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[Ninja Scooter]

News to me.

I don't like Crusader Kings 2. It's not for me. I just now learned that means it's also a bad game.

What exactly is the criteria then? What if Jeff doesn't just think "Smash Bros is not for me" but rather thinks it's not a good game? I share that opinion. I have never enjoyed playing Smasn Bros. What else is it than a bad game?

You guys get way too hung up on having your opinions validated. Same thing when people complain about review scores.

 

[Hellsing321]

Snap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsYbWus0Vbg

Would you like some cheese to go with that whine, Jaffe?

 

[JeTmAn81]

It does seem like Jeff is more negative about things than he used to be. There are just way too many games the very mention of which will cause him to speak up and dismiss.

 

[tchocky]

Oh cool, I do have both of those. Are they coming to vita at any time though?

Nidhogg is cross buy not sure about the fall though.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Bayonetta 2 was pretty high on his personal list this year and I think he enjoyed the 3d world and galaxy mario games as well. You can be fond of nintendo and not like smash or mario kart.

He didn't appear to like 3D World. He said it was boring every time it came up, then said it was dumb internet bullshit later.

He thought a game like Destiny should be one of the ten best games this year, but was adamant Mario did not belong anywhere near the top ten list last year.

 

[JayEH]

Lol, c'mon Jaffe. Don't do this again.

 

[Camisado]

It does seem like Jeff is more negative about things than he used to be. There are just way too many games the very mention of which will cause him to speak up and dismiss.

For me it just seems to be his approach to it.

I feel like he used to go in with a positive attitude and energy and then if he found something not to like he would rip it a new one.

A lot of the time now it seems like he's decided that something is going to suck before having even played it and then goes out of his way to prove that point.

 

[Infinite Justice]

To be fair, Patrick kind of crossed the line in my opinion. He got really personal for no reason.

Was it the stuff about being "edgy" in this day and age and how it doesn't work for him? if so i can see that a bit in the game tbh.

But still instead of making that stuff bend your out of shape just concentrate on what you want to do.

 

[Grisby]

Nidhogg is cross buy not sure about the fall though.

Coolio.

 

[nckillthegrimace]

He didn't appear to like 3D World. He said it was boring every time it came up, then said it was dumb internet bullshit later.

He thought a game like Destiny should be one of the ten best games this year, but was adamant Mario did not belong anywhere near the top ten list last year.

Last year's list is fucking horrible.

 

[KarmaCow]

What exactly is the criteria then? What if Jeff doesn't just think "Smash Bros is not for me" but rather thinks it's not a good game? I share that opinion. I have never enjoyed playing Smasn Bros. What else is it than a bad game?

You guys get way too hung up on having your opinions validated. Same thing when people complain about review scores.

Not to dive into this nonsense but in general, it is annoying when he doesn't like or even care about a game it becomes a blight upon the medium with no real explanation. He's playing it up for laughs but it gets old when it happens all the time. It's not like he's incapable of explaining why in the podcast, he did for Destiny when pressed but instead we get the WORST GAME EVA bit over and over.

Though I guess if he did actually explain it wouldn't stop the responses (see: Driveclub). I'm just tired of the routine.

 

[Vire]

To be fair, Patrick kind of crossed the line in my opinion. He got really personal for no reason.

No reason? He prattled on stage like a belligerent child using the words "fucktard" on a public stage. He deserves every bit of ridicule and then some.

 

[BolognaSoup]

What exactly is the criteria then? What if Jeff doesn't just think "Smash Bros is not for me" but rather thinks it's not a good game? I share that opinion. I have never enjoyed playing Smasn Bros. What else is it than a bad game?

You guys get way too hung up on having your opinions validated. Same thing when people complain about review scores.

There's a difference between recognizing that a game is well done but not for you vs something that is just simply a bad game. Not every game you dislike is in the Alien Colonial Marines category.

 

[JayEH]

To be fair, Patrick kind of crossed the line in my opinion. He got really personal for no reason.

Jaffe needs to learn to ignore people. Who cares what a few guys on a podcast say? Prove them wrong and make a great game. Don't take petty shots on Twitter. If anything he should contact them privately and say he didn't think they're assement was unfair. This doesn't help his image at all.

