I wouldn't say that...
They are pretty much tied with the corporations that pull the bullshit, though.
It's basically spousal abuse without the honeymoon make-up periods.
Nintendo statement on lack of adaptor in NA.
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I wouldn't say that...
They are pretty much tied with the corporations that pull the bullshit, though.
It's basically spousal abuse without the honeymoon make-up periods.
I have accepted this. Not really that big of a deal. What is annoying is Nintendo trying to pass this off as anything but a cost saving measure. That's what it is. Without including a charger in the box, the container can be smaller, weigh less. All the millions of little tiny bags and twist ties. On and on. They don't have to account for it. Plus they have the added bonus of getting to turn around and sell them. It's all centered around money. Any other explanation is an insult to our intelligence.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
And it's well known. That's why NOA can pull this off with the diehards.
Petrae
Member
So very true.
I mean, why shouldn't companies charge for adapters that they didn't charge for previously when consumers are arguing that they're happy to pay more? Why should games function as directed on launch day when consumers are perfectly content to wait a few days/weeks for them to do so? Why should online play be free if consumers are content to pay for it?
Today's video game consumer is the biggest problem. Not only can't they ever say no to the industry, but many are willing to actively defend any policy that gets questioned or criticized. It's like a volunteer militia of PR reps that these companies don't even know they have.
They would regain a sale from me if they included a voucher for an adapter but they won't. Nintendo has no fucking clue on how to appeal to consumers most of the time.
Funyarinpa
Member
Maybe out of context, but if Nintendo didn't know how to appeal to people it would have long crumbled into dust and called out much more severely.
electroshockwave
Member
Aside from the fact that Nintendo obviously isn't passing on the savings to the consumer the idea that Nintendo should be selling most New 3DSs to people who already have a 3DS is ridiculous. They're a business they should be looking for growth. They should be trying to expand their base to sell more software. The most positive light you can put on this is that Nintendo has given up on really increasing their market penetration and is milking repeat buys from their faithful following.
Wildarmsjecht
Member
I had a DS. I think they called it lite? years ago. I think I have still have the charger for it.
Finally managed to find the right time/funds for a 3DS and went with the new one (wanted to play Xenoblade chronicles since I never had a Wii)
My charger won't work?
And if so, I have to buy a charger?
That's shitty.
Finally managed to find the right time/funds for a 3DS and went with the new one (wanted to play Xenoblade chronicles since I never had a Wii)
My charger won't work?
And if so, I have to buy a charger?
That's shitty.
TheSlySoul
Member
If you ignore the outlier Wii/DS, Nintendo is declining. Wish they did not combine Color with GB.
Not going to match GC and GBA numbers at this rate.
Yes to all your questions.
That is why I said most.
It is no wonder pre-order bullshit and DLC gotten as outrageous as it has. The video game consumer has proven that, more often than not, they will take whatever the industry put on their plate, and eat it happily.
What's sad is it's not like consumers are powerless. Look what happened when consumers voiced their discontent with the original plans for the Xbox One. Got MS to reverse course.
What really bugs me about this is that these people don't have any real reason to defend these policies. I can understand a company employee like that Evolve dev serving as a defense force, but here we see tons of people spending hours of their time defending something that doesn't benefit them because "Nintendo makes good games." Like seriously, do they think they owe some sort of debt to the company?
GayForMaster
Banned
Did they not consider the people just acquiring a 3DS for the first time?
Petrae
Member
I don't understand the corporate apologist mentality, myself. Maybe Reggie Fils-Aime sends that all autographed "My body is ready" portraits or something.
It's the sports fan mentality, I guess. Even though fans don't really play for the team, they still aggressive defend and cheer for that team, as though they're on the roster and getting a monthly paycheck. Corporate apologists behave very similarly, with the exception of not saying "we" when referring to the company that he/she is defending.
You're actually comparing power supplies (batteries) that span dozens of industries to a proprietary power supply that only one company uses, within a single industry, and that one company can't even be arsed to ship it in their own box?
You're stretching so hard that I'm afraid you might strain yourself.
Funyarinpa
Member
Was there half as much backlash as the current situation when the OG 3DS XL was announced to be omitting a charger?
buy the charger if you need it. It's really that simple.
