Neuromancer
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Would you go so far as to say you're an expert?
DRIVECLUB New Track Preview: Nakasendo, Japan
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Made some GIFs because it has been a while
Looking great.
Any more patches coming?
Any more graphics/AA improvements?
VicDaMoan03
Member
Holy shit you've played CONTRAST and 38% it!!! Sorry that I've doubted you.!! But I'll not send you shit lolThere's a lot of concerned guys, you are not one of them. Sorry.
I altually liked Contrast. Hope to complete it someday.
family_guy
Member
It's funny how the AI seems so courteous when they drive, but are complete jerks when I drive.
Platinum_D
Member
Amazing this looks so good
No, I would go as far as to say anyone claiming to be an expert is likely to be full of...
このDLCはあまりおもしろくないとおもいます
FlutterPuffs
Member
Really? It definitely has a Japan feel for me.
I really would like a town or city track too though.
I just got home and rewatched it in 720p on Youtube and the track has some very Japanese-esque road details. I have not seen waffle walls like that anywhere else.
Real life example
Another
You can see some of that detail in the preview at 0:41
I dunno, seems pretty much dead on to me.
Real life example
Another
You can see some of that detail in the preview at 0:41
I dunno, seems pretty much dead on to me.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
That is exactly what it is.
Its the simplest thing to add and they won't give it to us
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I mean, how have they added weather and a photo mode, but NOT this?
Its way easer to incorporate than those two things are.
Japan looks like a cool location, but I hate the idea of starting a race in a tunnel as the drivers would just be sucking down all the car exhausted carbon monoxide potentially leading to inadvertent driver deaths if the race was stalled for too long and the tunnel had insufficient air flow.
So take an American highway, add some Japanese details and you have a Japanese track? No.
This is the Japan I know:
One thing Japanese roads are generally not is wide. DC listened to 'fans' and ditched the Japan location in favor of a wide location, listening to fans is the absolute worst thing any dev can do.
What is your point? If that's your stance, then the whole game is generic. Yes, in my opinion, if you incorporate landscape and architectural features onto a fictional track that exist in the area that you are trying to recreate - then yes - I feel like it does a pretty good job? Doesn't look anything like an American highway to me.
boredandlazy
Member
Maybe all the tracks in the game are actually Japanese, but with Canadian and Indian scenery etc.?
HideyoshiJP
Member
Those shoulders are pretty damn wide and plentiful for Japan. :| Admittedly, I only drove a few mountain roads around Osaka, but there seem to be a lot more shoulder sections than I remember seeing, and I do remember seeing some.
Edit: Some sections do kind of remind me of the Tsubaki line near the Toyo Tires Turnpike in Kanagawa Prefecture, but with more shoulder.
Edit: Some sections do kind of remind me of the Tsubaki line near the Toyo Tires Turnpike in Kanagawa Prefecture, but with more shoulder.
Ok, have you ever stopped to consider that "the Japan that you know" may be a overly specific, tiny slice of Japan though?
If I remember correctly this was taken fairly close to where this track is supposedly inspired by.
http://i2.minus.com/iBUGCCWiLinvI.JPG
It's not all urban areas.
Yeah, they already said they widened the roads a bit for gameplay. Lane-wise though, it's not like a 4 lane toll road is unheard of.
FlutterPuffs
Member
Yeah, the roads are really wide for Japan roads, which is weird, but apparently it was a design choice.
I don't get why people say it isn't 'Japanese' though. The bridges, tunnels, foliages, all look like it has the aesthetic to me.
Best part? Track is giving me Ridge Racer vibes. Can we have a new RR4-ish OST and a track near an airport runaway please?
I don't get why people say it isn't 'Japanese' though. The bridges, tunnels, foliages, all look like it has the aesthetic to me.
Best part? Track is giving me Ridge Racer vibes. Can we have a new RR4-ish OST and a track near an airport runaway please?
