tis a sad day for melee
Here's hoping Hbox, PP and M2K go hard and try to keep Falco, Marth, Sheik and Jiggs alive.
also thank god for Amsa keeping Yoshi alive.
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tis a sad day for melee
Here's hoping Hbox, PP and M2K go hard and try to keep Falco, Marth, Sheik and Jiggs alive.
also thank god for Amsa keeping Yoshi alive.
theprodigy
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no just copy PAL version, except restore characters like Ganondorf that were inexplicably nerfed to their NTSC versions
Professor Beef
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If Nintendo did a rebalance with a hypothetical Melee HD, I'd be willing to put actual money on the line that it would get rejected and people would stick with regular Melee.
Yeah pretty much just this. PAL Melee is way better balanced and fixes a lot of the really stupid stuff (aka Fox Usmash KOing as early as it does)
It's too bad that not since Isai has there really been a Falcon competing at the top level. SS, Darkrain, Hax and now S2J have come close, but they all had flaws in their game that prevented them from reaching the top. I think that character has potential with the right player behind him.
too bad his recovery fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks
honestly after this weekend it feels like Pikachu and Yoshi are better than Falcon in this perfect Fox-dominated meta game. How can Falcon with his shitty ass recovery compete with someone like Leffen or Mango? Falcon need an Amsa or Axe to show me.
I feel like Melee HD would be risky. Anything they change could mess it up. And I feel like an imperfect or bad Melee HD could kill Melee faster, rather than save it.
I definitely wouldn't want most of the PAL changes. Maybe just a shorter up B for Fox. But nerfs to Marth, Falco, Sheik (and anyone lower)? Meh, get it out. Ideally they leave the top 5ish and buff some other characters. Especially if they can buff them in a way that leads them to more/cooler combos, rather than just frame safe or high damage shenanigans.
NipplesAndToes23
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Whoever thought a chimp would be the best character in Smash?
theprodigy
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that clutch
even though he lost game 5 of the first set of grand finals
He has the best platformer of all time.
It's only fair he goes for the fighting games next.
NipplesAndToes23
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Did they change Falcon's move in 4 because he had the same recovery options as Fox in Brawl.
Yes, and that's sad. So I'll continue pulling for Axe and aMSa! And I hope Hungrybox doesn't change to Fox, that Jigglypuff changes things up after 20XX sets.
Kotaku giving some well-deserved exposure to the Leffen storyline.
Hungrybox not switching to Fox, lol:
https://twitter.com/LiquidHbox/status/562340672993517568
Leffen potentially ruffling feathers. I mean, I don't think he's wrong here:
https://twitter.com/L3ff3n/status/562342630894632960
I can totally imagine Hungrybox going for this bait tho
Hungrybox not switching to Fox, lol:
https://twitter.com/LiquidHbox/status/562340672993517568
Leffen potentially ruffling feathers. I mean, I don't think he's wrong here:
https://twitter.com/L3ff3n/status/562342630894632960
https://twitter.com/L3ff3n/status/562343363010367488
Except he put PP below Mango. Yeah, right.
I can totally imagine Hungrybox going for this bait tho
Beelzebufo
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So was there ever an announcement from Nintendo?
No, it was an awards ceremony that was in that "announcements" time slot. It was awards handed to community members for the recognition of the work they did for the community.
Holy Order Sol
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Good.
Juggleguy, D1, TorontoJoe, and Tafokints.
https://twitter.com/progducto/status/562102540582780930 <---- the tweet
Kotaku giving some well-deserved exposure to the Leffen storyline.
Hungrybox not switching to Fox, lol:
https://twitter.com/LiquidHbox/status/562340672993517568
Leffen potentially ruffling feathers. I mean, I don't think he's wrong here:
https://twitter.com/L3ff3n/status/562342630894632960
https://twitter.com/L3ff3n/status/562343363010367488
Except he put PP below Mango. Yeah, right.
I can totally imagine Hungrybox going for this bait tho
Should probably wait until he wins a major like M2K and Hbox have before he starts talking.
Beelzebufo
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Oh. Well that's lame haha. Didn't they hype it up as something big, or was that just posters who did that?
I hope these losses push Mango and Leffen well past the satisfaction of the current Smash Pantheon. Mango the Busta of all Time, and Leffen who still has Gods to overpower convincingly. I don't think Mango has had the true "fire" in him in a long time. I hope to see more from PP's Marth, I think he's better than M2K in neutral but he dropped alot of edgeguards + combos which could put his Marth on that level.
Kotaku giving some well-deserved exposure to the Leffen storyline.
Hungrybox not switching to Fox, lol:
https://twitter.com/LiquidHbox/status/562340672993517568
Leffen potentially ruffling feathers. I mean, I don't think he's wrong here:
https://twitter.com/L3ff3n/status/562342630894632960
https://twitter.com/L3ff3n/status/562343363010367488
Except he put PP below Mango. Yeah, right.
I can totally imagine Hungrybox going for this bait tho
hbox just won paragon 2 weeks ago lol
It's been a while for M2K though. Only recent one I can think of is Big House 3. True though, outside of Beast he hasn't shown that he can do it himself. And any of them are still capable of winning majors for sure. It feels like Hbox would have to dodge Mango and Leffen though, and M2K would have to dodge PP and Armada to have a shot. I was mostly just agreeing with his ranking though.
You'll enjoy it then. PPMD is incredible. Also as far as Marth matches, it's not in top 8, but check out PewpewU's set vs Hungrybox. Exemplary play for that matchup.
Ever since we saw Mango briefly stop trying in like.... 2010-ish, and Armada retire in 2013... it feels like they aren't playing at their best anymore, barely trying. Even though they're clearly both trying pretty hard now.
I'm glad we're getting some more mixup in the balance of power now. Watching Mango Armada play in grand finals every major started to get a touch routine.