It's $8
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CJTA87A/?tag=neogaf0e-20
It's $8
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CJTA87A/?tag=neogaf0e-20
StalkerUKCG
Banned
3ds doesn't come with a charger in the UK
Lalalandia
Member
That is literally the only product I have ever heard of that comes without a charger and I live in Ireland. Every phone I own and even my damn electric corkscrew came with a charger.
Obviously we know we can order a charger, but it's just plain cheap for Nintendo to not include it.
I really hope one of these fucking Nintendo apologists in this thread goes to a store one day to buy a brand new tv, only to find out there's no AC cord included.
WHADDA YA MEAN, NO CORD? DONT YOU HAVE AN OLD TV? YOU KNOW YOU CAN BUY AC CORDS SEPARATELY, RIGHT?
Heaven forbid I buy an extra Nintendo handfeld for my girlfriend. HEY HONEY LET'S SHARE AC ADAPTERS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT FUCKING ANNOYING AT ALL.
Oh, by the way, I live in Europe and assuming this is commonplace around here is wrong. I have never bought an electrical device without the adapter/cord/charger that actually makes it work.
WHADDA YA MEAN, NO CORD? DONT YOU HAVE AN OLD TV? YOU KNOW YOU CAN BUY AC CORDS SEPARATELY, RIGHT?
Heaven forbid I buy an extra Nintendo handfeld for my girlfriend. HEY HONEY LET'S SHARE AC ADAPTERS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT FUCKING ANNOYING AT ALL.
Oh, by the way, I live in Europe and assuming this is commonplace around here is wrong. I have never bought an electrical device without the adapter/cord/charger that actually makes it work.
I make educated purchases, meaning I would read the box and research what I purchase beforehand. If it didn't have it and I wanted it, I would just buy one.
Hell, I even spent like 3 hours reading reviews, viewing images, and watching videos about a bookshelf I wanted to purchase because I was concerned with how I was spending my $30.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
How is the Wii U working out for them? Nintendo is clueless when it comes to recognizing the needs of the modern consumer. Between this bs and no online play in Mario Party, they deserve to get thrown under the bus. I always find it amazing that there are some people here (not speaking about you) who will defend Nintendo's backwards decisions to the death out of some twisted sense of brand loyalty fueled by nostalgia. It's clear they're screwing over people here just to save themselves a few bucks.
"It says on the box there's no charger included" is the worst argument ever. That's doesn't make their awful cheap fuckery acceptable.
Not as bad as the NA backlash.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=549704
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=479524
I never said it was acceptable to not include one in the box.
I was responding to your actual post, where you created a hypothetical situation in which "fucking Nintendo apologists" buy a TV that has no AC cord and are subsequently outraged, by saying that I research the things I spend money on before I buy them. It's a position I think all people should take when spending money; researching what you buy.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
You may not have said it but that was implied. Know what position I take? If I'm buying an electronic device the manufacturer better include a charger in the box.
I wouldn't waste my time trying to slip a fast one against people that want chargers in boxes. I honestly do not care to even do something like that. If I really had that position I would've just said it directly instead of beating around the bush. You buy a thing that needs to be charged, it should have a charger.
Really, my "implied message" is that I just want all people to be responsible with their money and pay attention to shit like this so they don't get fucked for not looking into things beforehand (as is the case with all these hypothetical outrage situations presented in this thread). It'd be shitty to actually make the mistake that could've been prevented with 3 minutes on google.
Petrae
Member
No they won't. "Nintendo-licensed power chargers ensure that damage and/or possible injury don't occur. They are built to our specifications, with safety in mind and with the goal of keeping your New 3DS full of power to take on the go for years to come."
It's indefensibly poor form for Nintendo to force consumers who don't have a charger from another 3DS to have to buy one, but it's like buying a replacement charger if you lose/break one that you were given: If you cheap out and buy non-licensed replacements to save a few bucks, Nintendo isn't responsible if injury and/or damage to the hardware results from use.
Some arguments in favor of not including the charger with the New 3DS that I've read think that it's better for Nintendo because it serves as a deterrent against trading in an older 3DS by forcing those who might do so to either reconsider (to save $15 in buying a new charger) or forcing a small fee upon them by making them buy another charger.
"It's not Nintendo's fault that you're trading in your 3DS towards the new one and don't have a charger to use. It's yours." wrote one person.