 

[border]

It's interesting that this podcast was clearly recorded before The Dark Below released. Brad mentions that he's "counting the hours until the expansion releases tonight." I kind of wonder if some of these conversations would have gone a little differently post-Dark Below and some of the other last-minute events and discussions of the year.

I wonder how Brad feels about Destiny now after the Dark Below came out since the recording. Even as a fan of the game, I think Bungie should be ashamed that they're charging $20 for that pathetic offering.

Why do people keep wondering if The Dark Below DLC was going to change Brad's opinion of Destiny?

Of course he is still going to like the game. He gives his rationale within the podcast you just listened to -- "I'm going to get 15-20 hours of play out of the expansion, so it's totally worth it for me."

 

[Ninja Scooter]

There's a difference between recognizing that a game is well done but not for you vs something that is just simply a bad game. Not every game you dislike is in the Alien Colonial Marines category.

Not every game that someone says is "bad" is necessarily in the Alien Colonial Marines category. Saying it's "bad" doesn't mean it's the worst piece of shit ever. I didn't like Mordor, their GotY. I have no interest in playing any more of it. I hated the controls and combat. It's a bad game to me.

 

[Infinite Justice]

Jaffe needs to learn to ignore people. Who cares what a few guys on a podcast say? Prove them wrong and make a great game. Don't take petty shots on Twitter. If anything he should contact them privately and say he didn't think they're assement was unfair. This doesn't help his image at all.

Indeed.

 

[bigwinnerx]

Jaffe needs to learn to ignore people. Who cares what a few guys on a podcast say? Prove them wrong and make a great game. Don't take petty shots on Twitter. If anything he should contact them privately and say he didn't think they're assement was unfair. This doesn't help his image at all.

I really have no idea who he is except now I think he's an asshole.

 

[Scrabble]

Would be awesome if Jaffe would just stop talking. This guy is so insufferable. God forbid someone not like your game. There are plenty of people who are interested in it so focus on those people instead of whining about how the GB guys didn't like it.

That tweet could very well be nothing but the result of anger of having giant bomb shit talk his game, but he's not wrong either way. More often than not they just seem to have this smug assholeish attitude about them. There's criticism, and than there's just being a fucking asshole deeped in cynicism. I felt pretty uncomfortable hearing them talk about Jaffe in that episode, so I can't blame him for having the reaction he did. The people saying he's salty... like come the fuck on. Get some perspective, they were straight up insulting the dude and that's not cool.

Critics in general just seem like awful cynical people, who lack the talent to create anything, so instead just shit on other people's work. Not all critics of course, and some genuinely take it seriously and try to be fair. But giant bomb has progressively turned into nothing more than a neo gaf drive by shit post as of late, that people really only go to because admittedly it's sometimes funny.

 

[Zabka]

That tweet could very well be nothing but the result of anger of having giant bomb shit talk his game, but he's not wrong either way. More often than not they just seem to have this smug assholeish attitude about them. There's criticism, and than there's just being a fucking asshole deeped in cynicism. I felt pretty uncomfortable hearing them talk about Jaffe in that episode, so I can't blame him for having the reaction he did. The people saying he's salty... like come the fuck on. Get some perspective, they were straight up insulting the dude and that's not cool.

Critics in general just seem like awful cynical people, who lack the talent to create anything, so instead just shit on other people's work. Not all critics of course, and some genuinely take it seriously and try to be fair. But giant bomb has progressively turned into nothing more than a neo gaf drive by shit post as of late, that people really only go to because admittedly it's sometimes funny.

You're doing the exact same thing you're complaining about.

 

[Kusagari]

I really don't think what they said on the podcast was wrong, because honestly what Patrick said is kind of how Jaffe did come off.

But I can also understand why he's mad, since they were pretty damn blunt.

 

[Brianimaniac]

If Jeff thinks a game is bad for some specific thing it's doing, then he should absolutely speak up if he feels that way. But the problem is that he never misses an opportunity to shit on a game he's not interested in, even if it's just a genre he isn't into and he has no specific complaints about the game in question.

