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IrishNinja said:
did heads care when 50 exposed officer ricky? authenticity rarely matters if you're liked
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From what I've seen/read, "authenticity" arguments exist solely to aggrandize or disparage certain artists by certain listeners. They're a tool for stanleys to draw lines in the sand. "Authenticity" contains absolutely zero relevance to the product that's presented.
 
IrishNinja said:
if rakim didn't exist, nas woudln't exist
if phonte didn't exist, drake wouldn't exist
chuck d, slick rick, kane - i just removed a ton of your favorite rappers without them
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yeh but the difference is all these artists have the god gene and these styles and patterns were destined to be reincarnated by astrological order.

they didn't have to count steps and beats, write and note them down on paper. it was all natural and authenticated from time beyond.

these imitations are just like the old school blackmarket chinese gameboy 500-1 game cartridges

let's keep it real.
 
DC R1D3R said:
yeh but the difference is all these artists have the god gene and these styles and patterns were destined to be reincarnated by astrological order.

they didn't have to count steps and beats, write and note them down on paper. it was all natural and authenticated from time beyond.

these imitations are just like the old school blackmarket chinese gameboy 500-1 game cartridges

let's keep it real.
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Okay so you ARE a joke account.

I think we can move on now.
 
jakefromstatefarm said:
why?
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Good question. When I heard the "truth" about Rick Ross, I almost lost my shit, and then a few days later I heard "hustlin" on the radio, and realized, that nothing has changed, and I wonder why.


Information overload? Huxleys brave new world scenario of truth and authenticity getting undermined in a shitstorm of information overflow. people get desensitized and nobody does anything about a lot of things because it's easier than ever to lose track or make endless debates about anything, as hordes of people will defend any subject. It's like, almost no matter how insane it is, people will take the other side out of an emotional response. They interpretate the whole thing out from their emotional lens and then nobody knows what the hell we're arguing about here.
 
i get people like to argue authenticity, but at the end of the day these hiphop musicians are artists and performers. i dont think someone needs to be the same person in their actual life as they are in the musical life, although ill personally like their music more if they do the things they say they do. but there's countless rap artists who make up these personas and only use them as creative ideas, i think thats fine. its music, art, and entertainment, i think these artists are free to create what they please, authentic or not.
 
jakefromstatefarm said:
From what I've seen/read, "authenticity" arguments exist solely to aggrandize or disparage certain artists by certain listeners. They're a tool for stanleys to draw lines in the sand. "Authenticity" contains absolutely zero relevance to the product that's presented.
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Means zero? That's total bullshit when the music industry relies on creating cults of personality. If we're gonna be constantly told about how someone like 50 cent was shot 9 times then at the very least he should have got himself shot 9 times.

Otherwise they should shut the hell up and let the content they produce do the work for them. But we all know music relies more on cult of personality than content.
 
jakefromstatefarm said:
From what I've seen/read, "authenticity" arguments exist solely to aggrandize or disparage certain artists by certain listeners. They're a tool for stanleys to draw lines in the sand. "Authenticity" contains absolutely zero relevance to the product that's presented.
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So you don't think someone's life experiences can contribute better to subject matter compared to someone that's fabricated?

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. I'm simply curious.
 
WanderingWind said:
But, I mean, Bronson still sucks and I think that's the important take away from all of this.
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fuckouttahere WW

jakefromstatefarm said:
From what I've seen/read, "authenticity" arguments exist solely to aggrandize or disparage certain artists by certain listeners. They're a tool for stanleys to draw lines in the sand. "Authenticity" contains absolutely zero relevance to the product that's presented.
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i mean, it's nice when you buy the source/narrative but so much is storytelling, especially now
dudes like saigon, papoose & co could keep it 100, they'd have the same tracks & fans
 
Rap/hip hop is weird with how it treats authenticity. Puffy will never come up in discussion about the realest dude in the game, but he's done more gangster shit than most. 50 took out police protection orders. Game tattoo'd a butterfly on his face, was on a dating show, but still survived getting shot 5 times and has probably beat up 50 percent of LA rappers. Macklemore is the fakest guy around, even though he's never tried to be anything but a white dude from the NW. Nas is always up there in discussion about making the most intelligent music out there, but his whole life has been dumb decision after dumb decision. Lupe on that same thing, but to the lesser extent. Drake raps about catching bodies, but keeps getting punched out in wine bars. Bobby 'dancing for dollars' Schmurda was strapped to take down the Predator.

