Sho_Nuff82
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That article by Reannon could have definitely lightened up on the shade-throwing, but I think her overall point is that there is definitely role reversal for American men and women in Japan.
Nearly 50 per cent of Japanese adults 'not having sex'
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There was a certain level of sarcasm that you may have missed. I'm just saying my wife completely felt ignored in Japan as apposed to North America. The guys I spoke to and talked to and this in no way is a reflection of the nation just my personal observation. Seemed to feel that local women where not worth any serious effort as far as a relationship and foreign girl was not even considered.
I remember watching the Vice special on this a few months ago... It's not just being overworked, they have legitimately turned off their interest in mating with the opposite sex. They have either turned off or are ignoring the very basic instinct of sexual attraction and desire.
It's an absolutely fascinating social phenomena, one that will be studied for years to come.
It's an absolutely fascinating social phenomena, one that will be studied for years to come.
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This is really just not the case. I mean, maybe it's the case for a small segment, but not the majority. It's not like people have zero sex drive in Japan. It's just that a lot of them are finding it not worth the effort to pursue relationships or sexual encounters with a permanent partner.
None of the Japanese guys I knew ever considered dating a foreign girl. My wife gets attention in North America she is an attractive extroverted person. In Japan she got none. No Japanese guy ever hit on her or flirted with her the entire time she was in the country. Its just an observation.
From all observation I have had Japanese women are considered far more submissive and easy to deal with then foreign women. If Japanese men are losing interest in Japanese women because its to much hassle then a foreign women would be absurd.
It's possible that the people who were followed in that segment don' represent the population at large, but from what I saw it seems that males have given up on sexual interaction all together, and would rather have 'virtual' girl friends. And they didn't give up due to exasperation with the dating scene- They just aren't interested. I'll try to find a link to the video.
I suspect your video is bad science, I was there ten years ago but unless the entire country has done an immediate about face this is silly. Being in Japan as a married man was the hardest period of my life. Sex is everywhere it is culturally completely different but I can not imagine anyone that spend any amount of time there to believe otherwise.
BBC did a great documentary on this
I hate this so much because that's Nene not Rinko, so using those gifs in a row is like totally wrong. v_v
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It's Vice, man.
They go out of their way to find stuff like that. It's all about getting the gritty, vulgar, and ridiculous.
whatever77
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Are we supposed to know what "Nene not Rinko" is? Can you translate your comment into English?
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Seems pretty obvious to me if you read the subtitles in the gif he quoted.
terrisus
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It is in English, and fully explained and understandable.
Or is it just fun to make fun of Japanese names?
Princess Carl
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you should probably go back to school since you are failing very basic reading skills.
terrisus
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You don't have to "imagine" - just read through this thread.
Peruvian? Inca Cola is sofaken good, always killed that stuff when I visited Peru
Here is to hoping they stay away if that's their intention. Don't come to Japan to take advantage. Nobody needs another Julien Blanc.
If they can't get laid in their own country, then they have a problem.
This thread gets more silly and gross by the pages.
Yep, Peruvian born and raised. Glad to know you loved our flagship soda
Just like Guile's theme, it goes with everything.
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I can only speak anecdotally, but a lot of the single guys I know claim to just not have the time. They are usually in their mid-to-late twenties and want to focus on their careers. You hear the same thing from women who are working professionals.
Even many of the couples I do know who aren't living together maybe get to see each other once a week if they're lucky. When you're so damn busy and tired all the time and you also want to have time for your friends, it becomes quite difficult to get motivated for a romantic relationship.
Out of curiosity is this just your wife or are NA women in general that absurdly entitled?darscot said:
Mind you I find it amusing someone says they get a lack of attention in Japan as a tourist, which alongside Korea is one of the two places where customers get dramatically more attention/better service than virtually anywhere else in the world (to the point of ROW feeling rude in comparison if you stay long enough in those countries) - but granted - that treatment does not generally single out people by gender/looks/etc.
