IGN has a good unboxing and description of the thing, if you want to check it out.
Nintendo statement on lack of adaptor in NA.
- Thread starter axisofweevils
- Start date
IGN has a good unboxing and description of the thing, if you want to check it out.
The logical assumption is that if you buy a PS4 controller, you have a PS4. Otherwise why would you need to charge it(PC gamers is the answer, and odds are good they have a USB cable)? And if you did need to charge it independent of the PS4, the cable it uses is as standard as they get. Once again, Nintendo is choosing not to include a *proprietary* cable. It's unheard of.
FirmBizBws
Becomes baffled, curling up into a ball when confronted with three controller options.
Will I need a separate cord to transfer data between the 3ds and a PC? For ex, if I want to put my games on a different memory card but storing them on my PC then transferring them back to the other memory card?
N3DS can connect wirelessly, or you plug in your mSD card into a reader which is a standard, 2$ part that can connect through all sorts of ways.
FirmBizBws
Becomes baffled, curling up into a ball when confronted with three controller options.
Oh great, thanks. I just purchased a microSD that comes with a reader, so I assume I'll be able to put the memory card that comes with the 3ds xl into that reader and get everything set up then.
The OG XL? That has an SD card standard, so its a bit bigger. I don't know if your reader will have that built in.
WrenchNinja
Member
You want to compare having a standardised cable to a propietary one?
No, it's not a logical conclusion to expect your entire audience to have extras of this charger.
If they're cheap, then Nintendo should easily be able to afford to include one. They're not passing any savings on to us.
Those people find a way to charge their controllers because Sony decided to go with a world standard to make a device work unlike Nintendo
FirmBizBws
Becomes baffled, curling up into a ball when confronted with three controller options.
No, the new XL
Ahh. Yes, the New XL comes with a mSD and you can connect to it remotely over wifi OR you can use the card reader, plug it in, and put everything you want on to it. The first time, since its not already in the N3DS, you may as well use the adapter and move everyhting but after that you can just use wifi to manage anything and everything on the N3DS.
A lot more convenient than how it was with the OG 3DS. You can even use certain apps on your phone to connect to it and manage it if you can find your local network IP for your N3DS.
It's mostly people upgrading and hardcore fans at launch. They can add an adapter later for when the system drops in price.
Besides the obvious flaw in the comparison that one is a stand alone device and another is a accessory to a device which unsurprisingly comes with a cable that enables you to charge said accessory. People are still making poor comparisons and analogies when comparing like for like makes a lot of sense. Then again there are still the same faces digging their heels in defending Nintendo over this, one can understand why false equivalents are continuously brought to the fore as supposed valid arguments.
It's a shame Nintendo are driving away potential customers when they're in need of new ones.
Brian★;148127243 said:
Sorry, but I'm not ok with a company withholding mandatory components of something they're selling to you for hundreds of dollars. This isn't a memory card, this isn't an extra video cable, this is a 100% required component that your device will not function without. The explanation that it's because people have power cables is just as insulting as the notion that we wouldn't want it in the first place.
Glad to see The Verge picking this up. http://t.co/JxxjUW3CId
"What's the big deal? Buy a 5 dollar charger!"
Turns out they're 10 dollars and above. I can't understand how anyone could be defending this.
"What's the big deal? Buy a 5 dollar charger!"
Turns out they're 10 dollars and above. I can't understand how anyone could be defending this.
yeah. was at a gamestop and saw a mom ask about that, and gamestop dude just offered her some 3rd party one...
They should just package each amiibo with a 3ds charger.
SystemUser
Member
This reminds me of when I bought my Gameboy Advance at launch. It was basically a brick when I bought it. Nintendo forced my to buy a game on a proprietary cartridge format to even let me check if the buttons were defective. How could Nintendo sell a device with zero software included. The games was $30 or I could buy a used game for like $5 or $10, but was for an OG gameboy game not GBA.
You gotta be kidding me. What a delusional comparison.
AzureSkies
Member
Did you think this was witty when you typed it?