That shit gets old really fast, and when they're doing so much podcasting in such a small window of time, it's unbearable by the end.

We get it, you don't like kart racers. Stop taking time out to reiterate that every single time your colleagues try to talk about one. No one gives a shit. People in your audience would like to hear other people express joy about something for more than 30 consecutive seconds without having it derailed by having to defend it against your unproductive negativity. If you don't even like the genre, your input is not required.

 

[bigwinnerx]

If Jeff thinks a game is bad for some specific thing it's doing, then he should absolutely speak up if he feels that way. But the problem is that he never misses an opportunity to shit on a game he's not interested in, even if it's just a genre he isn't into and he has no specific complaints about the game in question.

That shit gets old really fast, and when they're doing so much podcasting in such a small window of time, it's unbearable by the end.

We get it, you don't like kart racers. Stop taking time out to reiterate that every single time your colleagues try to talk about one. No one gives a shit. People in your audience would like to hear other people express joy about something for more than 30 consecutive seconds without having it derailed by having to defend it against your unproductive negativity. If you don't even like the genre, your input is not required.

See, but, I appreciate his ability to troll people like you.

 

[Scrabble]

You're doing the exact same thing you're complaining about.

I'm not a critic and don't pretend to be one. If all giant bomb was doing was criticizing the game, then so fucking what, but they weren't. I'm sure Jaffe could care less that a couple of people criticized the look of his game. They were adamantly attacking him, and the people trying to extrapolate his tweet and turn it into some "he's just salty and can't take criticism" are fucking playing dumb and deluding themselves. Even if you don't agree with Jaffe, I don't and feel he shouldn't have sent the tweet, can you really not understand why the dude is pissed and has every right to be?

But whatever, perhaps giant bomb just isn't for me anymore. It has progressively turned into nothing more than shit talk and comedy bits, under the guise of criticism.

 

[Haunted]

I also almost gave up on Destiny pre lvl20. Post lvl20 is when the game felt good.

Sounds like a bad game and reminds me of the FFXIII apologists "it gets better!" ...30 hours in.

 

[OverBlood 3]

The last GOTY podcast, are there any major spoilers in it?

 

[Haunted]

Snap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsYbWus0Vbg

And people were wondering why he didn't return for another top 10 list.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Jaffe is an industry personality from 2003.

It's worth pointing out, from Giant Bomb or anyone, that he's like that guy you knew in college that is still partying all night and hitting on 19 year olds at age 30.

 

[Zabka]

I'm not a critic and don't pretend to be one. If all giant bomb was doing was criticizing the game, then so fucking what, but they weren't. I'm sure Jaffe could care less that a couple of people criticized the look of his game. They were adamantly attacking him, and the people trying to extrapolate his tweet and turn it into some "he's just salty and can't take criticism" are fucking playing dumb and deluding themselves. Even if you don't agree with Jaffe, I don't and feel he shouldn't have sent the tweet, can you really not understand why the dude is pissed and has every right to be?

They're people giving their opinion, just like you are. They just have a larger audience.

 

[Massa]

Jaffe is an industry personality from 2003.

It's worth pointing out, from Giant Bomb or anyone, that he's like that guy you knew in college that is still partying all night and hitting on 19 year olds at age 30.

Ah, so you're judging him rather than his games.

Are you auditioning for the GB position by any chance?

 

[mnz]

Well, they nailed my thoughts on Jaffe's new game. So far it looks awful, artistically and gameplay wise.
And the fact that it's an oldschool competitive shooter with only four players on a console...man I don't know how this could be good in any way. But I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Haunted]

They're people giving their opinion, just like you are. They just have a larger audience.

Hmm, no actually.

I'd like to think that we could expect them to hold themselves to a higher standard than random internet schmuck #472 or amateur YT personalities.

And I think they do.

 

[erawsd]

I'm not a critic and don't pretend to be one. If all giant bomb was doing was criticizing the game, then so fucking what, but they weren't. I'm sure Jaffe could care less that a couple of people criticized the look of his game. They were adamantly attacking him, and the people trying to extrapolate his tweet and turn it into some "he's just salty and can't take criticism" are fucking playing dumb and deluding themselves. Even if you don't agree with Jaffe, I don't and feel he shouldn't have sent the tweet, can you really not understand why the dude is pissed and has every right to be?