LOL. It's $5, calm down. Sounds like you just don't like Nintendo games. That's fine, you don't have to. I personally think they make premium games, therefore I'm willing to pay a premium. A small $5 price increase is okay by me, even if it is for selfish money making reasons(it's not even an increase, you spend the same and you get more features than the old XL). They are a business after all.
Funyarinpa
Member
Being a business is not an excuse for the other electronic device manufacturers around the world to omit the effing CHARGER from an electronic device.
As other people have said before, the main problem here isn't the price of the charger, but the omission itself. Whether or not the consumer can get a hold of one through external means is not relevant to the (lack of) inclusion of the charger.
This is like iPhones not coming with a power cable and Apple saying "You probably have another Apple device, don't you? Here, get this other charger for $5 instead even if you don't."
Is this real life? This has to be parody right?
TheSlySoul
Member
Think at least half. EU phone makers are not as consistent than US with including a charge cable.
Funny enough nobody really could argue my point in including a free voucher for an adapter with all new 3DS boxes. The apologists keep using the same argument overy and over. I rather if they really wanted to save money, don't include the huge manual or even AR cards. I don't think I have to give up my AR cards when I trade.
Ingueferroque
Banned
This is bullshit.
Even in your Apple instance, I don't really see the problem. If Apple doesn't want to include the charger, they shouldn't include the charger.
I just don't understand the outrage. As long as it's not advertised that it's ready out of the box, I don't see the problem. Is it just because free cables have become a societal norm?
Are you serious?
The cables are never free; the handful of cents they cost to manufacture, are already figured into the boxed price.
Yes, when we purchase something, we expect it work, out of the box.
Enough with the "entitlement" posts.
They make the people who post them seem incredibly stupid.
TheSlySoul
Member
Watching Ashens open the Ambassador edition. So good...
Cover and dock looks great, screw you NoA. Why is the Power button on the bottom?
Cover and dock looks great, screw you NoA. Why is the Power button on the bottom?
Sounds like societal norm is the reason. That's fine that you feel that way. I don't. I might be stupid. You're not making a good case to me personally. I wouldn't care if Apple does it, Sony does it, whoever, as long as it's clear that the adapter is not included in the box.
Yes, it is normal to expect to be able to power the electronics you bought. Especially if the device you just bought requires a proprietary cable.
No, it's really not a moral issue.
It is more of an ethical issue.
Regardless, we are talking about a console-specific adapter.
An argument MIGHT be made for the exclusion of standardized cords, such as USB, or HDMI, but not for ones that have a console-specific size or shape on the plug.
EDIT:
Derpy beat my long post to to punch, lol.
If this is an argument regarding proprietary hardware I agree, I like open standards more. However this doesn't stop us from buying new proprietary racing wheels for a single game, or proprietary memory cards for new consoles, or the various other ways we get gouged as a consumer. It's an unfortunate side of business that I personally accepted long ago.
This is about bundling cables in boxes though. I don't agree that bundling cables is ever necessary as long as it's not advertised that it's ready out of the box.
TheSlySoul
Member
Nah, I do as well. Paying $200 and expecting the charger to be included is entitled I guess.
WrenchNinja
Member
This is not a warning
This is tiny ass fine print that they're trying to make you not notice
It's a bad joke really.
This is tiny ass fine print that they're trying to make you not notice
It's a bad joke really.
RadarScope1
Member
Anybody who buys this explanation is foolish. They're saving US money? Oh, OK. As if they were going to charge $208 for it. No, it was always going to be $200 and now their margin has increased by a few bucks per unit.
Racing wheels are not mandatory to play a game.
System specific memory cards a la PS1 & PS2 are sketchy, and borderline unethical, until you take into account the hardware limitations at the time. Then they seem somewhat economically sound.
There is no excuse for the Vita's memory cards. Which is the SOLE reason why I do not have a Vita.
AC adapters are mandatory for systems that don't run on disposable batteries.
It is a very simple issue.
Yes, this is fact. It doesn't change the fact that your point boils down to societal norms of electronics bundling adapters with consoles. Societal norms aren't enough to convince me enough to care what Nintendo does if what we're talking about is essentially a $5 price increase.
This isn't an allegiance thing, this is being okay with paying for what I feel personally is quality.