Basically, authenticity has lost all meaning and now just means "do I like this rapper?" We're a long way from the Wu having a FBI file.
 
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The slights against Iggy are foul but not unwarranted to an extent. People have issues with what this represents in the form of an apparent whitewashing of the culture. They point to one of the MTV awards shows this year where producers made it a point to exclude any traditional hip-hop artist performances. It's not completely unwarranted but we need to look at this objectively.

Iggy had to earn her stripes and was on the verge of getting dropped until Fancy worked. If it is so easy to gain acceptance as a white hip-hop artist then why hasn't Haystak blown up? Bubba Sparxx is around but not nearly as prominent as he could be. Action Bronson has his own lane and is prospering. Riff Raff is genuinely regarded as a joke but he was managed by OG Ron C and Houston doesn't give passes so easily. Finally, let's not forget about MGK, best young artist IMHO. It took years for people to come around to him.

Lay off Iggy, people. It would be nice if she rapped in her normal voice. However, the first place she lived in the US was the South so of course her records reflect her interpretation of this art form. If I move to Perth, eventually I'll develop an accent and have people looking at me crazy as well.
 
WanderingWind said:
Rap/hip hop is weird with how it treats authenticity. Puffy will never come up in discussion about the realest dude in the game, but he's done more gangster shit than most. 50 took out police protection orders. Game tattoo'd a butterfly on his face, was on a dating show, but still survived getting shot 5 times and has probably beat up 50 percent of LA rappers. Macklemore is the fakest guy around, even though he's never tried to be anything but a white dude from the NW. Nas is always up there in discussion about making the most intelligent music out there, but his whole life has been dumb decision after dumb decision. Lupe on that same thing, but to the lesser extent. Drake raps about catching bodies, but keeps getting punched out in wine bars. Bobby 'dancing for dollars' Schmurda was strapped to take down the Predator.

Basically, authenticity has lost all meaning and now just means "do I like this rapper?" We're a long way from the Wu having a FBI file.
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I like this post a lot.
 
WanderingWind said:
Rap/hip hop is weird with how it treats authenticity. Puffy will never come up in discussion about the realest dude in the game, but he's done more gangster shit than most. 50 took out police protection orders. Game tattoo'd a butterfly on his face, was on a dating show, but still survived getting shot 5 times and has probably beat up 50 percent of LA rappers. Macklemore is the fakest guy around, even though he's never tried to be anything but a white dude from the NW. Nas is always up there in discussion about making the most intelligent music out there, but his whole life has been dumb decision after dumb decision. Lupe on that same thing, but to the lesser extent. Drake raps about catching bodies, but keeps getting punched out in wine bars. Bobby 'dancing for dollars' Schmurda was strapped to take down the Predator.
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Furyous said:
The slights against Iggy are foul but not unwarranted to an extent. People have issues with what this represents in the form of an apparent whitewashing of the culture. They point to one of the MTV awards shows this year where producers made it a point to exclude any traditional hip-hop artist performances. It's not completely unwarranted but we need to look at this objectively.

Iggy had to earn her stripes and was on the verge of getting dropped until Fancy worked. If it is so easy to gain acceptance as a white hip-hop artist then why hasn't Haystak blown up? Bubba Sparxx is around but not nearly as prominent as he could be. Action Bronson has his own lane and is prospering. Riff Raff is genuinely regarded as a joke but he was managed by OG Ron C and Houston doesn't give passes so easily. Finally, let's not forget about MGK, best young artist IMHO. It took years for people to come around to him.