Except that the tweet doesn't admonish GB for a personal attack. He directly suggests that people shouldn't critique his game when they havent played it and he links a clip from a movie where a chef is yelling at a food critic for shitting on something worked hard on.

I agree that Patrick's comment about him being an old guy trying to be cool was too personal. However, all the hate directed at how the game looked is 100% fair and valid. If Jaffe can't accept negative criticism of his game before its released then he has no business showing it off.

 

[Corgi]

what does Jaffe complaining on twitter have to do with GOTY thread? Move that to the community thread.

 

[bigwinnerx]

what does Jaffe complaining on twitter have to do with GOTY thread? Move that to the community thread.

People can't read.

 

[Zabka]

Hmm, no actually.

I'd like to think that we could expect them to hold themselves to a higher standard than random internet schmuck #472 or amateur YT personalities.

And I think they do.

I'm not saying they do or don't have standards. I'm saying that if you're going to criticize someone for being cynical and insulting you shouldn't be a hypocrite about it.

 

[Thatoneguy64]

Snap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsYbWus0Vbg

I'm not sure Jaffe quite understand the scene he's linking. Now, I lack the full context of the movie Chef, but what I'm seeing is a scene where a man gets unnecessarily enraged at a critic, makes a gigantic scene while a crowd looks on in astonishment and friends/family fail in attempting to stop him. This outburst is filmed, seen online and (presumably) ruins his image. At no point does the scene take the side of the Chef. If anything, it's made clear that the viewer is supposed to feel sorry, or embarrassed, for the character's emotional instability in that moment.

The scene doesn't really break down the position of critic the way I think Jaffe thought it did. It more just shows a sad, emotional outburst from a broken man. Not sure it makes the point Jaffe wanted. I mean, unless he wanted to come across like Jon Favreau's character. I'd sincerely hope he wouldn't.

 

[mnz]

He wants them to see how much creators personally care about what critics say and how much it can hurt, especially if they're wrong. Pretty sure that's why he chose that video.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Ah, so you're judging him rather than his games.

Are you auditioning for the GB position by any chance?

My comment had almost nothing to do with his games, actually. I was going by his interviews, stage presentations, youtube videos, and, well, twitter meltdowns.

 

[Scrabble]

Except that the tweet doesn't admonish GB for a personal attack. He directly suggests that people shouldn't critique his game when they havent played it and he links a clip from a movie where a chef is yelling at a food critic for shitting on something worked hard on.

I agree that Patrick's comment about him being an old guy trying to be cool was too personal. However, all the hate directed at how the game looked is 100% fair and valid. If Jaffe can't accept negative criticism of his game before its released then he has no business showing it off.

But how could you just ignore the personal attack is so clearly the cause of the tweet, and not the actual criticism? Again, if it was just "I don't like the look of this game for 'x' reasons", then you honestly believe Jaffe would have made that tweet? I just don't think anyone believes that. Yes, he doesn't outright say "I'm mad at giantbomb for attacking me", but come on man, you know that's what caused the tweet. If you watched the video he linked to, half of it is about the chef calling out the food critic for making ad hominem's about him being needy and other accusations about his character. So how can anyone say jaffe's tweet is nothing more than "oh he can't take criticism, so salty" or what other internet bullshit phrases people spew. It's so obviously not just about "he can't take negative criticism about his game."

I'm not saying they do or don't have standards. I'm saying that if you're going to criticize someone for being cynical and insulting you shouldn't be a hypocrite about it.

You're making a moot point. So I shouldn't criticize someone for being a cynical insulting asshole, because in doing so I'm being an insulting asshole? Okay...sure. I'm a hypocrite.

 

[chaobreaker]

To be fair, Patrick kind of crossed the line in my opinion. He got really personal for no reason.

Remind me what he said?

Edit: Never mind should have refreshed.

 

[Alo81]

Remind me what he said?