They admitted on twitter they made it wide at the request of people who don't play the game enough to be able to keep the can on a normal width track.
https://twitter.com/PhenomEvolution/status/555461611696431104@Makikozu72 Wider tracks has been a popular request, so we've taken it on board for this track + others coming in Japan
I wonder how many casual fb/twitter users complained about the tracks being too tight. Those tight narrow sections were the best parts about the other point to point tracks. Not a fan of this move.
Especially for Japan which is known for tight roads with very little run offs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkuIYe1CQoQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn0Ac-bu39E
I mainly lived in kanto but did take a trans Japan road trip. If you want to claim overly specific then the wide bits are overly specific. MOST of Japan is full of narrow roads. Sure you can find somewhere in Japan with huge roads, but you'd have to search and be specific. Actually Yokohama struck me as having wide roads for Japan.. Anyway the point is Japan in general does not look anything like the track we have seen.
And the picture you posted back up that point. Nowhere near as wide as in the released video.
Based on the video, it looks like the area they are basing the track off is Nikko / Konsei Pass. Evo have already done a tonne of research and photography of the locations included in the game, I doubt it's any different for Japan.
Some example shots here.
Compared to the gameplay video.
FlutterPuffs
Member
If you take a while to read, EVERYONE agrees that the thread is wider than the roads in japan.
We are however, talking about the aesthetics. Go on, look at all the posts above.
So your gripe is that the road is too wide? Ok. The road is too wide. Let's move on. It looks like Japan regardless of the width of the road.
^this
Time waiting for a sale is time you could spend playing it. Or posting about it on a forum that you're waiting for it to go on sale.
Zeuanimals
Member
Doesn't look very American to me. Seems more like a conscious effort to make roads wider as per fan request.
@Makikozu72 Wider tracks has been a popular request, so we've taken it on board for this track + others coming in Japan
https://twitter.com/PhenomEvolution/status/555461611696431104
Wouldn't mind wider roads to mix things up, but not on Japanese tracks, it kills the tension of the downhill/hill-climb when you've got a road that can fit a solid 3-4 lanes. You've got way too much legroom to work with, though that can be said of any tracks with wide roads.
The game's already very accessible, you can't drive completely off-road and there's invisible walls at the edge of every track, crazy crashes don't leave your car immobile, etc. But I do agree that they shouldn't strive for it to be more accessible, or I suppose "easy" is the better word since something can be accessible and still incredibly hard.
deadstar72
Neo Member
As much as I would love that as Driveclub is such a great game that deserves such numbers, I thought all signs pointed to the game selling quite poorly?
I wonder how many casual fb/twitter users complained about the tracks being too tight. Those tight narrow sections were the best parts about the other point to point tracks. Not a fan of this move.
Especially for Japan which is known for tight roads with very little run offs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkuIYe1CQoQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn0Ac-bu39E
I agree, I fear that Evolution may be pandering to some outspoken gamers perhaps a bit too much at present. Lowering AI aggressiveness, widening future tracks etc. I was looking forward to precarious narrow windy mountainous Japanese roads, and whilst they are still here to some degree, and whilst this track still looks insanely fun, they've also opened things up in areas. Hopefully they still release other tracks that are more narrow and windy, especially from Japan. Don't mind a few wider tracks though. Variety is the spice of life.
I think some of the complaints for the narrower tracks were partly to do with the ultra sticky walls and barriers etc. If they've already rectified or will be rectifying that to some extent, narrower tracks become more viable anyway.
Or complaining about the lack of a PS+ version.
But the width is crucial. It has an obvious gameplay impact, but more than that, when you are doing a location you want to capture the soul of the place. Japan is all about being compact and it is reflected in everything. When you first move to Japan from a western country you have to relearn simple things like walking up stairs because Japan has ladder like steep stairs to save space. They have tiny trucks and tiny tractors. Making Japan seem like it is some vast expanse is just wrong. And remember this is a driving game, the nature of the road is everything about capturing a location. We are DRIVING in Japan, not taking location photos. You won't get the experience of driving Japan with these wide roads.