Kotaku giving some well-deserved exposure to the Leffen storyline.
Hungrybox not switching to Fox, lol:
https://twitter.com/LiquidHbox/status/562340672993517568
Leffen potentially ruffling feathers. I mean, I don't think he's wrong here:
https://twitter.com/L3ff3n/status/562342630894632960
https://twitter.com/L3ff3n/status/562343363010367488
Except he put PP below Mango. Yeah, right.
I can totally imagine Hungrybox going for this bait tho
So humble.
Kotaku giving some well-deserved exposure to the Leffen storyline.
Hungrybox not switching to Fox, lol:
https://twitter.com/LiquidHbox/status/562340672993517568
Leffen potentially ruffling feathers. I mean, I don't think he's wrong here:
https://twitter.com/L3ff3n/status/562342630894632960
https://twitter.com/L3ff3n/status/562343363010367488
Except he put PP below Mango. Yeah, right.
I can totally imagine Hungrybox going for this bait tho
He's beaten M2K once. Lmao.
M2K is the most inconsistent one of the six, but when he is consistent not even try hard Mang0 is guaranteed to win.
Posters, speculation for the most part. Honestly the way it was slotted in the schedule made people think it was Nintendo-related or an announcement of sorts. They really should have called it "Awards Ceremony" but I guess they wanted to surprise people who got the awards. I take some of the blame for making the speculation but I wasn't alone in it, tons of people in the community thought the same.
I still think M2K in top form/mindset is the best in the world by far.
I strongly dislike PAL Melee. Ya the Fox nerfs are nice, but the nerfs to every other character are ridiculous and unnecessary.
I strongly dislike PAL Melee. Ya the Fox nerfs are nice, but the nerfs to every other character are ridiculous and unnecessary.
Kotaku giving some well-deserved exposure to the Leffen storyline.
Hungrybox not switching to Fox, lol:
https://twitter.com/LiquidHbox/status/562340672993517568
Leffen potentially ruffling feathers. I mean, I don't think he's wrong here:
https://twitter.com/L3ff3n/status/562342630894632960
https://twitter.com/L3ff3n/status/562343363010367488
Except he put PP below Mango. Yeah, right.
I can totally imagine Hungrybox going for this bait tho
Leffen isn't that unreasonable.
https://twitter.com/L3ff3n/status/562346120148684800
Should have just pulled an all-nighter.I saw that. I actually saw the first match or two of Top 8, too, but I had to go to bed then.
I was at a viewing party until singles ended... then had to drive an hour home. Then get up for work at 7. Rough Monday today.
I saw that. I actually saw the first match or two of Top 8, too, but I had to go to bed then.
Pretty much all of the top 8 matches are worth watching... lots of great matches and moments.
As an aside, I think I spent less than 10 minutes watching the superbowl... when I switched from the Melee stream the superbowl just looked so slow in comparison... Most of that time was the half time show anyway.
Oh, same time zone as Apex. So East Coast. All in all, I ended up with 2-2.5. Not that bad I guess, but hard to wake up.
I used to be fine on a couple hours, but these days it's starting to hit me harder.
Bifuteki
Slept less than 3 hours and am already awake for 17 again.
Pulling such days is fine like twice in a row but eventually, it will take its toll. I hope I will be able to keep this up for a while/a few more years. Luckily, my productivity isn't suffering because of that.
Well, you managed and that's what counts. It was worth it and it will be worth it again.
Thank you!
Love Armada but seeing him "dropping" Peach makes me sad
Nothing against Fox players but seeing them in Grand Finals, mirror matches, team mirror matches, everywhere is getting boring for me. Armada picking him up is just
But good luck for his future. A top player like him cant do wrong with Fox.
Nothing against Fox players but seeing them in Grand Finals, mirror matches, team mirror matches, everywhere is getting boring for me. Armada picking him up is just
But good luck for his future. A top player like him cant do wrong with Fox.
So worth it. I'm in NC, so the hype was real.
Their play was astounding, no doubt. It just felt like the tournaments for a while was boiling down to basically those two players. Seemed like for a while it was likely for them to play in winner's finals, and grand finals (usually with a reset too). And after a few tournaments of that, it was like, I hope I don't see a Mango/AR gfs. Not at all because they aren't good, just looking for change.Peléo;150321317 said:
I especially loved the way they built it up at MLG though. That kind of fanfare made it even more exciting for me.
With the lack of any kind of announcements of more support for the competitive scene, I doubt anything like this will ever happen.
I'm of the mindset that all official Nintendo support is only coming from a few passionate folks at Nintendo of America. They helped with setups for Apex. They'll do stuff like that but that's it. Japan probably doesn't give any shits. They will release Mewtwo for Smash 4, and maybe nerf a bunch more characters at that time (because no fighting game designer has ever realized that buffs are better than nerfs), and that will be the last time they touch it. The head staff members will move on to other projects.
Maybe if they made fox garbage
or did a terrible job balancing. I honestly think most people would give it an honest try before deciding to stick to OG melee.This would be my ideal scenario. I think if they used smash 4 assets, a remake for the Wii U's successor would be good since Sakurai should be done with smash now and they could use it as platform to groom his successor. Well thats my fantasy anyway.
hydragonwarrior
Member
Melee HD should happen eventually and remain untouched (i.e. don't let Sakurai near it, if possible lol)
Why? Well... no new blood for starters. You want more new players to join in and keep the game alive with new competition.
Why? Well... no new blood for starters. You want more new players to join in and keep the game alive with new competition.
I mean, Nintendo could play it incredibly safe if they were smart and essentially pull a Windwaker HD, but with even less mechanical improvements. If they were smart they'd realize that would be an easy cash grab for them, since Melee clearly will keep growing.
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