EroticSushi
Member
Damn so they really are trying to just handhold everyone through the entire game. I'm fine with the save changes but the rest are head scratching.
Majoras Mask 3D - Review Thread
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Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
Yeah there is some straight-up fearmongering going on at this point. Ya'll gotta get your hype in check, you're spreading some serious untruths.
Can't watch the video because I'm on my phone, but are we talking about "Anju gave you a letter to deliver to Kafei at 12:00!" Message with map information, or a permanent mark/checklist in your notebook that tells you what to do? Because if its the former then it's the exact same thing as the original sans the map part.
The reviewer said that when he picked up the rock sirloin it told him what to do with it.
This outrage over changes is much ado about nothing.
It seems to me that in a handheld game, which you will likely play without being able to take notes, concessions toward handholding make a lot of sense...
Giving people information about how to complete quests and giving people maps seems entirely sane.
If purists want the original N64 rom, they can play it on the Wii/Wii U/N64.
It seems to me that in a handheld game, which you will likely play without being able to take notes, concessions toward handholding make a lot of sense...
Giving people information about how to complete quests and giving people maps seems entirely sane.
If purists want the original N64 rom, they can play it on the Wii/Wii U/N64.
akidnamededdy
Banned
I know it's like putting cracks in walls to show you which ones you cam blow up with bombs, FUCKING HANDHOLDING BULLSHIT.
Y'all are being ridiculous.
Silent_Ocarina
Member
Ice Arrow change is probably the worst to me. Everything else doesn't bother me as much.
That would be nice if the original didn't run at less than 20FPS. They got it perfectly with OoT3D, so it's a real shame they didn't do it right for the better game.
mocolostrocolos
Member
Outrageous!
There's giving people information, and there's forcing information on people.
I have no problem with the Bomber's notebook telling you what to do. I don't care, include a hint system that tells you everything step by step. Just let me hit an off switch somewhere. I don't want to spend a single second not playing the game so the menus can tell me what I already know.
I don't mind them telling players where to put the ice arrows... it helps newbies, whatever. It wasn't that hard to figure out. I'm upset that I can't use them outside of the dungeon wherever I want. I had fun freezing the water. Oh well.
Emulators don't increase it above 20fps.
How about instead of saying 'haters gonna hate' 'ugh purists are always like this' either engage with the argument being put forward or stay out of that particular discussion?
ErrorMacro
Member
Yeah, it's how I feel. The other changes don't bother me because they don't eliminate freedom (maybe only the Zora swimming), but the ice arrow does, and its quite shitty.
_/¯C.Olimar788
Member
The Ice Arrow change sounds really dumb. As someone else pointed out, not only does it amount to terrible handholding but it also removes a sense of exploration for the player. If anything, they should have added secrets that you could get by using Ice Arrows outside of the Great Bay Temple...
We'll see what all these changes amount to. I'm glad they are making this a proper remake instead of just a remaster like OoT3D mostly was, but I'm unsure if all of their changes will end up being for the better.
We'll see what all these changes amount to. I'm glad they are making this a proper remake instead of just a remaster like OoT3D mostly was, but I'm unsure if all of their changes will end up being for the better.
Spieler Eins
Member
jesus christ at the ice arrows :lol and the rest seems as nasty as expected.
Exactly. It's a very heavy handed way of doing things.
What the fuck are you talking about? What's head scratching about stuff like the Goron roll and deku scrub bubble?
Beelzebufo
Banned
I think that's a fair complaint. Obviously you can just play the original, but that was always true. I think a lot of people were excited to play the original with updated graphics.
The other changes I don't particularly mind, but this is pretty infuriating. Seems like they could've had a fortune teller NPC in town give the player a hint for rupees instead (as one example)?
It's not like the fact that it would be changed is news... We've know it would be for months, if not years... we just didn't know how.
These changes, as described, seem minor, with most of them seemingly made to bring the game up to contemporary standards or to make it more accessible for handheld play.
I do agree that the ice arrow change sounds rather arbitrary and ill-advised.
Lionel Richie
Member
I actually agree and it is very reasonable, but I don't remember "lurking around for clues" in the original MM as something so seamless, it felt like a bit of a chore. I'm yet to play the 3DS version so I can't say for sure about their solution, but I don't mind it too much since every single game nowadays seem to do it anyway.
