What exactly am I misreading here? Sounds like you're saying he's not a "hardcore" Halo fan unless he ignores the failure of MCC and buys Halo 5 at full price. The next Halo game is going to be from 343i too...
Has 343 Industries redeemed themselves with Halo:MCC
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What exactly am I misreading here? Sounds like you're saying he's not a "hardcore" Halo fan unless he ignores the failure of MCC and buys Halo 5 at full price. The next Halo game is going to be from 343i too...
RoyalLaFlame
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They have no clue what they're doing with Halo besides tarnishing the brand.
They killed it. They killed my favorite franchise of all time. Glad I've got to play all those Bungie Halos.
Man, I feel sad now but you're right
Somebody in another thread posted an analogy which I think perfectly sums up the situation with 343i and their inability to make a good Halo game.
343i is made up of developers who all claim to be massive Halo fans. Take your favorite band, and replace all the band members with people who are just really hardcore fans of the band. It's not going to be the same band, and it's certainly not going to be anywhere as good.
343i is made up of developers who all claim to be massive Halo fans. Take your favorite band, and replace all the band members with people who are just really hardcore fans of the band. It's not going to be the same band, and it's certainly not going to be anywhere as good.
Is Halo MCC not fixed? I decided to wait until it was fixed and then I forgot about it entirely since Christmas. I definately won't buy Halo 5 until I hear what kind of issue it may or may not have.
Thanks for the bump. Good Sunday reading.
edit: or Monday or whatever. I'm sick and whatever leave me alone
Thanks for the bump. Good Sunday reading.
edit: or Monday or whatever. I'm sick and whatever leave me alone
Garrett 2U
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Except in the case with 343, the fans are professional developers.
A more apt comparison would be a band covering another band's song.
PeregrinSe7en
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had to reword that for you
Talent is not the issue I don't think. Designers generally don't decide to ship broken, poorly thought out games. Managers do.
Narpas Sword0
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No, it's not.
As bad as this sounds, I agree. While playing the Halo 5 beta, there was so many 'wow thought moments' that came in my head e.g., a ton of boxes all over to clamber or the LONG runaway on top of Truth, and how bad that map is, and it's a remake, that I was thinking, they really have no clue what makes Halo, Halo. The series really seems alien now.
Pathfinder
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But there is no guarantee Halo 5 will have MCC's problems.
And I'm not saying anyone should ignore anything. You're getting overly emotional and putting words into my mouth. MCC is a wreck, there's no denying it, and people have the right to vent their frustrations and be angry about it.
But shutting oneself off from future Halo gaming endeavors because of one broken game doesn't really fit the definition of being a hardcore fan. That's just how I feel.
Garrett 2U
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I think the issue is they outsource too much and it just doesn't come together well.
Jack Scofield
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It's seems like every 343 release has bunch of people making excuses for the game's problems. "It's not 343's fault, Halo 4 was limited by the 360's old technology!" "It's not 343's fault, Halo: MCC was outsourced to different companies!"
Can't wait for the excuse for why Halo 5 has problems.
Can't wait for the excuse for why Halo 5 has problems.
RoyalLaFlame
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But I think we can all agree they're trying. But I think trying is not enough when you have a big franchise as Halo, especially after seeing how good Bungie Halos are. This franchise defined what Xbox is today, giving it to a group of people that know nothing about what makes Halo what it is... of course it's destined to fail.
Assembling a team like this (with all due respect for everyone at 343i) to take care of a franchise so big is stupid, MS. Money talks higher and the rush to put a new Halo game on the market did this. And don't even get me started on those mobile games and series. They prefer to "flood" the market with low quality Halo products (imo of course) than to release something with more quality - yes, Foward Unto Dawn and Nightfall were mediocre, same with Spartan Assault.
I really can't say what's next for Halo. My love for this franchise died the moment I played Halo 4.
I mean this in the literal sense: Can you find one person, anywhere, who thought Halo 4 had core issues because its technology was flawed due to the limitations of the Xbox 360?
He said he was waiting til the price drop. At the point it'd be possible to hear impressions about the quality of the game too.
