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[TheSlySoul]

Didn't it come as part of the overall package?

It came with the dock, but the dock doesn't charge your console.

 

[Vena]

It came with the dock, but the dock doesn't charge your console.

Ahh then I have misread, I thought the dock was also built in with a charger. What's the point of a charging dock without a charger? They may as well have just slapped it onto the price of the package, this feels like really stupid oversight.

Well that's a silly package, especially since UKStore packages it in with any purchase.

 

[axisofweevils]

Didn't it come as part of the overall package?

No.. It came with a dock, but that still required the charger which wasn't supplied. (In Europe, this has been standard procedure since the original 3DS XL so it didn't bother me.)

 

[Vena]

No.. It came with a dock, but that still required the charger which wasn't supplied. (In Europe, this has been standard procedure since the original 3DS XL so it didn't bother me.)

Bizarre. What use does a charging dock have without a charger?

I suppose in this case you're presumed to already own a 3DS since it came through CN.

 

[Soup Bar]

People will miss that little label on the box. From my experience working retail, most people don't even read any signs or notices you may post.

 

[Funyarinpa]

I hope I'm not the only person thinking that posting a warning on the box does not justify omitting the charger at all.

 

[Vena]

I hope I'm not the only person thinking that posting a warning on the box does not justify omitting the charger at all.

No one thinks it justifies it.

 

[Derpyduck]

I hope I'm not the only person thinking that posting a warning on the box does not justify omitting the charger at all.

Especially with so many people ordering online. Who reads the damn box?

 

[Night Angel]

The uproar is really weird considering you would imagine the vast majority of people following internet news on a new Nintendo handheld and intend to buy it already own a 3DS. If you spent all these years without owning a 3DS I'd definitely find it curious that multi-angle 3D support, amiibo scanning and a xenoblade port was what finally convinced you to splash out.

What about those of us who plan on trading in our old ones because we don't need 2 of the same console?

This is a stupid argument.

Another issue it fails to grasp is that Nintendo are phasing out the old 3DS consoles.

 

[CosmicQueso]

Come now, we don't need men made of straw. This is covering-you-ass-legal-practice-101. It'd be hell-of-a-lot easier on them and everyone else if they just went with standard micro-usb but, more than likely, either the 3DS is contractually bound to the connection or they didn't want to pull a DSi and change it mid-gen.



I'm not ranting. You guys are making up some crazy stretches in here. Just because I don't agree with the extent to which you've now taken this (showing EU boxes, talking about warranties voids that have no way to be enforced aside from obvious cases of you plugging in a 120 into a 240 and wondering why your battery is melting), doesn't mean I am ranting or existing outside of reality.

There is 100% reasonable ground to be unhappy with not including a charger, no one should be happy about that.

There is no reasonable ground to be showing boxes of EU Embassador 3DS... which come with a charger as part of the package... or talking about warranty voids for a connector that cannot identify what is even connected to it. Unless your only goal is to fuel a narrative, of course. Everyone loves to fuel narratives.

Accusations of straw manning, narratives and conspiracies.

I'm just a pissed off consumer. Guess I'm not allowed to be though. Wonder what logical fallacy I'll be accused of next.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Wait, the normal new Nintendo 3DS is coming to North America? And the Ambassador Edition at that? And has the exact same box as the EU release?

Considering this is about the North American situation and all.

Because for all of us with normal, non-privileged information we only know that the front of the box looks like this and the back of the box like this. Which isn't any better, but at least is for the right region. And not hastily screencapped images from a youtube video. On a phone.

What is your issue?

It being the North American situation doesn't really change anything.

What actual difference does it make when both boxes have poor disclaimer warnings?

 

[Vena]

I'm just a pissed off consumer. Guess I'm not allowed to be though. Wonder what logical fallacy I'll be accused of next.

None, really. Missing the point isn't a logical fallacy.

Nor did anyone say you shouldn't be allowed to be pissed. As I said, I am not happy with the decision either but I believe many in here are taking this to rather absurd extremes.