I'd love some subtle hint system, like saying who might like that item or what you could do next. If it's done like the current GPS system of go here and do that it would be in fact disappointing.
It's nothing like that at all, your comparison makes no sense.
Not all walls are crackable, however water exposed to cold always freezes. Limiting that makes the ice arrow a bad gimmick that can only be used in one room, it's a mere key.
Spieler Eins
Member
They already have that dumb visual walkthrough stone built into the game like in OoT/SS, so not even that was needed.
SweetJohnnyCage
Member
I gotta be honest, maybe I just have an insane memory for these things, but I don't think I'll be affected by the notebook changes at all. I can pretty much get every heart piece and mask from memory, so I won't really feel like my hand is being held in this remake. For first timers, it's going to be a different experience than what I had in 2000, but that's not really my problem. The gameplay is the same for the most part (I'll miss infinite dolphin swimming for sure, though), and that's what matters most to me.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
Did you.. watch this video? Andre is spitting some nonsense, the actual video is showing that it documents that "you found it," but it doesn't tell you what to do with it whatsoever.
I watched the video, but I didn't read the text. If that's the case they should add an annotation or something to correct the mistake.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
It tells you a hungry Goron is looking for it--there is literally one character that fits that attribute.
There's no mistake there. If tells you exactly who to give it to
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
Did YOU watch the video? It tells you that a food-loving goron hid it there. It doesn't say that anyone is looking for it.
My memory might be fuzzy but the original gave you a similar clue.
What people are not talking about here is an actually, horribly, tedious part of the game: making statues in the stone tower temple, has this been improved?
I'm pretty sure almost all walls would be destroyed by a real bomb. Regardless of cracks.
KirbYuuYuu
Member
I'm now hoping that whoever makes the OT actually presents the changes in a neutral fashion since anything else will change up the flow of a topic.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
Are they not the same Goron? The implication seems to be the same regardless--it's a huge hint as to what to do
I wonder how people will react when they go rolling off a ledge because of the changes to the goron roll.
People are inevitably going to talk about the changes once they start to affect them.
People are inevitably going to talk about the changes once they start to affect them.
akidnamededdy
Banned
Uh. The ice arrows have always been a mere key. They're just kind enough now to show you where the locks are.
I guess it's a crummy change for the one person who spent hours making useless ice platforms outside the temple for some sad reason
It says that, but the image is also connected with a Goron and a chandelier in the video, and it seems like "Find the rock sirloin" was a quest in the notebook. Could that be what he meant?
e: Admittedly, I have no idea how the info was presented in the original game. If the Goron said "Hey I left my food in the chandelier and I'm really hungry", I have no problem with the game reminding you.
That Rock Sirloin part of GameXplain's video is weird. He verbally says it tells you exactly who to take it to, but the video doesn't show that. The menu simply says you found it.
sidequest spoiler
sidequest spoiler
you give it to the Frog Mask wearing Goron near the smithy. Perhaps something new clues you in on that but the video doesn't show it.
You could use them to jump out to the temple. I was looking forward to seeing if they had redone it or not, but now I'll never know.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
The hungry goron never says anything about hiding food anywhere, he just wants to eat something, because he's starving. Something that's tough and hard to chew.
A bit of flavor text noting that a generic "food-loving goron" was to blame for the meat mysteriously hidden in a chandelier merely gives a bit of logic for why the sirloin was in a chandelier of all places, it's not referring to the hungry goron.
The "find the rock sirloin" tile, and item in the quest chain, only appeared once you found the sirloin. It's there to remind you of the quest steps should you choose to attempt the quest again on future cycles, basically just documenting things you've already done. It's not there beforehand.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
What the fuck at the ice arrows. I loved making random ice blocks.
Don't be dense, we are talking about video games, basic game world building rules, if we were in a magical land where water not always freezes the game would have to show that to the player very explicitly somehow because it's counterintuitive, a bomb not destroying a wall is not counterintuitive, it can happen.
Edit: Actually, thinking about it, one reason to limit the use of the ice arrows to just that specific place is that using it outside can trigger a bug they couldn't fix. Because otherwise it makes no sense to me.
This clears things up a bit, thanks. My memory of the side quests in the game is a bit rough. If the notifications don't spell it out for the player, then it's nothing too egregious IMO.