But this is only one track. There is hope that they have not totally sold out.
And BTW, width is aesthetics.
m_shortpants
Member
It screams touge
Strange thing is there was already a good mix of wide and narrow roads on the current tracks. I don't see the point or fun in making everything wide just to cater to people who can't or refuse to learn to drive in the game.
Bandipur, Salar De Surire, Oliver's Landing, Lytton, Kyle, Cayoosh, Nilgiri Hills are all amazing tracks with tight narrow sections. The sense of gratification and accomplishment in speeding through them without hitting walls and getting fast times is nirvana.
You are entitled to your opinion. I just happen to have a totally different one than you.
The only stairs in Japan I ever had a problem with were the ones in Matsumoto Castle because they were purposefully designed to be awkward as a defense mechanism, and I'm like 2 feet taller than the people who made them. Most staircases in Japan, I never noticed being particularly different.
Edit: Also, this is Driveclub, damn right I'm taking location photos.
Agreed. Or just mix it up to have a healthy portion of tight and narrow, as well as wide, like in most of the P2P tracks they've already included or introduced. As I said, the sticky barrier thing being reduced helps as it is.
As much as I disagree with Nasanu about this track lacking the aesthetic properties of a Japanese track, I do agree that there is a somewhat lack of narrowness in certain sectors. Most of the windy mountain hairpin sections are essentially three lane including the added safety grid edge, instead of being two lane with the grid. A little bit disappointing. Was sort of expecting an Initial D, break neck, edge of your seat millimetre precision, real Dark Souls of racing type Japan downhill mountain track. But maybe I'll change my tune once I play it. Hmm…
Real life examples.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkoqVrzYs9k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ6RSgjKTGY
Zeuanimals
Member
I suppose this is a good enough reason to make "everything" wider. It probably won't increase sales, but they probably don't want to isolate the people who don't want to get better at the game. They're probably gonna go for a jack of all trades sort of deal that's popular to do nowadays and make 2 or 3 out of every 5 tracks "accessible", or have every new track be made with more of a focus on being "accessible" with slightly more wide sectors than narrow ones.
But did you live there or just go to tourist places designed for tourists?.. In one of my houses I could reach out and touch the top stairs while I was climbing the lower ones they were so steep. Almost the same with shops on the higher levels of buildings in the back alleys of akiba, the stairs were almost ladders. But getting well off topic..
Anyone actually know when this drops?
Half my family lives there. I've spent a significant amount of time there. I've honestly never noticed anything weird about the stairs anywhere but the castle. And I've spent plenty of time in the back alleys of Akiba. Maybe you are just really sensitive to stairs? Or I'm not.
Here's the stairs in the castle I'm talking about. This is not normal for Japan.
Ardenyal
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DirgeExtinction
Member
Where's that from?Wah, the width of the roads is horrible! How could they do this?!?
This is completely fine and gets a pass, however:
For some reason, I thought it sold better than FH2.
As awesome and fun as this new track looks, I think for those seeking that edge of your seat, make you sweat, Initial D esque, tight and precarious windy down hill mountain track, only from a modern day racer with all the added graphical bells and whistles, will likely still find more commonality in Forza 3/4's Fujimi Kaido track, unless I'm mistaken and they're roughly the same in that regard. That said, we may change our tunes once we try a Hyper car on this track.
Fujimi Kaido.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjVzmoXNxqo
Fujimi Kaido.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjVzmoXNxqo
Fujimi Kaido, Forza 4.
I don't think Sony will ever release actual sales numbers of DriveClub...
he who dwells
Member
Looks amazing.
PS plus edition ( whenever it comes out ) is still lacking some content or is it the full game now after that terrible launch ?
PS plus edition ( whenever it comes out ) is still lacking some content or is it the full game now after that terrible launch ?
Last I heard it was still just India and a handful of cars.