Surely you can understand a basic piece of fucking hardware that your system requires to function, vs an array of optional pieces of software which by the very nature of the system you're supposed to decide which ones you consume.
Alex_Mexico
Member
I wouldn't mind them not including the AC adapter if Nintendo had had the curtesy of using a generic connection to plug in other adapters but no, of course thy had to go with preopretary!
This is just idiotic, will only cause unnecesary headaches for many buyers and costumer representatives who get asked a thousand times a day "why is my 3DS missing the AC adapter?"
This is just idiotic, will only cause unnecesary headaches for many buyers and costumer representatives who get asked a thousand times a day "why is my 3DS missing the AC adapter?"
BibiMaghoo
Member
But the cost for them is next to nothing per unit.
So it wouldn't make a difference to a consumer, unless they want to profit off the price of each adapter per unit.
So it wouldn't make a difference to a consumer, unless they want to profit off the price of each adapter per unit.
SystemUser
Member
I think not packing in the adapter amounts to a hidden cost of $7-$20 more than the price tag listed. It is listed on the box that it doesn't include the adapter. I am pretty sure that everyone that 99% of the people that bought the N3DS knew about this price increase. How many people have heard reports of people getting it home and being surprised? I guess that might happen with parents at christmas, but it seems like console always have hidden costs.
When I grew up it was standard to get some usable software included with your hardware. The first console I bought that didn't include a game was the Nintendo 64. It seemed crazy that it I had to buy Super Mario 64 for separately from the console. Super Mario 64 wasn't $7-$20 it was $60-$80. The Super Nintendo had the same launch price, but included Super Mario World. Do you think parents buying the Nintendo 64 were happy when the salesmen told them, "Yeah, that $200 toy you are buying for your kid is a brick unless you give me an extra $60 plus tax right now." Do you think little Timmy that had been saving his allowance and paper route money was happy to hear the same thing? Nintendo used to always include a Mario game with their home consoles. (Including Tetris with Gameboy was the exception at that point.) Maybe you aren't old enough to remember being shocked that you had to pay 30% extra to play the Mario game on a Nintendo console. I think $60 in 1996 dollars was a lot of money.
Playstation used CDs which were super cheap for Sony to produce so Sony could inlcude demo discs with the Playstation. They weren't full games, but parents didn't have to give their kids a brick for christmas if they didn't know that generation stopped including pack in games and only brought enough money for the console itself. Pack-in games used to be the standard. Overall I would say that the vast majority of consoles have included some sort of usable pack-in software.
If you want to be mad about the 3DS just be mad about the price in general. It is a $200 device with a dual core 533MHz Arm 11. That is some ancient ass shit. Maybe it is that expensive because Nintendo used a time machine to procure parts. I think that is way more where Nintendo is ripping us off than charging extra for the AC adapter.
Haven't Europe and Japan had to endure this crime against humanity for a few years now? Was Neogaf flooded with threads when this happened in those regions?
The hidden cost shouldn't include the proprietary means to power your electronic device. When it gets to that point, the company in question deserve all the hate lobbed at them.
CosmicQueso
Member
While much of what you wrote is nonsense, the above was beautiful.
citation needed
SystemUser
Member
Really both of us arguing that the N3DS over priced is sort of pointless when it is soldout. It doesn't seem like hate is being lobbed at them it seems like it is money. Are you saying that money is the root of all evil and that by giving them so much money everyone is showing how much they hate Nintendo? Mo' money mo' problems.
Basic economics. Nintendo still makes the chargers in bulk at an extremely reduced price and is able to get an additional $10 per user (new and trading up).
IT may cost them $1.50 each to manufacture. Times that by throwing them in 1 million New 3Ds boxes. 1.5 million bucks. Not cheap.
In Europe it's 6EUR, which is 5EUR without taxes. Which is around $5.70.
As I already said - where is any evidence that Nintendo would sell n3DS for 155EUR even with a charger included? And not simply for at least 160EUR.
If Nintendo actually wanted to rip people off, they could for example charge $20. Like Apple is doing (and that's even ignoring that Apple is selling insanely overpriced products).