Jaffe seems like the old guy still trying to be cool. Immediately after people said they don't think the way Jaffe acts is faked and that it's all genuine and Patrick ended up saying "Yeah, you're right."

It was a really shitty thing to say especially since it does't seem like an act by Jaffe at all. It went from criticism of a game to criticism of a person which was pretty uncool.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Jaffe seems like the old guy still trying to be cool. Immediately after people said they don't think the way Jaffe acts is faked and that it's all genuine and Patrick ended up saying "Yeah, you're right."

It was a really shitty thing to say especially since it does't seem like an act by Jaffe at all. It went from criticism of a game to criticism of a person which was pretty uncool.

Alot of Patricks comments seem personal. Like GZ's ending being 'Gross' when it was chock full of symbolism. He's free to criticize how it ended, but 'gross' isn't criticism. I will never forgive him for that.

 

[squadr0n]

Sorry im alil late to this Jaffe nonsense, Which podcast did the Giant Bomb guys make the comments that set him off?

Pretty sure I listened to all the GOTY podcasts this year and dont remember them mentioning David Jaffee at all. Did he even have a game out this year lol

 

[tchocky]

Sorry im alil late to this Jaffe nonsense, Which podcast did the Giant Bomb guys make the comments that set him off?

Pretty sure it's this one http://www.giantbomb.com/podcasts/giant-bombcast-12-09-2014/1600-1087/

 

[Ingueferroque]

I have never enjoyed playing Smasn Bros. What else is it than a bad game?

Wait, what?

Because you have never enjoyed playing Smash Bros, it is somehow incapable of being anything but a bad game?

Is this elementary school?

Well, they nailed my thoughts on Jaffe's new game. So far it looks awful, artistically and gameplay wise.

oh god

Oh cool, I do have both of those. Are they coming to vita at any time though?

Nidhogg is on Vita, it also happens to be the best place to play it by far.

 

[ArjanN]

What exactly is the criteria then? What if Jeff doesn't just think "Smash Bros is not for me" but rather thinks it's not a good game? I share that opinion. I have never enjoyed playing Smasn Bros. What else is it than a bad game?

You guys get way too hung up on having your opinions validated. Same thing when people complain about review scores.

That's kinda simplistic dude. Everything is both the worst and the greatest thing to someone, so just saying you think something is bad (or good for that matter) means nothing.

With the exception of Destiny Jeff' didn't really back up any of his negative opinions at all, except with the same old gag where he facetiously states a negative opinion as fact, which is getting pretty old.

 

[squadr0n]

Pretty sure it's this one http://www.giantbomb.com/podcasts/giant-bombcast-12-09-2014/1600-1087/

Thanks, my bad, i thought it was one of the GOTY casts. I remember them talking about Drawn to Death after seeing it at that Playstation event. I cant see how he can still get all bent out of shape over something like this after being in the industry as long as he has.

Im sorry but Drawn to Death looks horrible imho. At least something I personally would never buy. Jaffee had to know that this game was going to appeal to a certain crowd and its not for everyone. We obviously wont know anything till we play it, which is what hes crying about, but ive seen enough to know im not buying it.

 

[Ingueferroque]

Thanks, my bad, i thought it was one of the GOTY casts. I remember them talking about Drawn to Death after seeing it at that Playstation event. I cant see how he can still get all bent out of shape over something like this after being in the industry as long as he has.

Im sorry but Drawn to Death looks horrible imho. At least something I personally would never buy. Jaffee had to know that this game was going to appeal to a certain crowd and its not for everyone. We obviously wont know anything till we play it, which is what hes crying about, but ive seen enough to know im not buying it.

They attacked Jaffe on a personal level. It was a shitty podcast, where they were also confused as to why anyone could have any desire to play a Metal Gear Solid Online game.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Wait, what?

Because you have never enjoyed playing Smash Bros, it is somehow incapable of being anything but a bad game?

Is this elementary school?

What other criteria would be used? I don't think the games are fun. I've never enjoyed playing them. What else is it? People seem to have this idea that "bad game" means its a game that is broken, or that buggy, or that the developers didn't work hard on. Whenever Jeff describes something as "that's a bad game" its clear he is saying it's a game he doesn't personally like.