Lay off Iggy, people. It would be nice if she rapped in her normal voice. However, the first place she lived in the US was the South so of course her records reflect her interpretation of this art form. If I move to Perth, eventually I'll develop an accent and have people looking at me crazy as well.
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I bet you wouldn't.
 
Bam Bam Baklava said:
Means zero? That's total bullshit when the music industry relies on creating cults of personality. If we're gonna be constantly told about how someone like 50 cent was shot 9 times then at the very least he should have got himself shot 9 times.
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This is a good point and one I overlooked. Perception of authenticity does have real ramifications on an artist's commercial viability.

Courage said:
So you don't think someone's life experiences can contribute better to subject matter compared to someone that's fabricated?
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Performance is the nature of the American entertainment industry; it's performance/spectacle that determines the marketability of a product. Sincerity in lyrical content can certainly contribute to a listener enjoying/identifying with that product, but ultimately, that's a subjective call, not one you can paint broad strokes with. The next step of the argument gets into the dynamic between authorial intent and audience interpretation: who's to say one interpretation is more valid than another, especially when it conflicts with the artists expressed/perceived intent? Why is the aforementioned intent even valid to begin with? Imo, none of those questions have concrete answers.
 
jakefromstatefarm said:
From what I've seen/read, "authenticity" arguments exist solely to aggrandize or disparage certain artists by certain listeners. They're a tool for stanleys to draw lines in the sand. "Authenticity" contains absolutely zero relevance to the product that's presented.
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why did bobby get taken in?
 
Furyous said:
The slights against Iggy are foul but not unwarranted to an extent. People have issues with what this represents in the form of an apparent whitewashing of the culture. They point to one of the MTV awards shows this year where producers made it a point to exclude any traditional hip-hop artist performances. It's not completely unwarranted but we need to look at this objectively.

Iggy had to earn her stripes and was on the verge of getting dropped until Fancy worked. If it is so easy to gain acceptance as a white hip-hop artist then why hasn't Haystak blown up? Bubba Sparxx is around but not nearly as prominent as he could be. Action Bronson has his own lane and is prospering. Riff Raff is genuinely regarded as a joke but he was managed by OG Ron C and Houston doesn't give passes so easily. Finally, let's not forget about MGK, best young artist IMHO. It took years for people to come around to him.

Lay off Iggy, people. It would be nice if she rapped in her normal voice. However, the first place she lived in the US was the South so of course her records reflect her interpretation of this art form. If I move to Perth, eventually I'll develop an accent and have people looking at me crazy as well.
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Would this accent only magically come out when you're singing but when you're speaking normally/giving interviews you revert back to your untouched US accent? D:
 
jakefromstatefarm said:
Performance is the nature of the American entertainment industry; it's performance/spectacle that determines the marketability of a product. Sincerity in lyrical content can certainly contribute to a listener enjoying/identifying with that product, but ultimately, that's a subjective call, not one you can paint broad strokes with. The next step of the argument gets into the dynamic between authorial intent and audience interpretation: who's to say one interpretation is more valid than another, especially when it conflicts with the artists expressed/perceived intent? Why is the aforementioned intent even valid to begin with? Imo, none of those questions have concrete answers.
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Makes sense.
 
Courage said:
Makes sense.
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I'd be straight up lying if I said I there was no music I valued because I identify with it. In fact, that's how some of the strongest connections are made between music and listener, and it's the origin point of stanleyism. It's when stanleys project those connections into arguments for/against certain genres/artists/whatever that I take issue.
 
Angelus Errare said:
Would this accent only magically come out when you're singing but when you're speaking normally/giving interviews you revert back to your untouched US accent? D:
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But the thing is this happens all the time. I mean, how often is it that a new soul singer comes out and has everyone thinking that they MUST be from Louisiana or something, only for them to open their mouths in an interview and hit you with a strong accent and the revelation that they're actually from Liverpool? Amy Winehouse, Duffy, Emili Sandé, and Joss Stone immediately spring to mind.

