Funyarinpa
Member
I look at the dock that came with my OG 3DS, and I feel like both laughing and crying.
Nintendo statement on lack of adaptor in NA.
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The cost of a part that's already in production like this is negligible, in terms of end-pricing. Accessories are a high-margin item. I understand how pricing can effect marketability, so making the N3DS price appear smaller than it actually is is Nintendo's prerogative. The party benefiting from the change is the producer, not the consumer. I understand many users are upgrading, but considering to sell or trade the redundant unit, you need the power cable to be included, this seems oddly crass reasoning to make a PR statement about.
I understand the overseas markets have had this arrangement for some time. That doesn't make me thrilled about it.
I understand the overseas markets have had this arrangement for some time. That doesn't make me thrilled about it.
Team Top Hat
Banned
Called NOA and the support person had no idea it didn't come with a charger and thought it was idiotic that it didn't come with one. I don't expect them to have a job much longer.
This whole situation is stupid. Include a charger you cheap skates.
This whole situation is stupid. Include a charger you cheap skates.
WOW.
Not the same, but I was in my local Gamestop and the manager didn't know the New 3DS wasn't going to include AC adapter. They will be having lots of fun with angry parents and crying kids in the coming months...
CosmicQueso
Member
Tens of millions is doubtful. Sales have been in rapid decline, at least in the US.
Even projecting that out to include Europe and Japan, You get somewhere in the mid to high teens over the next couple of years.
Just a matter of time... and with consumer practices like this? Not going to get any better.
It's like newspapers. Sales are through the floor and what they're doing to stay alive is squeezing more and more out of the poor sods still reading them.
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.
Ninja Scooter
Member
You are smoking something (or just naive) if you think Nintendo would have launched this thing at $209.99. They would (and should) have just eaten the cost to be able to stay under that magical $200 price point. There is a reason most products are $19.99, or 99.99 or 199.99 and not $22.99 or 104.99 or 209.99.
Christopher
Member
So also if their aiming at people who already have a 3Ds wouldn't you want to make these small upgrades a value to the gamer?
you are naive to think any company is going to eat the cost of any product unless its absolutely needed.
The new 3ds isnt needed to sale 3ds games.
KiefbladeMaster
Member
They aren't selling this shit at cost, they're already making a profit. It'd just lower their margins. Don't get this idea where everyone thinks a charger that costs them almost nothing to make is going to raise the price of the system. It's to make them more money.
This thread has gone in circles with the same excuses over and over.
Funyarinpa
Member
The problem isn't if whether you can get a charger by external means or not. Nintendo's prioritizing its existing userbase by this move and alienating the new potential users.
ReBurn
Gold Member
I doubt it would have cost Nintendo an extra $10 per unit to pack the adapter in with the system. It would have cost something, but I doubt as much as the adapter retails for.
It's a way to charge more without charging more.
Nintendo isn't prioritizing one user base over another. They are prioritizing revenue over everything else.
Mistake
Member
I've had my DS lite since it came out. The R button isn't perfect anymore, but still works. I was considering buying a New 3DS, but searching on google about it just gave me pages and pages on how bad the build quality is for both systems. Not having a charger just topped it. Region free was another issue, but you can get around that eventually. I think it's a real shame, because there were a lot of titles I was interested in.
Oh hey there's the old "They'd charge you more if they included it." nonsense.
The manufacturing cost for replacement AC adapters, even by companies without the advantages of scale that Nintendo does, is roughly $.50 USD. Fifty cents. The reason they're handling it this way is because their market response estimates tell them that a system priced above $199.99 will drop in demand, and internally, they want higher margins in the product. Hence, they've split one product into two that an end-user needs to operate the system. By selling the AC adapter at the normal (meaning relatively high) markup in addition to their markup for the core system, they come out ahead compared to what they would otherwise, both in margin and in avoiding a price-point that would stymie interest. It would be contrary to Nintendo's legal obligation to act in the interest of profits to do this unless it specifically gained them a greater net-profit in the end.
This is all fine in its own way, but making a statement that it's done to save consumers money is simply untrue in any broad sense.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Of course it's not needed, as evidenced by this thread and others people are willing to give Nintendo an inch while they take a mile and take it smiling.
Jazzy Network
Member
I love this defense.
Pancakes R Us
Member
Nope. n3DS has remained the same price or cheaper in all territories already, so I don't see why NoS would be the only place it's getting more expensive. Definitely just a margin-making money grab, IMO. Desperate times.
Starwolf_UK
Member
No, its about hitting that magic number as 210 looks bad but only 200 and multiples or 25 like 225 look good...
Same price or cheaper than what? If you're thinking 3DS XL=New 3DS XL you are comparing two systems that don't come with AC adapters. Also what has the exchange rate been doing these days. Maybe $200 no longer makes sense for XL with charger due to a weaker dollar or something?
Sapiens
Member
So, are you trying to say the Nintendo is giving us the choice of not having to burden ourselves with an extra charger, and this is in fact, a superior configuration?
You are not saving anything from Nintendo not including a charger. The cost is not passed onto the consumer; there is most likely a very large profit margin on the New 3DS and the extra dollar it takes to include a charger does not seriously affect it.
Basically, stop calling this Nintendo saving you money. They are not saving you money by not including a charger.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Let's be realistic here. Even if the charger was included the system would have still cost 200. This is them trying to get a bit of extra profit.
I really don't know. We got people in here calling AC adapters "luxuries". People upset about no AC adapters included are being called "entitled". People thinking including an adapter would raise the price anywhere from $205 to $230 (!!!).