What actual difference does it make when both boxes have poor disclaimer warnings?

Because they are entirely different disclaimer warnings, is likely his issue.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Because they are entirely different disclaimer warnings, is likely his issue.

Entirely different how? They're tiny, they say that the device doesn't come with a charger, and that you can use the charger of previous models as well as the DSi. Unless the issue is that there's a bunch of text in other languages with the EU Ambassador box...which proves what exactly?

 

[Vena]

There's no crazy stretching here. But there is you getting facts wrong.

Come again? Pretty sure this is stretching:

This is tiny ass fine print that they're trying to make you not notice

When the actual retail box has said not-tiny-ass-font on the front of the box, in a big red circle. Why bother showing the EU ambassador box, a non retail item, in an attempt to prove a point about a retail item if you had a point to prove with said retail boxes in NA... which others have provided... which don't corroborate your point?

 

[WrenchNinja]

Come again? Pretty sure this is stretching:

When the actual retail box has said not-tiny-ass-font on the front of the box, in a big red circle. Why bother showing the EU ambassador box, a non retail item, in an attempt to prove a point about a retail item if you had a point to prove with said retail boxes in NA... which others have provided... which don't corroborate your point?

How is that even remotely big? Are you joking?

 

[Vena]

How is that even remotely big? Are you joking?

Perhaps "big" was improper of me. It was meant more for "bigger than" what you were showing.

Anyway, point of the matter was, that you were using a completely different region's box when there are readily available pictures in high quality of the N3DSXL NA boxes... the reason for which was obvious.

 

[Dalibor_San]

Laugh all you want. I'm laughing back because you don't understand what a choice is.

It is actually you that lacks understanding,here is a real example of choice:

Nintendo includes a charger like they always did,you Tengiants gets to throw away the charger while those that need it are happy charging their devices,choice!

Them not including a charger is not a choice, it is pretty much selling you a dead-weight if you don't buy a charger after the first 10 or so hours....not a choice.

 

[Petrae]

Accusations of straw manning, narratives and conspiracies.

I'm just a pissed off consumer. Guess I'm not allowed to be though. Wonder what logical fallacy I'll be accused of next.

This thread has taught me two very important things:

1. Companies are infinitely more important than the consumers who buy their wares

and

2. You can't win when dealing with corporate apologists

Consumers aren't allowed to complain, you're right. It's like an apologist's Bat Signal; as soon as someone grumbles about a business decision and how it doesn't benefit the consumer, apologists are on the case to defend their companies from the evils of consumer entitlement.

It's best to either accept that these businesses are out to screw you and just buy your stuff or don't bother telling anyone that you're not giving in to these poor tactics.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Perhaps "big" was improper of me. It was meant more for "bigger than" what you were showing.

Anyway, point of the matter was, that you were using a completely different region's box when there are readily available pictures in high quality of the N3DSXL NA boxes... the reason for which was obvious.

It's still not significantly bigger and hardly point worthy of contention.

I actually didn't know there were close up box shots. It's why I went with the first unboxing video that came up on youtube for me.

But I would like to know what you think the reason is since it's apparently obvious.

 

[Resilient]

This thread has taught me two very important things:

1. Companies are infinitely more important than the consumers who buy their wares

and

2. You can't win when dealing with corporate apologists

Consumers aren't allowed to complain, you're right. It's like an apologist's Bat Signal; as soon as someone grumbles about a business decision and how it doesn't benefit the consumer, apologists are on the case to defend their companies from the evils of consumer entitlement.

It's best to either accept that these businesses are out to screw you and just buy your stuff or don't bother telling anyone that you're not giving in to these poor tactics.

This post confuses me. As a consumer who owns a few iterations of the DSi/3DS I have about 4 chargers sitting here. Not including the charger and charging less for the system benefits me greatly. I'm glad that when I bought my JPN New 3DS and my AU New 3DS I didn't need to pay another $20 for something I already had.