YesNOnoNOYes
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Well, I can only speak anecdotally, but I do not share his wife's experience when I was in Japan.
Everywhere I go people were super nice and helpful. Even went out of their ways to make sure that I am not invisible. Guys were friendly but terribly polite to a point of a fault. Not sure about doors being held opened and stuff. I cant recall every and each instances, but I remembered that they were usually held open for everyone who are passing through, be it men or women.
But then again, I'm not Caucasian, so I don't know if my experience is equivalent... :x
LUFTRAUSER
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I don't even get it. I was going to apologize for laying it on a little thick earlier, but when I see some of these new posts, I just...
Look at this:
I make a post about how an entire culture has largely isolated itself from the world stage, and what's his takeaway? Consumer electronics!? Advanced hardware is one of the few things that makes Japan relevant.
Or look at this post:
Japanese women seem, to me at least, so submissive that it's a turn off; actually, it's out-right unsettling. Someone earlier said that I sounded like I was from 1945, but one thing I'm very modern about is gender roles, and the concept of a guy dating a woman so that she'll "take good care of" him is one of the most pathetic things I've ever heard. And if Japanese men think that, in spite of all this, Japanese women are still too much work... well, what else do they want?
I, believe it or not, tried to be civil, but this thread is...
This. Shit. Right. Here.Japan is cool & the people (most of them) are cooler & the women well.
Did you say that there are millions of Japanese women going without sex?
Who wouldn't want to live here?
I can't. Fucking. Stand it.
This guy's post is like a parody, but it's real. You otakus seem to have this mentality that anyone who criticizes your warped perception of reality is an idiot. You can't even fathom why anyone would think it's weird.
And you know what? I understand weird subcultures. I'm a fucking furry. But you what else? Furries don't do shit like this. Furries haven't taken over western animation and turned it into a parody of itself. Furries don't constantly shitpost in other threads about how great furry culture is. If a person told me furries were weird, I'd agree. We are. And what I certainly wouldn't do is post a picture of a fur con and say, "Who wouldn't want to be here?"
Because the sad thing is, anime was way better than western animation. Was. But it has been completely taken over by the otaku demographic. Japanese videogames are the same way. You guys probably think I hate Japanese stuff, but the fact it, I don't. Japan has some of the most talented artists in the world; hell, they even have furries there too, and their work is way better than the western artwork.
What I hate is seeing all this talent wither away, to see an entire nation of talented, intelligent people fade, and then?
I come into this thread and see a lot of weeaboos who think that because they have been to Japan a few times, that they're right and I'm wrong, and everything will be okay. And what do they show me? What do they value the most? Otaku stuff. Because that's all Japan is to them. Because they think that the entire creative output of a country being devoted to this shit while the country itself dies is A-OK.
So I'm sorry. I really am. I never should have said anything. Because it is pretty clear that it isn't worth my time. I actually take time to right my posts. I try to foster discussion; this is a forum, after all. But if all I'm going to get out of is a short, snippy reply from someone who barely read my posts or, even worse, a fucking gif, then fuck it.
speculawyer
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I don't understand why people view this as such a tragedy. So what if their population is flat or goes down a little?
It is a pretty crowded place as is . . . so a bit of a population reduction wouldn't be so bad.
Japan is fine. Granted, they may have some demographic problems but they'll make adjustments and deal with it.
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You really don't know a goddamn thing about what you're writing do you?
Please elaborate on how Japan has isolated itself from the world stage compared to the past. That's completely absurd. The country is more open than it ever has been. It's become more involved in world politics and issues than it ever was many decades ago.
I think you should really take the sentiment that you're being ridiculous to heart. I'm sure you'd rather just dismiss the many people disagreeing with you as Japan loving Otaku or something, though, despite that not being the case at all. You've already demonstrated a propensity for being quite self-centered and ignoring reality in favor how you think things are.
