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[RowdyReverb]

As much as I like playing with BRs, I think I prefer AR starts in H5, which is a first for me in the Halo series. As long as there are plentiful precision weapons for pick up on map, it's fine with me. I have noticed that my weapon choices and resulting strategies were more varied in the first week than now, and I found that constant adaptation to what was on hand to be fun. BR starts mean that I pretty much play the same way all the time (keep opponents at mid-range and always be ready to duck into cover if I'm losing a BR battle).

I think that BR starts have their place in higher-level slayer playlists or larger maps, but from what I've played in the beta so far, it doesn't seem strictly like an improvement. My two cents.

 

[Welfare]

By the way, after that one survey that got posted here earlier, I decided to make my own.

Halo 5: Guardians Arena Beta Survey

It doesn't cover absolutely everything, but there should be enough preferential options that not a whole lot of people's viewpoints are left out.

Very good survey. Just got done with it.

 

[User 73706]

What do I pick for H5 control scheme if I'm using "Halo 4"?

EDIT: Also, i think SFX are fine, but shield recharge should go back to the iconic hum

Sorry about that, I wasn't aware it was in H5G. Added Halo 4 to controls, and Bronze under ranks. I wasn't even aware the ranks went below iron. RIP jem

 

[jem0208]

Sorry about that, I wasn't aware it was in H5G. Added Halo 4 to controls, and Bronze under ranks. I wasn't even aware the ranks went below iron. RIP jem

:'(

Survey is ruined.


I think the order is Iron then Bronze then Silver etc. by the way.

 

[dwells]

Thrusters have a 100% approval rating.

Don't worry, I fixed that. I think they've got potential, but they need some nerfing. Way too much of people thrusting out of a 1v1 as soon as they lose shields.

:'(

Survey is ruined.


I think the order is Iron then Bronze then Silver etc. by the way.

From highest to lowest:

• Pro
• Semi-Pro
• Onyx
• Gold
• Silver
• Bronze
• Iron
• Frankie

 

[Blue Ninja]

Goddamn, Halo 1 on Legendary is fucking unforgiving. I'm on Truth and Reconciliation and the lack of precision weapons is fucking me up.

 

[User 73706]

Don't worry, I fixed that. I think they've got potential, but they need some nerfing. Way too much of people thrusting out of a 1v1 as soon as they lose shields.

RIP

 

[Sephzilla]

Goddamn, Halo 1 on Legendary is fucking unforgiving. I'm on Truth and Reconciliation and the lack of precision weapons is fucking me up.

 

[Defect]

Don't worry, I fixed that. I think they've got potential, but they need some nerfing. Way too much of people thrusting out of a 1v1 as soon as they lose shields.

Yep, it is pretty annoying. I love thrusters for avoiding grenades and traversing the map but they are frequently used as a get out of jail free card. I think they are worse than sprint in that regard. Definitely needs a nerf.

 

[Biggest-Geek-Ever]

By the way, after that one survey that got posted here earlier, I decided to make my own.

Halo 5: Guardians Arena Beta Survey

It doesn't cover absolutely everything, but there should be enough preferential options that not a whole lot of people's viewpoints are left out.

Been lurking on HaloGAF quite a while (I may come out of my shell a bit now with the beta and the lead up to launch), but I just want to say thanks for the great survey. It's helped me coalesce my thoughts on the beta, which I'm having a lot of fun with.

 

[Blue Ninja]

I ran out of ammo about two thirds of the way through and decided to grab a Needler instead. That and the Plasma Pistol are carrying me through right now. :lol

Keyes is gonna die so many times, though. I can already feel it.

EDIT: I just found a glitch that should end the level early. Let's give that a shot.

 

[User 73706]

I ran out of ammo about two thirds of the way through and decided to grab a Needler instead. That and the Plasma Pistol are carrying me through right now. :lol

Keyes is gonna die so many times, though. I can already feel it.

EDIT: I just found a glitch that should end the level early. Let's give that a shot.

I was trying to do the actual speedrun method (trick covenant AI into opening the right door in the Wraith Room early, then use overshield to triple-nade-jump onto Level 2, nade jump onto Spirit, nade jump onto Level 3 and go to Keyes) while my boyfriend was over this weekend and he was giving me so much shit. Started out as "wtf are you doing," and after the explanation it ended with "why are you doing all this for achievements?" :lol

 

[Haruko]

I wonder if we might see the SPNKr return as a Legendary rocket launcher. What would it be called? What would it offer over the new generic looking one?

Vehicle lock-ons? 1 hit kill melee for when it's empty and you need to actually spank someone?