If you don't have a charger all you have to do is go and buy one. In Japan I believe they are about 900-1000 Yen, cheaper 2nd hand. In Aus they go for about 10 - 15 AUD.

 

[Resilient]

It is actually you that lacks understanding,here is a real example of choice:

Nintendo includes a charger like they always did,you Tengiants gets to throw away the charger while those that need it are happy charging their devices,choice!

Them not including a charger is not a choice, it is pretty much selling you a dead-weight if you don't buy a charger after the first 10 or so hours....not a choice.

WTF?

No, here is a REAL example of choice.

Have a charger? Sweet, the New 3DS only costs you 220 dollars instead of 230 dollars.
Don't have a charger? The New 3DS costs you 220, and you have to spend 10 dollars to buy the charger.
Bought the 3DS but didn't realise there is no charger? Research what you are purchasing before you buy it.

 

[Oxirane]

Here'e a (slightly blurry) image of the Australian New 3DS XL box.

 

[Cloudy]

Unless the new 3DS is cheaper, that is a bullshit excuse. It'll save them a ton of money though lol

 

[Night Angel]

Unless the new 3DS is cheaper, that is a bullshit excuse. It'll save them a ton of money though lol

Didn't you know? The new 3DS costs Nintendo $197 to make, which is why they can't pack in a charger that costs them pennies to make and still turn a profit on it at $199. Instead, they'll give new buyers a choice to buy said ultra cheap charger for $10! Imagine being a repeat customer and being burdened with an extra (nearly free) charger cable. Wouldn't that be dreadful? You'd be shackled to it for life. Thank GOD Nintendo thought of them when packaging their new hardware. Aren't they so pro consumer?

 

[Funyarinpa]

WTF?

No, here is a REAL example of choice.

Have a charger? Sweet, the New 3DS only costs you 220 dollars instead of 230 dollars.
Don't have a charger? The New 3DS costs you 220, and you have to spend 10 dollars to buy the charger.
Bought the 3DS but didn't realise there is no charger? Research what you are purchasing before you buy it.

A REAL choice would be Nintendo releasing two versions of each and every N3DS iteration, one clearly with a charger; one without.

Buying the charger separately is not a choice. If you're new to the newer DS systems, it's something you have to do if you want to use the N3DS.

 

[Brianâ˜]

A REAL choice would be Nintendo releasing two versions of each and every N3DS iteration, one clearly with a charger; one without.

Buying the charger separately is not a choice. If you're new to the newer DS systems, it's something you have to do if you want to use the N3DS.

so what, they're gonna release a N3DSXL with a charger and one without?

Packaging is gonna cost hella a lot of money.

New Nintendo 3DS WITH BATTERY CHARGER!

-.-

 

[Resilient]

A REAL choice would be Nintendo releasing two versions of each and every N3DS iteration, one clearly with a charger; one without.

Buying the charger separately is not a choice. If you're new to the newer DS systems, it's something you have to do if you want to use the N3DS.

You're right, you have no choice but to buy a charger. But you were gonna be charged for it when buying the New 3DS anyway, so what is the difference - you have to add one more item to your cart during check-out? At least this way, there is a large sector of the market that can save money. You can not deny that the consumer is given more freedom and a better deal with the charger coming separately. Further, there are added benefits - less production costs, lower emissions (due to less required manufacturing) etc. There is no benefit for me having 4 3DS chargers.

 

[Dominator]

Been wanting to get a DSi XL for awhile so I can play DS games on it (just doesn't look right to me on 3DS), so I just bought a used one today. Now I don't have to worry about getting another charger. The DSi is practically brand new too so I'm happy.

 

[Funyarinpa]

You're right, you have no choice but to buy a charger. But you were gonna be charged for it when buying the New 3DS anyway, so what is the difference - you have to add one more item to your cart during check-out? At least this way, there is a large sector of the market that can save money. You can not deny that the consumer is given more freedom and a better deal with the charger coming separately. Further, there are added benefits - less production costs, lower emissions (due to less required manufacturing) etc. There is no benefit for me having 4 3DS chargers.