How about you take a look at who is posting what? It's really not the same people. I understand that can be hard to see when you're busy having a fit and playing up the victim.
John Kowalski
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dako dako Rinko buga buga oi oi Nene niii
LUFTRAUSER
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I'm aware. And while money does speak more than culture to many people, it doesn't to me right now. It is weird that I seem to be the only one that is seriously upset by this.
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terrisus
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I read this as "Tokyo has the world's third largest sock exchange."
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I blame playing HuniePop yesterday
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I hate to break it to you, but you don't matter. At all.
None of us really do individually.
I'll try to stay on topic but I have a few questions to anyone that has prior experience living in Japan and having casual relationships with Japanese women.
Before that though, I was talking about this study with a Japanese exchange student that i had a casual relationship with this last semester. She's 21 and a very cute/desirable young woman and many of my guy friends this last semester were interested in her as well but she was pretty loyal to me. She said that in Japan, they are rather shy to talk about sex and related things, but she felt more comfortable with her sexuality being in America and having a sexual relationship with an American guy.
Reason i brought that up is because I'm going to Japan in a few days to stay there for the whole semester as a foreign exchange student. Reading this study and some of the comments have me curious to what talking to Japanese girls my age (I'm 21) will be like. I am a good looking Spanish male, about 6 feet tall, and I'm pretty charismatic. My Japanese is rough (2 semesters worth) but i can speak enough and will be attending a school where foreign students go to learn Japanese, and Japanese students that go there go to learn English (with most having much superior English skills when compared to my Japanese skills).
To get into the questions i wanted to ask, do Japanese women in universities not interested in sex like some suggest in this thread? Or will i be fine as im not afraid to talk to women and approach them confidently?
I was told by my Japanese friend that i will be very desirable when i go there but then this thread came up and stared to make me worry 😂
Before that though, I was talking about this study with a Japanese exchange student that i had a casual relationship with this last semester. She's 21 and a very cute/desirable young woman and many of my guy friends this last semester were interested in her as well but she was pretty loyal to me. She said that in Japan, they are rather shy to talk about sex and related things, but she felt more comfortable with her sexuality being in America and having a sexual relationship with an American guy.
Reason i brought that up is because I'm going to Japan in a few days to stay there for the whole semester as a foreign exchange student. Reading this study and some of the comments have me curious to what talking to Japanese girls my age (I'm 21) will be like. I am a good looking Spanish male, about 6 feet tall, and I'm pretty charismatic. My Japanese is rough (2 semesters worth) but i can speak enough and will be attending a school where foreign students go to learn Japanese, and Japanese students that go there go to learn English (with most having much superior English skills when compared to my Japanese skills).
To get into the questions i wanted to ask, do Japanese women in universities not interested in sex like some suggest in this thread? Or will i be fine as im not afraid to talk to women and approach them confidently?
I was told by my Japanese friend that i will be very desirable when i go there but then this thread came up and stared to make me worry 😂
YesNOnoNOYes
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You seem to be a little too affected by this, Aeo :<
I just want to comment on the 'submissive' image of Japanese women. It's a gross stereotype.
That is all.
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We're fucked when they invade
LoveCake
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Hmm sorry you feel that way :/ i have always thought of Japan being really cool & i would love to visit one day, the people seem really nice & the cities are all clean & tidy, the Japanese people take pride in their country & surroundings, some of the cities are like cities of the future.
This if NeoGaf, i have always loved games & the odd bit of anime & yes i do find Japanese women attractive, here in the UK everywhere is dull, dank & dingy, but Japan is all colorful & bright, it seems that is should be a positive place & a good place to bring up children, but it seems that it isn't.
What member here on Gaf wouldn't want to visit Akihabara or even live a stones throw from it?
YesNOnoNOYes
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I would say you have nothing to worry about :> Bolded parts will ensure you doing fine over there.