 

[Blue Ninja]

Ugh, having Keyes hostile doesn't trigger the ending cutscene. I'm so boned. There's no way in hell I can kill those sword elites and keep that lazy fucker alive during the onslaught of Covenant that comes after.

 

[Regret Upon Approval]

I wonder if we might see the SPNKr return as a Legendary rocket launcher. What would it be called? What would it offer over the new generic looking one?

Vehicle lock-ons? 1 hit kill melee for when it's empty and you need to actually spank someone?

Is not looking like crap not enough?

 

[rrc1594]

I'm all for AR starts if the Pistol is like CE. MCC showed me the light Pistol is GOD

 

[Sikamikanico]

So take it not many people are interested in a HaloGAF Beta Montage then?

Bummer!

 

[Blue Ninja]

Holy shit, I did it. Apparently Keyes starts attacking you in the final room if he's hostile, that surprised me. I had frags flying around my ears. :lol

So take it not many people are interested in a HaloGAF Beta Montage then?

Bummer!

Sure, that'd be cool! I've got a few clips for you.

 

[tootsi666]

So take it not many people are interested in a HaloGAF Beta Montage then?

Bummer!

I'll send you clips if I get good clips.

 

[HTupolev]

Flat, untextured, grey models?

While cool and I can see why, I hope there's more, or we can at least change the colors.

In the video, it looked like there was some serious color going on in places.

 

[User 73706]

Holy shit, I did it. Apparently Keyes starts attacking you in the final room if he's hostile, that surprised me. I had frags flying around my ears. :lol



Sure, that'd be cool! I've got a few clips for you.

Wait, how does this exploit work, exactly?

 

[CloudyTuba]

Four halo games has taught us otherwise.

If we get AR starts in Halo 5 there's no fucking hope. Waypoint idiots will have ruined what could be a fun kinda haloish game.

BR Starts across the board

Yeah fuck Halo 1, right?

Spoiler

H1 is my favorite.

Why don't we just remove every other weapon in Halo because that's what BR starts tend to do. Loving the H5 sandbox with AR/pistol starts.

 

[FUNKNOWN iXi]

I've been watching streams of players ranging from pro to not-so-pro and all they've been using is the BR too. Boring to watch, boring to play.

I'm interested to see how much the BR is used over the other weapons between each week.


EDIT:

Four halo games has taught us otherwise.

If we get AR starts in Halo 5 there's no fucking hope. Waypoint idiots will have ruined what could be a fun kinda haloish game.

BR Starts across the board

"Waypoint idiots" are better than "BR idiots" who started with Halo 2 or Halo 3 and think those games are ideal for Halo's design going forward.

See how that works? Less insulting, more using your words.

 

[antigoon]

Four halo games has taught us otherwise.

If we get AR starts in Halo 5 there's no fucking hope. Waypoint idiots will have ruined what could be a fun kinda haloish game.

BR Starts across the board

First of all, calm down. Second, Halo CE is the only game in the series where the Pistol is worth a damn, so no, Four games haven't taught us anything. If 343 makes some tweaks to improve the Pistol in Halo 5, we won't need to "fix" the game via BR starts.

 

[Dylan Sexbang]

By the way, after that one survey that got posted here earlier, I decided to make my own.

Halo 5: Guardians Arena Beta Survey

It doesn't cover absolutely everything, but there should be enough preferential options that not a whole lot of people's viewpoints are left out.

I wasn't sure what choice concerned the death music, because that was the only part that bugged of the music that bugged me.

And there was no option for none of the abilities to be removed so I went for the last used option of slide.

 

[The Henery]

I've been watching streams of players ranging from pro to not-so-pro and all they've been using is the BR too. Boring to watch, boring to play.

I'm interested to see how much the BR is used over the other weapons between each week.


EDIT:
"Waypoint idiots" are better than "BR idiots" who started with Halo 2 or Halo 3 and think those games are ideal for Halo's design going forward.

See how that works? Less insulting, more using your words.

But you love CE? Here's a proposition. Imagine the 4v4 CE list in MCC being AR start only. Hang Em High, with, say, four Pistol's on the map. How do you think that would play out? As CE is, all anyone uses in that is the pistol too.

 

[User 73706]

I wasn't sure what choice concerned the death music, because that was the only part that bugged of the music that bugged me.

And there was no option for none of the abilities to be removed so I went for the last used option of slide.

Sorry, I didn't realize that you couldn't just leave it unchecked.

