of Barry. I doubt he is.
 
I'm thankful that my GIF now has even deeper meaning because of the episode
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I will post it until the end of time
 
Unless they improved First Light's gameplay from Second Son a whole bunch, SRIV soundly beats it for the super hero experience.

Problem with Flash is he'd need a huge map due to how fast he traverses. And big maps tend to be empty maps.
 
the yellow light that barry saw when he was a little kid was himself from the future saving his own ass, is the only explanation of how barry ended up on the street
 
Well it's pretty obvious to anyone who has picked up a flash book knows what was going on in the first epidosde.

Flash and Reverse Flash are going at it. The cosmic treadmill will obviously be Barry's means of time traveling. Whereas Reverse Flash using his time power(powered suit apparently) for his superspeed. This reverse flash may be Eobord Thawn but, his powers scream Zoom. He has no connection to the speed force apparently.
 
dEvAnGeL said:
the yellow light that barry saw when he was a little kid was himself from the future saving his own ass, is the only explanation of how barry ended up on the street
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As I've said in this thread: I honestly thought it was pretty obvious that the flash and RF were fighting each other in the past. But maybe that's just because I'm familiar with the comics.

However, the reverse flash in live action form is way better than any of the comic book or animated versions I've seen.
 
Napoleonthechimp said:
As I've said in this thread: I honestly thought it was pretty obvious that the flash and RF were fighting each other in the past. But maybe that's just because I'm familiar with the comics.

However, the reverse flash in live action form is way better than any of the comic book or animated versions I've seen.
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Have you not seen the Flashpoint animated film?
 
This show is quickly becoming one of my favourites, I thoroughly enjoy every episode.
 
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