And, lol Zefah. Karisumaman desu~
Edit: oh and listen to bunny! GRADES BE IMPORTANT YO!
LUFTRAUSER
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That's not true. I matter to me. I matter to my friends. I matter to my family. I matter enough for you to respond to my thoughts.
Humans are not some nameless mass of units. We're individuals. We all have dreams, right? Goals? That's what really gets to me. Japan is becoming less like this. The country seems to be losing its humanity. Increasingly, Japanese people are becoming so apathetic they don't even want to date. They don't even want to have sex! It's frightening. And you guys are so cynical you don't even care.
Am I wrong for wanting to be an individual? To be passionate about things like this?
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The problem is that you're using your own personal perception of things to make arguments about an entire country and culture despite being factually wrong on many fronts. When you respond to being called out for a factually incorrect statement by saying "well that's how I see it" or whatever, it becomes difficult to continue having a conversation.
LUFTRAUSER
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Well I feel the same way about what you're saying.
This never gets old.
I don't know, but I wanted to tell you have fun in Japan! Try not to make banging Japanese women / being desirable to Japanese women your main priority, imho
GRADES. GET GOOD GRADES.
It's going to be hard to focus on my grades when 2 out of my 4 classes are interesting but joke classes when it comes to difficulty (a anime and popular tv class and a modern culture class) and my other two classes are Japanese language courses in which my ability to better learn the language will be very dependent on my interactions with Japanese people (and I happen to prefer women in almost every situation).
But thanks for the advice, I will try.
Zoe
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I'm not Caucasian, though obviously not Japanese, and I did feel invisible for the most part, so...
I wouldn't call the things he described as "expecting attention"--more like southern hospitality kind of actions.
Gonzo The Great
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Incredible post.
With the advent of virtual reality, I fear that Western society will become more like Japan over time. The inevitable outcome of both situations is scary to think about.
striferser
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Hmm, interesting.
Overworking really does kill your sex mood. Not to mention the stress and all that pressure. This happen on both male and female as well.
Oh yeah, for office worker, spending time with co-worker, drinking till late night probably cause that as well. Does it still happen? Social drinking after working? And accompanying bosst during free time?
Well damn...
Overworking really does kill your sex mood. Not to mention the stress and all that pressure. This happen on both male and female as well.
Oh yeah, for office worker, spending time with co-worker, drinking till late night probably cause that as well. Does it still happen? Social drinking after working? And accompanying bosst during free time?
from article said:
Well damn...
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LUFTRAUSER
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I wouldn't. To me, Akihabara represents one of the worst aspects of Japanese culture, and I resent the fact that it is spread to the point that people who have grown up outside of Japan think that it is something desirable or worth of emulation, because:
That is what it represents to me. The complete shutting-out of reality in favor of fiction. As I've stated earlier in this thread, I'm a political science student. But I wasn't originally. When I first started college, I was a computer science major, but I left it. You're probably wondering why I'd do that. I mean, compared to a programmer, a politician isn't a "real" job. But you know what I noticed? You know what a lot of this programmers were going to work on? Video games. The internet. VR.
And I decided that I'd rather have a fake job trying to fix the flawed real world than a real job building the perfect fake one.
I'm angry because this apathetic mentality isn't just in Japan, though they have the worst of it. It's everywhere, and it's spreading, and that terrifies me. It terrifies me that, after having written multiple lengthy posts that go into great and personal detail about why I feel the way I do, people are still asking why. It's like you're not even reading my posts. It's like I'm talking to no one.
And in a way, I'm not. Technically I'm just sitting here in front of a screen typing out my thoughts. This isn't a real conversation. This isn't real human contact. I don't even know what it is.
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Looks like someone who used to be into Japanese media/pop culture but is saddened by the direction in which it has gone in recent years. Can't say I disagree with him if that's the case. I can't stand all of the moe/loli stuff and groups like AKB48 that have become more and more prominent.
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