Since people (those that do know N3DS does not have a charger) will have to buy them, they will be more than backups, and they'll be produced in far bigger number now. That counteracts the less emissions, less production costs and "etc.", diminishing their benefit significantly.

About the three 3DS adapters argument: If you really think that most (or at least a very big amount) of N3DS buyers already have a 3DS/DSi, then go ahead.

A customer has the right to expect to be able to power a device they buy with the contents of the box. Making new customers go and buy a charger is simply a hassle, a dick move by Nintendo to piss off new consumers while appealing to its current fans.

If one expects ALL their customers to already have bought from them (or at least so much that you prioritize saving money for your older customers than convenience for your newer customers), would that not alienate the user base?

 

[Laconic]

Since people (those that do know N3DS does not have a charger) will have to buy them, they will be more than backups, and they'll be produced in far bigger number now. That counteracts the less emissions, less production costs and "etc.", diminishing their benefit significantly.

About the three 3DS adapters argument: If you really think that most (or at least a very big amount) of N3DS buyers already have a 3DS/DSi, then go ahead.

A customer has the right to expect to be able to power a device they buy with the contents of the box. Making new customers go and buy a charger is simply a hassle, a dick move by Nintendo to piss off new consumers while appealing to its current fans.

If one expects ALL their customers to already have bought from them (or at least so much that you prioritize saving money for your older customers than convenience for your newer customers), would that not alienate the user base?

+1 For Logic.

Corporate apologists, still 0.

 

[maxiell]

The n3DS probably costs more to produce, so their margins are lower. Since they wanted to launch at $200, I can understand this move if the only other financial option was a $225 system.

 

[DiddyBop]

Since people (those that do know N3DS does not have a charger) will have to buy them, they will be more than backups, and they'll be produced in far bigger number now. That counteracts the less emissions, less production costs and "etc.", diminishing their benefit significantly.

About the three 3DS adapters argument: If you really think that most (or at least a very big amount) of N3DS buyers already have a 3DS/DSi, then go ahead.

A customer has the right to expect to be able to power a device they buy with the contents of the box. Making new customers go and buy a charger is simply a hassle, a dick move by Nintendo to piss off new consumers while appealing to its current fans.

If one expects ALL their customers to already have bought from them (or at least so much that you prioritize saving money for your older customers than convenience for your newer customers), would that not alienate the user base?

Basically this.

 

[TheSlySoul]

Here'e a (slightly blurry) image of the Australian New 3DS XL box.

So it is only half an inch.
Guess I overestimated it.

 

[hwy_61]

The n3DS probably costs more to produce, so their margins are lower. Since they wanted to launch at $200, I can understand this move if the only other financial option was a $225 system.

$25 extra for a USB cable? I don't think so.

 

[Night Angel]

Honestly people, how much do you think the chargers cost to make? The only way this could be a "better deal" for consumers would be if Nintendo allowed people to buy the chargers at cost, which certainly isn't happening. And now I'm seeing that someone thinks a bit of wrote and a plug costs $25. Jesus.

 

[secretanchitman]

That's really a weird stance to take. I sort of get it - it's a cost cutting measure but what about all of the people who are new customers? Not everyone is a repeat customer. At least include a USB charging cable, even if it's proprietary. Honestly I don't know of any product that hasn't included the AC adapter at the very least. Glad I have my $4 USB charging cable from Amazon but even still, it's annoying.

 

[Funyarinpa]

Honestly people, how much do you think the chargers cost to make? The only way this could be a "better deal" for consumers would be if Nintendo allowed people to buy the chargers at cost, which certainly isn't happening. And now I'm seeing that someone thinks a bit of wrote and a plug costs $25. Jesus.

If by "buy at cost" you mean "buy separately", I'm pretty sure that is possible already.

 

[Derpyduck]

If by "buy at cost" you mean "buy separately", I'm pretty sure that is possible already.