We're at a point where expecting some way to power your $200 electronic device to be included in the package is a luxury.
It's crazy.
At some point we'll be calling each other entitled for expecting the system in the box.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Personally, I think it is all about Nintendo standardising packaging. The New 3DS packaging is far smaller than the 3DS OG. To be honest, I'm not even sure if a charger could fit in it.
In other words, name a country where the New 3DS / XL is released... It didn't have a charger included in the box.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
The black one is so bleak. Sadness hardware
Owlowiscious
Member
... .??? then why haven't I played my vita for 8 months after losing my charger? edit: oh, the new model uses Micro USB. old one with OLED screen doesn't.
The N3DS? The N3DS is built on par, if not better, than the Lite. It's the OG 3DS that was a pile of crap in terms of its build.
Anyone you ask about the build quality of the N3DS will tell you its actually very, very good. So I'm not sure what you were reading... or even what you googled. You were probably reading reviews of the old 3DS.
The real cost saver for Nintendo isn't the charger. Its the box size. Compare an OG XL box to the size of a NXL box.
I'm Australian, a n3DSXL owner, and I will gladly tell you this situation is very stupid of Nintendo.
No, they were never going to charge $210 or anything like that. This only increases their profits.
That's funny, I'd consider a proprietary charger for a rechargeable battery absolutely necessary. .
Christopher
Member
So what's to say that the fucking Scalpers won't buy all the Chargers as seen by the GameCube adaptor/Amibbo fiasco - and you'd have to pay top dollar go get one. What if they are sold out in stores too you can't charge your 3DS???
Include it in the box so those defending this practice it's just insane
Include it in the box so those defending this practice it's just insane
InfiniteCombo
Banned
I don't know why anyone would defend this. None of the defenses make any sense to me.
I mean, I've seen company/brand/product loyalty before. But the stuff from the Nintendo hardcore fans in this thread, wow...
CosmicQueso
Member
So after thinking about this quite a bit, I've decided to not only not get the new 3DS, but I've also decided I'm getting rid of my other 3DS systems. I've bought 9 systems for myself, family and friends, and I've spent over $1,600 in software for them.
Sample size of one, but Nintendo has lost at least one dedicated, high spend customer. Hope the $1 they saved on the charger is worth it to them. I guess it must be.
This has been responded to before in the thread... Craigslist was actually thrown out there or asking friends for one of their extras. Seriously.
Sample size of one, but Nintendo has lost at least one dedicated, high spend customer. Hope the $1 they saved on the charger is worth it to them. I guess it must be.
This has been responded to before in the thread... Craigslist was actually thrown out there or asking friends for one of their extras. Seriously.
OMG, wow. Now that would be complete chaos. LOL. Not gonna happen but funny to think about.
Just imagine AC adapters going for $50 each on eBay.
Glad I have 2 adapters on the way (for me and my wife, for our pre-ordered New XL's) just in case! =P
Wildarmsjecht
Member
There's people who are saying "its okay, leave Nintendo Alone!_ they're only trying to help you!"
The thread will continue as long as that mentality exists.
I'm still upset about the no charger. Hoping they change their mind before launch and give a voucher or something.
Because people are seriously that upset about it. Don't ask my why but not including an $8 charger is apparently blatanly anti-consumer and the whole company needs to burn for it.
If Nintendo even dares to try to make a few extra bucks consumers are being taken advantage of. Not to mention they fact the fact they are obviously turning such a massive profit that saving a few million dollars is unneeded.
TheSlySoul
Member
Pretty much and agree. I doubt we will see anything before the launch, but hoping E3 brings some news.
Edit: Thanks, the show is pretty cute and funny. Here it is: http://www.crunchyroll.com/polar-bear-cafe
A lot of people are upset that a company is trying to make more money. The no-charger basically boils down to these things:
* Money. They cost money to put in and lots of people have their old ones lying around and don't need another.
* E-waste laws in the EU put penalties for stuff like chargers in electronics. It's part of the reason for the push for universal phone chargers in the EU. I'm not certain but JP might have similar laws which would explain no chargers there either.
* Parity of SKUs in all regions. Having two separate SKUs with the charger being the sole difference is more complicated than just one.
If the $8 a charger will cost breaks it for you then don't buy it.
* Money. They cost money to put in and lots of people have their old ones lying around and don't need another.
* E-waste laws in the EU put penalties for stuff like chargers in electronics. It's part of the reason for the push for universal phone chargers in the EU. I'm not certain but JP might have similar laws which would explain no chargers there either.
* Parity of SKUs in all regions. Having two separate SKUs with the charger being the sole difference is more complicated than just one.
If the $8 a charger will cost breaks it for you then don't buy it.
Wildarmsjecht
Member
Off topic, but fuck me your Avatar is just so damn badass looking and I have no idea why.
People want the charger.
Yes, we know Nintendo is trying to make money and isn't in the best economic situation. Why should we care? We don't make a dime off of their profits. If their approach results in a lesser product, then we will voice our opinion and choose not to buy it.
Perhaps you forgot that you aren't a Nintendo stock holder.
March of the Crabs
Member
People take their chargers very seriously. Pretty shitty on Nintendo but people are in here saying they'll never purchase a Nintendo system again due to an 8$ charger...
EDIT: Also, the n3DS XL is going for $329.99 here in Canada, so bumping the price to $209.99 for adding a charger wouldn't be too weird of a price. Food for thought.
EDIT: Also, the n3DS XL is going for $329.99 here in Canada, so bumping the price to $209.99 for adding a charger wouldn't be too weird of a price. Food for thought.