Performers lose their accents all the time while performing, and the styles that they're influence by come through.
 
jakefromstatefarm said:
I'd be straight up lying if I said I there was no music I valued because I identify with it. In fact, that's how some of the strongest connections are made between music and listener, and it's the origin point of stanleyism. It's when stanleys project those connections into arguments for/against certain genres/artists/whatever that I take issue.
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Someone's gonna hafta explain 'Stanleyism' to me
 
I left the thread to watch a movie and DC still shitting up the thread?

Dude probably has nothing but ICP , everlast,vanilla ice and limp bizkit that he raps to in the shower or front of the mirror in the basement.
 
WanderingWind said:
Rap/hip hop is weird with how it treats authenticity. Puffy will never come up in discussion about the realest dude in the game, but he's done more gangster shit than most. 50 took out police protection orders. Game tattoo'd a butterfly on his face, was on a dating show, but still survived getting shot 5 times and has probably beat up 50 percent of LA rappers. Macklemore is the fakest guy around, even though he's never tried to be anything but a white dude from the NW. Nas is always up there in discussion about making the most intelligent music out there, but his whole life has been dumb decision after dumb decision. Lupe on that same thing, but to the lesser extent. Drake raps about catching bodies, but keeps getting punched out in wine bars. Bobby 'dancing for dollars' Schmurda was strapped to take down the Predator.

Basically, authenticity has lost all meaning and now just means "do I like this rapper?" We're a long way from the Wu having a FBI file.
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I liked how someone translated a freestyle rap about who came from the most "real" hood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6H0i1RAdHk
 
Infinite said:
Maybe Banks isn't the right person we want to start this discussion but damnit she's the only one with presumably nothing to lose to speak up about it. He's right though, it's not white music versus black music it's about erasure , "bad" art, and the commodifying of it. Iggy Azealia is a fucking Trojan horse for that shit.
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People with more to lose have spoken up about it, most more coherently and without fighting racism with double down racism. We shouldn't pay Banks any attention, really. She is a perfect concoction of doing it wrong and 1upping everything you are criticizing.

Mesousa said:
People know Iggy hates negros, they are just too busy hating negros along with her to call her out on it.

She could put on black face and people still wouldn't speak out. This is white privilege in hip hop.
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Completely false as evidenced by what happened to Asher Roth, which was a tiny bit tamer too (plus nobody really believes Roth was racist either, and there's certainly a bit more going for Iggy). She would drop out of the sky on an instant.

White privilege of hip-hop is a sizably larger fan base based on your skin color and a slightly more expansive creative license with restrictions in some race-related places. I don't think we're nearly at the point where any rapper who is white can pop off like that, since they still get hit with 10x more scrutiny trying to enter the game and most won't even get heard for their skin color.
 
royalan said:
But the thing is this happens all the time. I mean, how often is it that a new soul singer comes out and has everyone thinking that they MUST be from Louisiana or something, only for them to open their mouths in an interview and hit you with a strong accent and the revelation that they're actually from Liverpool? Amy Winehouse, Duffy, Emili Sandé, and Joss Stone immediately spring to mind.

Performers lose their accents all the time while performing, and the styles that they're influence by come through.
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This. The accent thing is ridiculous. Keith Urban (Australian country singer) sings with a Southern twang and I don't remember seeing a bunch of rednecks jumping up and down when he started to make some coin off it.
 
Infinite said:
This is what I'm talking about. Where did they say that? Where is the implication as to that is what they meant? This is why these discussions are annoying because people do this in these threads all day. He's clearly not saying that because iggy is from Australia that she's not allowed to be a rapper. He's saying that her style and her entire rap persona is phony and it's even more transparent because she's clearly just the pretty bankable white face a bunch of suits gave a microphone and some bars too.
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This describes 90% of pop music, including fake ass Drake and Nikki.

Hell, it describes Gaga as well.
 
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