JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders |OT| ATTEMPT NO MANGA SPOILERS HERE

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King Boo said:
i didn't think young jo would struggle to win in that fight. it was a very good and funny episode. can the sword
be repaired? what happens if the sword is destroyed, does the stand die permanently?
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Anubis is kind of unique as far as Stands go. The series never really provides any answers to those what if scenarios as far as minor villains go. Remember how Santana was still alive in captivity and nothing happened?

I always try hard not to spoil in this thread but I find it really hard to answer some questions sometimes so I end up editing the post a lot lol
 
JadedWriter said:
I'm just going to assume Joseph never stopped fighting and eventually just took one too many blows to the head. The same kind of decline is evidence is boxers and I think football and soccer players as well.
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Joseph was a young hothead. He's like what 70 now? Give him a break. He's still the heart and soul of team JoJo but, this is Jotaros part not Josephs.
 
AlimNassor said:
Joseph was a young hothead. He's like what 70 now? Give him a break. He's still the heart and soul of team JoJo but, this is Jotaros part not Josephs.
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Joseph not being the main character doesn't mean he needed to be downgraded to the level of the dumbest party member though (or even lower than that in that one episode with the Sun stand). He could have been presented on Avdol's level without taking anything from Jotaro.
 
I feel like part 1 and 2 had far better world building too. With the Stands it seems there really are no rules, and even rules that were established early get kind of thrown out as it goes on. It's just a lot of random nonsense now.
 
joseph once had a brain and tentacles attach to his back which he didn't notice, and despite his teacher just having been brutally murdered by the world-ending super mayan vampire he defeated, he then calmly strolls into the house and starts hitting on suzie q
 
Joseph is just street-smart to begin with under my impression, he so good dealing with extreme situation but his carelessness is also the one that put him into keep falling to those hard situation to begin with.

Yeah, Araki sure make a lot of inconsistency, but Joseph being extra sharp also not my impression to his young self.
 
FluxWaveZ said:
I'm with NeonZ; I don't like the evolution of young Joseph into the old because he's actually completely lost it. His cleverness and sense of awareness have totally plummeted in part 3 compared to his part 2 self.
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I'd say the only reason he's written as such is so that he doesn't take the spotlight from Jotaro.
But come on it's been 50 years since Part 2, Joseph likely hadn't gone on any crazy ass hijinky adventures and had to focus on his family's business/legacy so the trickster in him faded away.
 
Part 4 is where stands get to shine better. Part 3 is more or less watch for awesome, but isn't really that much spectacular compared to the rest.
 
NeonZ said:
He really doesn't though. In many episodes where he isn't the focus he's portrayed as just as dumb as Polnareff, unable to perceive threats and such, which is rather odd compared to his younger self.
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This is my biggest issue with Joseph on Part 3. He's completely unaware of what's happening around him even if it's obvious things such as someone pretending to be Jotaro.

Siegcram said:
I never understood how a name of a character that has never appeared before constitutes a spoiler. It tells you literally nothing.

I mean I don't do it in here, I just don't get it.
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The issue with mentioning names aren't the names themselves, but that it invites people to start discussing said characters and easily derails the thread into manga talk.
 
Boss Doggie said:
Part 4 is where stands get to shine better. Part 3 is more or less watch for awesome, but isn't really that much spectacular compared to the rest.
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EmCeeGramr said:
joseph once had a brain and tentacles attach to his back which he didn't notice, and despite his teacher just having been brutally murdered by the world-ending super mayan vampire he defeated, he then calmly strolls into the house and starts hitting on suzie q
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He is more adapt in life or death situations.
 
Siegcram said:
Have you met Polnareff?
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That's who I meant by "dumbest party member", and also why I said Joseph was even bellow that during the Sun Stand confrontation (since even Polnareff noticed what was going on there).

I think the writer just dumbed down Joesph just to make him into the comedic relief of this part and to serve as a contrast to Jotaro.
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But Polnareff also is comic relief, and Joseph could be comic relief without being portrayed as an idiot 80% of the time. Joseph also was comic relief back in Part 2, that just didn't come at the cost of his competency, unlike his Part 3 self.

EmCeeGramr said:
joseph once had a brain and tentacles attach to his back which he didn't notice, and despite his teacher just having been brutally murdered by the world-ending super mayan vampire he defeated, he then calmly strolls into the house and starts hitting on suzie q
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But yet he was able to analyze his opponents and attacks and figure out something to get around them, in spite of lacking similar abilities. Comes Part 3, and he has barely come up with solutions against most Stands. Also, in spite of gaining a new ability, he actually seems less versatile than in Part 2.
 
dani_dc said:
This is my biggest issue with Joseph on Part 3. He's completely unaware of what's happening around him even if it's obvious things such as someone pretending to be Jotaro.
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I will never understand how they didn't immediately realize that wasn't Jotaro. Avdol and Kakyoin would've sniffed that shit out in like a minute and would've intentionally teased him to make him suffer. Jotaro's hat is not 8 inches in the air or the brim that long, nor does Jotaro dress that badly or act that weird...for anything.
 