No, he means buy it at cost. "At cost" means at the cost it takes to actually make it.

 

[Funyarinpa]

No, he means buy it at cost. "At cost" means at the cost it takes to actually make it.

Oh, I see. Thank you. (English isn't my native language, I hadn't come across the expression before.)

 

[Christopher]

I can't believe people are defending this I just can't.

You know what people have styluses and micro SD cards already too so leave them out if he box too and shave a couple of dollars off since your already saving me so much money!!!

 

[Chittagong]

So, side stepping the corporate blame game, I had a question I was hoping people here would know the answer for:

Can I charge an Australian 3DS

1. in USA, using an original US 3DS charger?
2. in USA, with an USB-3DS cable plugged into an iPad charger or MacBook Pro USB jack?

 

[ajjow]

i dont understand why they dont put a usb cable.

aRe They that desperate for acessories money?

I have two chargers. But i understand the angry of people. Its cheap. 10 dollars more, but i hate when people take me as a clown. Man, that`s EA low for nintendo.

 

[Verendus]

People want everything these days. What's next? Does Nintendo need to kiss you goodnight too?

jesus christ

 

[hwy_61]

People want everything these days. What's next? Does Nintendo need to kiss you goodnight too?

jesus christ

Lol

 

[CosmicQueso]

You're right, you have no choice but to buy a charger. But you were gonna be charged for it when buying the New 3DS anyway, so what is the difference - you have to add one more item to your cart during check-out? At least this way, there is a large sector of the market that can save money. You can not deny that the consumer is given more freedom and a better deal with the charger coming separately. Further, there are added benefits - less production costs, lower emissions (due to less required manufacturing) etc. There is no benefit for me having 4 3DS chargers.

A large sector can save money huh?

I just can't anymore. You win, apologists.

 

[Funyarinpa]

People want everything these days. What's next? Does Nintendo need to kiss you goodnight too?

jesus christ

If you hadn't posted this, I have no idea what I would've done with my life. Seriously, I regret everything I've said in this thread. How conceited and self-entitled I was, to think an electronic device should come with a power cable! You have my eternal gratitude for showing me the true path, to follow the steps of our lord and savior Satoru Iwata. I'm currently writing a letter to Nintendo Of America and Nintendo Of Europe, trying to explain to them how amazing it would be for them to omit the stylus and the SD card as well, since they can be bought elsewhere. My life shall be illuminated by this choice of grandeur, which shall provide all of humanity with divine enlightenment, both to those who have found the N in their soul, and to those new to our fellowship.

Amen.

 

[neogaffer1]

Not putting an AC adapter in the box is one of the most blatantly cheap things possible. They probably cost, what? 5 dollars at most to make? Are you that cheap that you not only don't include it, but force others to buy it at an inflated price to make even more money?

It wouldn't be as bad if it was a universal adapter like a Micro USB, because everybody has those and if you don't you can get one for like $2 on Amazon. But a proprietary charger? Are you serious?

 

[Respawn]

Can't see the problem here... That's a pretty reasonable explanation. The console would cost more if they included the adaptor as standard. Now you're saving money if you don't need the adaptor, or paying what it would have cost had they included the adaptor as standard if you buy the adaptor seperately.

You can't see the problem of not providing a charger in the box of an electronic device? Let's see how some cell phone manufacturers would fare adopting this practice.

 

[Hale-XF11]

Just chiming in to let be known that I'm voting accordingly with my wallet. Not a fan of NOA's anti-consumer tactics these days and that's putting it as nicely as I possibly can.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

i dont understand why they dont put a usb cable.

aRe They that desperate for acessories money?

I have two chargers. But i understand the angry of people. Its cheap. 10 dollars more, but i hate when people take me as a clown. Man, that`s EA low for nintendo.

I think they are that desperate to reduce costs. When you are making something that is going to be (hopefully) selling tens of millions of units every cent counts, even if it makes you look cheap and petty.