Bonus fun fact(s):

The two Sprint opinions "keep it in" and "remove sprint, up base player speed to sprint levels" are neck and neck. Likewise, crouch jumping is slightly edging out Spartan Abilities, but more players would rather keep a Spartan Ability mapped to thumbstick than crouch. (just barely, though)

For whatever reason, Truth is also the undisputed favorite map in both questions. Gotta love rose-tinted classes.

4 players also want no progression-based unlocks whatsoever. No gameplay modifiers, no cosemtics, nothing. Only the void.

 

[jem0208]

Sorry, I didn't realize that you couldn't just leave it unchecked.

Bonus fun fact(s):

The two Sprint opinions "keep it in" and "remove sprint, up base player speed to sprint levels" are neck and neck. Likewise, crouch jumping is slightly edging out Spartan Abilities, but more players would rather keep a Spartan Ability mapped to thumbstick than crouch. (just barely, though)

For whatever reason, Truth is also the undisputed favorite map in both questions. Gotta love rose-tinted classes.

Empire is the best.


Those sneaky routes are great for flanking.

 

[tootsi666]

Empire is the best.


Those sneaky routes are great for flanking.

It's a horrible AR/SMG spam clusterfuck with maybe some Sniper duels once or twice a match.

 

[antigoon]

As CE is, all anyone uses in that is the pistol too.

This really isn't true at all. CE was the first and last time the Plasma Rifle and Assault Rifle were worth a damn.

 

[ffejeromdiks]

Man you guys are crazy, BR starts are fucking awful. What's the point of any other weapon when you start with it? It just ruins the flow of a typical halo match, "sniper rifle in 10 seconds" who gives a fuck when you can outsnipe the guy with the sniper rifle with your default weapon?

So fucking boring.

 

[tootsi666]

Man you guys are crazy, BR starts are fucking awful. What's the point of any other weapon when you start with it? It just ruins the flow of a typical halo match, "sniper rifle in 10 seconds" who gives a fuck when you can outsnipe the guy with the sniper rifle with your default weapon?

So fucking boring.

BR starts flow is the flow of a typical Halo match. And if you can outsnipe a Sniper Rifle with a BR then that Sniper isn't very good.

And how are skilled precision weapon duels boring?

 

[Sikamikanico]

Okay, so I'm going to give this a go.

If you want in, either post your clips here for my attention (I lurk and read every post, every day, because I'm very sad like that) or perhaps more sensibly, PM me.

Format of your post/PM:

Please include your Gamertag

Clip description (Example: Double kill noscope) and then the link (use Xboxclips.com is probably the easiest way)

If you have what I would describe as a blooper clip (i.e something funny rather than skilled gameplay) send them too - if there's enough, I'll do a two part montage.

I'll collect clips from everyone right up until the end of the beta, then get straight to work.



Also, feel free to suggest a good name for the thing.

 

[FUNKNOWN iXi]

But you love CE? Here's a proposition. Imagine the 4v4 CE list in MCC being AR start only. Hang Em High, with, say, four Pistol's on the map.

Have you not seen me post that the Magnum needs a buff to its RRR and its shots to kill to be lowered by 1 or 2?

As CE is, all anyone uses in that is the pistol too.

lol.


And for those complaining about BR starts, you should talk about your proposed changes to AR/Magnum starts then. As they were last week, AR/Magnum starts are not the way to go unless the Magnum receives a buff. If the Magnum receives that buff, then BR starts don't have to be a thing anymore.

 

[Blue Ninja]

Wait, how does this exploit work, exactly?

Killing the Marines that are with Keyes should turn him hostile. Doing it at just the right time will result in the mission ending when you kill the sword elites in the bridge.

 

[DeadNames]

Posted?

What about the Forge tools? How can we expect them to improve over previous incarnations? “We have made a number of improvements to usability as well as providing multiple palettes, terrain sheets, and lighting set-ups for Forgers to build with,” he answered.

From the IGN thing. New Rocket launcher is ass.

 

[Zeouterlimits]

After switching to Recon (thanks Hyper!), I'm coming round on the beta.
Some general thoughts:

• Spawns are sometimes a bit iffy
• I need recon & bumper jumper to have a baby, there is too much functionality on the face buttons with recon
• I rarely, if ever use the offensive charge, ground pound or stabilisers. Even sprint, especially being on A, is something I rarely initiate
• I find Eden confusing, almost a few too many routes, might feel better with age?
• Killcams need to be optional
• 'The' Halo respawn sound effect seems to be played when using certain menus, no thanks
• Apparently the death music can be turned off, I should do this

Sad thing is, without my old Halo crew [</3] I wonder how much I'll play when September / November comes around

 

[User 73706]

I wonder if getting back the classic Rocket Launcher is as simple as it just being an available weapon skin for the new "Javelin" design.