And why would they not simply "throw in" the charger and simply charge more for the whole package? I mean if they are ripping anyone off, then they could also rip people off by doing that. It would even work better, because you wouldn't be able to buy one without it. Even in case you already had 5 of them. As of now, they can only "rip off" every customer once. Even in case that customer buys multiple 3DSs/DSis in total.
That's your argument in favor of not including the proprietary means to power the device? That it sold out at stores the first day it was released in small quantities? Yay.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
But if you get the sucke... I mean, customers to purchase them, you make 10 million bucks instead!
SystemUser
Member
I am not in favor of them not including it, but if Nintendo can get away with they will do it. I think you guys just expect more from Nintendo then their track record doesn't really show it. They got away with this in Japan (I think on the DSi LL first) and then Europe (I think on the 3DS XL first). I am not in favor of this, but I am just not surprised. I am more surprised it is even legal in Germany than I am surprised that Nintendo is now doing the same thing with NoA.
I want them to release the standard size N3DS in NoA region way more than I care about whether is costs $7-$12 more than the sticker price. Video games is an expensive hobby so $7-$12 does not really seem like a huge deal. I want face places. Face plates are way more of a rip off and I want them. The N3DS has working 3D. I bought the 3DS XL over the OG 3DS only because the 3D sort of worked better. With the N3DS it has working so I want the smaller system with the rainbow buttons and the faceplate. I hope they don't mess it up and switch it to purple buttons of the NoA SNES.
Comandr
Member
As of 2011 it cost them $3.48 for the box, charger, packaging, stylus, and papers. Presumably including the AR cards.
So basically it cost them next to nothing to include a charger. Best guess is that today it costs them a dollar or less. That's nothing. For the amount of parents or uninformed people in general that bought the system for a holiday or a gift and didn't know about the charger, it IS a giant hassle, on top of being a giant disappointment.
This doesn't build confidence in the consumer towards Nintendo. Any way you cut it, it looks cheap. Consumers will have memories of that purchase and hold animosity towards Nintendo in the future. "I wonder if this thing is going to come with a charger."
So adding 1/100th to the bill to ensure that customers are happy and taken care of is fucking nothing. It shouldn't even be a thought. This is just pathetic.
I traded up to the New 3DS at Gamestop. Turns out, they need a power adapter to be included with the traded older 3DS. The Gamestop did have a large number of 3rd party adaptors for $5 though, that could be purchased and traded in with the older 3DS. $5 later, problem solved.
Would I rather not have paid $5 extra? Sure. But I would have also rather not paid $15 extra in taxes either, which I hadn't accounted for when I planned the trade in. Oh well, not worth 50 pages argument at NeoGAF
.
Would I rather not have paid $5 extra? Sure. But I would have also rather not paid $15 extra in taxes either, which I hadn't accounted for when I planned the trade in. Oh well, not worth 50 pages argument at NeoGAF
.DAREALGUMMY
Member
It's an annoyance and an inconvenience when I actually forgot about this whole deal. I picked up a USB charger which is great.
It tells you what Nintendo thinks of its own business. They know they've lost new customers.
WrenchNinja
Member
Use common sense.
Admiral Woofington
Member
it doesn't really just fuck new consumers as many old consumers, such as myself, sold our old 3DS to help pay for this, and these places require you to sell it with the charger.
Funyarinpa
Member
This sort of thing is why I've lost my love for Nintendo in the last few years.
J
Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
You guys don't want the official Nintendo charger. It will only work with 110 V (at least in North America). Plug it into any 220 V outlet, even if you have an adapter, and nothing will happen. Biggest pos I've ever seen from a design standpoint.
test_account
XP-39C²
I think its unlikely that Nintendo would have charged for example 206.99 euro for the New 3DS XL. It would have have been priced at 199 euro regardless, that way its still in the 1XX-price range.
Funyarinpa
Member
SlaughterX
Banned
Just found this out the hard way, this is some bullshit. Yes, I have a 3DS XL (and everything that came before it), but I was planning on selling it, so now I either have to screw the person who is buying this out of the adapter or buy another one myself. Either way it's a pretty shitty situation, thanks Nintendo!