Sounds like being a smart consumer to me.
Pathfinder
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Actually, he said "bargain bin", which signifies he doesn't want 343i to get any money from him for the game at all. Sort of like sticking it to them.
Not the same thing as a price drop.
We're just arguing semantics at this point, so let's just agree to disagree.
I see you understand my pain as a Rare fan
Microsoft killed my favorite franchise (Banjo) long ago.LapinAgile
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It's a slap in the face to every fan who started with the series day one. It shows incompetence and a perceived lack of respect for the history of the series that is responsible for their studio existing.As for future Halos, I let actions speak for themselves and don't sweep things under the rug just because I am a fan. They have the recipe for Halo and they used the microwave instead of cooking it properly.
So true...sad, but true.
Leyasu
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I'm sorry, but I am glad bungie are no longer at the helm. Halo ce and 2 were great, but it it went down hill rapidly afterwards. And after destiny.....
Disagree all you want, but that beta was some of the best halo that I have played. Although there are certain things I want to see in the game before I buy it, For me personally, it has the potential to be a great halo game.
Disagree all you want, but that beta was some of the best halo that I have played. Although there are certain things I want to see in the game before I buy it, For me personally, it has the potential to be a great halo game.
Unknown One
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Jet nailed it, I never thought of it like that and it makes sense.
thekiddfran
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TheBaronOfNA
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I think is a little different being a fan of a sport team than being a fan of a videogame franchise.
This is obvious, because they've shown they can't even make awesome games that someone else made first.
JimiNutz
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I agree.
I don't really want to defend 343i because what happened with MCC was a disgrace and almost put me off the Halo franchise for life, but goddamn Halo 5 beta was so good, almost all is forgiven.
I'm still hesitant to buy another 343 game at launch but if Halo 5 launches without any issue I will certainly be handing over my money. Halo 5 def has potential to be the best Halo game since Halo 2 or 3. Certainly expecting it to be better than Reach.
One massive technical oversight is not enough to come to this conclusion. There's no correlation between financial incentives of studio creation and a matchmaking architecture which didn't show it's ugly face until production release. It should of been tested better yes, it should of had a beta, but that doesn't mean that this studio simply pumped this out full well knowing.
Since Phil Spencer was the head of MS Studios during 343i's creation, he must be the 'exec' your referring to. As we all know, he seems like a very advocate gamer him self. Also consider the amount of ex-Halo people who joined 343i, and the passion that the developers/designers/testers/engineers all have.
This release will of really hurt those guys personally, I really don't doubt that.
Such a shame it's broken and still is...
There are still a few issues with Halo: MCC so it's not there yet but it's OK.
I can get into multiplayer matches (before December I hadn't been able to get into a single game) but sometimes it takes a while to get into one and the wait between games is a bit long.
I think they also need to sort out the frame rate on Halo 4 and get it closer to 60fps most of the time.
I can get into multiplayer matches (before December I hadn't been able to get into a single game) but sometimes it takes a while to get into one and the wait between games is a bit long.
I think they also need to sort out the frame rate on Halo 4 and get it closer to 60fps most of the time.
Man this is so true, and so sad. What's even more sad is that Bungie themselves are turning into something frightfully similar.
Halo 4 was average and their first game halo CE remaster on 360 was garbage to. Not exactly one game.
Jet is right. 343 is not bungie and halo is not the same halo anymore. The same goes to the rest of ip's ms have. I still don't know how people have faith in things like the next GoW game or the next Rare project, epic is no longer developing GoW and Rare is not the same Rare of before... Hopefully Crackdown will be good but Idk.
Context?
That's an article which explains how the spectating options are tailored to e-sports and mentions nothing related to game play.
NaDannMaGoGo
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^
Isn't that graph's context as self-evident as it gets?
Isn't that graph's context as self-evident as it gets?
1) you said one techincal mess. The reality is that people have come to Jets conclusion because of one technical mess AND an awful entry (Halo 4) what more do you need to realize they have no idea what made Halo popular? ADS in Halo 5......oh
2) jet mentioned that Halo is designed to chase the esport scene (CODs domain), here is an article that says so. Even Shiobi's contact said that they're doubling down on the esports
Was that so hard for you?