 

[CreateNowSleepLater]

Empire is the best.


Those sneaky routes are great for flanking.

That map sucks. Its' a nade pinball machine.

 

[DeadNames]

I wonder if getting back the classic Rocket Launcher is as simple as it just being an available weapon skin for the new "Javelin" design.

Maybe. Hopefully they change it, but the classic RL design can't work with smart scope so....

 

[FUNKNOWN iXi]

I wonder if getting back the classic Rocket Launcher is as simple as it just being an available weapon skin for the new "Javelin" design.

I hope so. Weapon skins are a great idea.

Maybe. Hopefully they change it, but the classic RL design can't work with smart scope so....

Yes it can. They'd just have to be creative like what they did with the AR.

 

[User 73706]

Maybe. Hopefully they change it, but the classic RL design can't work with smart scope so....

hold it sideways, duh

 

[DeadNames]

IYes it can. They'd just have to be creative like what they did with the AR.

But would they?

 

[Regret Upon Approval]

Tweeted at some 343i peeps

http://strawpoll.me/3339312
http://strawpoll.me/3339316

Like got a hundred votes now.

 

[The Henery]

lol

Lol indeed. You just said all anyone uses in H5 BR starts is a BR as if nobody picks up the Snipe, the Hydra, the Sword, the DMR, the SMG... In AR starts, I'm swapping my pistol for a BR, in BR starts, I'm swapping my pistol for an AR or SMG so it boils down to what you find more interesting gunplay wise: AR duels or BR duels. I know you want the pistol to be a contender again but it aint gonna happen in terms of a truly utilitarian starting weapon. It's gonna be either the AR or the BR. Are you really gonna stand on the automatic weapon side of the fence?

Have you not seen me post that the Magnum needs a buff to its RRR and its shots to kill to be lowered by 1 or 2?

It also needs its ROF reduced slightly and a complete redesign of its scope. The ADS zoom on the pistol is gauche and awkward. Rubs more uncomfortably against the established Halo aesthetic than any of the other zoom redesigns with the possible exception of the DMR scope (which looks like something ripped out of Medal of Honour). Stick the H4 scope on the pistol.

This really isn't true at all. CE was the first and last time the Plasma Rifle and Assault Rifle were worth a damn.

In a vacuum, sure the plasma rifle is better than the subsequent incarnations but in relative terms to the utility weapon, it's probably less worth it than in H2 or 3 because the stun doesn't justify simply not going for the quick pistol kill. The AR is a wet turd thrower and anyone who opts for it over the pistol will get skinned by a semi competent pistol user. See my post yesterday. Watch the pro's; they keep the pistol and swap the AR out for rockets, snipe or shotgun... same as every subsequent Halo with the BR in the pistols place.

 

[belushy]

While I'm happy that the palette seems cleaner, with less "noise" and differences between the pieces, it still looks like the pieces are bland color wise. I noticed some pieces had Red team color on them, but it was still pretty much the same as just putting a small red band on a 5x5 piece that we've seen since Reach. They really need to add more color options for forge.

Pegasus all the way, btw. Orion looks like a poop layout to me.

 

[jem0208]

Okay, so I'm going to give this a go.

If you want in, either post your clips here for my attention (I lurk and read every post, every day, because I'm very sad like that) or perhaps more sensibly, PM me.

Format of your post/PM:

Please include your Gamertag

Clip description (Example: Double kill noscope) and then the link (use Xboxclips.com is probably the easiest way)

If you have what I would describe as a blooper clip (i.e something funny rather than skilled gameplay) send them too - if there's enough, I'll do a two part montage.

I'll collect clips from everyone right up until the end of the beta, then get straight to work.



Also, feel free to suggest a good name for the thing.

PMed

 

[Madness]

I have some good clips Sik, I'll try and edit a few in upload studio I think, and then maybe PM you later.

 

[Blue Ninja]

Okay, so I'm going to give this a go.

If you want in, either post your clips here for my attention (I lurk and read every post, every day, because I'm very sad like that) or perhaps more sensibly, PM me.

Format of your post/PM:

Please include your Gamertag

Clip description (Example: Double kill noscope) and then the link (use Xboxclips.com is probably the easiest way)

If you have what I would describe as a blooper clip (i.e something funny rather than skilled gameplay) send them too - if there's enough, I'll do a two part montage.

I'll collect clips from everyone right up until the end of the beta, then get straight to work.



Also, feel free to suggest a good name for the thing.

I'll send you some stuff tomorrow!

 

[VinFTW]

Even though I love you guys, I laugh at any ce fan who's against br starts