He really seems to be having trouble, isn't he?
This just feels wrong. Microsoft basically has you in their pocket. Why do you feel the need to aligne yourself to a company no matter what they are doing? What is your incentive? I don't get this attitude.
hardcore schmardcore. Who gives a fuck?
Narpas Sword0
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It did show its face before release. It was broken at a tournament hosted by 343 before release and they also cut a ton of playlists a couple weeks before release. The fact that it released in this state is absolutely correllated to corporate demands.
Also matchmaking is not the only problem. You can fall through the fucking floor in single player in this game, lose your saves, fail to get achievements, expose placeholder code in the menus, menus overlap, all your profile setting reset, preset controller options result in two buttons doing the same thing, latency, no dedicated servers, random frame rate drops in single player, parties fail even for co op modes, Forge missing features, using original Halo 3 map variants instead of the ones that got rid of shit spawns, etc etc
You can unplug your XBox from the internet and still have a real shit time with this game thanks to outright lies from the developers and glitches that have nothing to do with online connection.
Halo 4 wasn't a technical mess, it worked. The gameplay evolved into something that the community didn't like, or I, which reflects in the graph you posted. That doesn't at any way reflect the issues which they have in MCC.1) you said one techincal mess. The reality is that people have come to Jets conclusion because of one technical mess AND an awful entry (Halo 4) what more do you need to realize they have no idea what made Halo popular? ADS in Halo 5......oh
2) jet mentioned that Halo is designed to chase the esport scene (CODs domain), here is an article that says so. Even Shiobi's contact said that they're doubling down on the esports
Was that so hard for you?
He really seems to be having trouble, isn't he?
Halo 5 is becoming widely accepted as a great evolution, but we're not talking about opinion of gameplay here.
I feel like you think I'm defending the gameplay decisions, which I'm not. What you guys are saying is that due to 343i simply being a cash cow company, they failed to create a matchmaking system. Which makes no sense.
I'll just stay here, trying hard to understand what your saying with graphs with no explanation to why you've posted them.
He is saying you can't sit at the cool table unless you blindly throw your money away.
Which is exactly what Microsoft wants.
My idea? MP free to everyone for two days, after that you have to pay money for the license. If the game doesn't work, people won't buy it. Should be fine due to the power of...
SneakyStephan
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OP of this thread is hilarious 
RoyalLaFlame
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I do and it fucking sucks.I see you understand my pain as a Rare fan
But for some reason, I still have hope Halo 5 will be good.
http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/halo-the-master-chief-collection/critic-reviews
How can anyone trust the media/reviewers? Look at the 90s and 100s. How can these people sleep at night? Were they blinded by all the bling they thought they were getting and completely ignored that the game was unplayable in a lot of regards?
Sad.
How can anyone trust the media/reviewers? Look at the 90s and 100s. How can these people sleep at night? Were they blinded by all the bling they thought they were getting and completely ignored that the game was unplayable in a lot of regards?
Sad.
The game was played at a review event in a controlled environment. That's why they didn't run into the issues the general public faced.
No one had a review copy in their office to play and test, and form opinions on? Review event? Never even heard of this.
Diablohead
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I believe with modern warfare 2, activision flew out 50 or so people to a tropical resort for two days of review time along with all the luxuries you get from a place like that.
It happens and it's terrible, the moment a company does something like that they are either fishing for numbers or have something to hide.
LiquidSolid
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Makes you wonder about Gears of War's future, huh?
Welfare
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But MW2 was amazing. They were just treating reviewers for playing such a good game
Halo as a franchise has also reached near god-like status. At that point, it's probably just easier to tell people what they want and expect to hear rather than deal with the fall-out from posting a truthful review. Remember the people calling for Jeff Gerstman's job/life after he had the "gall" to give Twilight Princess only an 8.8? Yeah.
1.21Gigawatts
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Some of them updated their review scores though. But Metacritic doesn't keep track.
Polygon changed its 95 score to 80 for example.
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