If Joseph was the same as in Battle Tendency then it would be a boring ass retread where every other non-Joseph character is treated like a chump until Joseph magically reveals that he hid a Wile E. Coyote set up up his asshole and he laid it out instantly without you noticing and you're dead now lolz

I also think people exaggerate how "stupid" Joseph has become. The only two times he really seems "dumb" are against Oingo (which is a joke battle where not even Jotaro noticed how suspicious Oingo was in the cafe, nor questioned why Polly and Joseph thought he should have different clothes or be taking a dump), and The Sun (where I never saw it as being "dumber than Polnareff" but instead being so focused on being the responsible leader and finding a way out that he missed the solution... and that Jotaro and Polnareff didn't really "figure it out" either, they were just following Kakyoin's gaze and saw it... which was sort of the point of the Sun, it was the sort of really stupid obvious trick that even observant people could fall for unless they got lucky and noticed it)
 
Joseph just passing his plot armor to Jotaro

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Still had some left tho, too stronk

Anyway, next fight is Josephs..
 
Yeah I don't get all the Part 3 Joseph hate. He's only been truly stupid once and that was because the Oingo Boingo battle was one giant gag. I wouldn't count The Sun because, to be fair, everyone fell for that and they only figured it out by chance. I guess you can argue that he being a trickster himself should've seen that trick but whatever. Another thing is that he hasn't really had any fights to himself. It seems people keep forgetting The Empress, his only one on one fight so far. He handled that pretty damn well. Maybe people's minds will change after the next fight.
 
Maybe people should wait how the rest of the season is going to play out before proclaiming Joseph as brain damaged. That's all I'm gonna say on the matter.

Plus it should be noted that this part is centered around Stand battles and Hermit Purple is confirmed ass-tier in that regard.
 
I've only just started watching part 3 and something immediately stands out (no pun intended) .. what the flying fuck happened to vampires, and fighting with hamon?
 
Ushay said:
I've only just started watching part 3 and something immediately stands out (no pun intended) .. what the flying fuck happened to vampires, and fighting with hamon?
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Vampires still exist and Hamon is replaced by Stands (which are basically concentrated, more interesting Hamon).
 
Part 3 Joseph > Part 2 Joseph

If I wanted some bullshit Shounen battles I'd just read Naruto. Also if you think Joseph is bad then god damn the future will be painful for you.
 
MetroidPrimeRib said:
Anubis is kind of unique as far as Stands go. The series never really provides any answers to those what if scenarios as far as minor villains go. Remember how Santana was still alive in captivity and nothing happened?

I always try hard not to spoil in this thread but I find it really hard to answer some questions sometimes so I end up editing the post a lot lol
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oh i see, thank you. kinda liked anubis. would have been a nice pet to the team besides the other dog
 
forgeforsaken said:
No, Stands are random crazy powers with no guiding rules.
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So was Hamon, except less interesting.

Even without reading the manga, the fact that there are two parts with hamon and six with stands says a lot.

The first half of Part 3 was less interesting stand wise because it's the beginning of stands, Araki had just came up with the concept. Stands just get better and better as time goes on.

Hamon was better in Part 2 than in Part 1 as well.
 
forgeforsaken said:
No, Stands are random crazy powers with no guiding rules.
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Hamon can't heal except when it can and it can break things except when it can only go through metal or living stuff, and sometimes you can make liquid stick with it and also make hair or leaves suddenly stick together or float in the air, and also mind control people sometimes? but also you need both repelling Ripple and attracting Ripple or else you'll blow a person up except sometimes you might just knock them out and it can't go through cold frozen people because you need warm blood for that but water is the perfect medium and cold metal is fine and
 
forgeforsaken said:
No, Stands are random crazy powers with no guiding rules.
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Except they do have rules:
- If a stand is damaged, the user is damaged
- A stand's strength is equally proportionate to the users strength/willpower
- Only stand users can see stands

There are more rules, but I would be venturing into spoiler territory. You'll lean more in part 4.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Hamon can't heal except when it can and it can break things except when it can only go through metal or living stuff, and sometimes you can make liquid stick with it and also make hair or leaves suddenly stick together or float in the air, and also mind control people sometimes? but also you need both repelling Ripple and attracting Ripple or else you'll blow a person up except sometimes you might just knock them out and it can't go through cold frozen people because you need warm blood for that but water is the perfect medium and cold metal is fine and
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Joseph's just that good.
 
Secret Character said:
Except they do have rules:
- If a stand is damaged, the user is damaged
- A stand's strength is equally proportionate to the users strength/willpower
- Only stand users can see stands

There are more rules, but I would be venturing into spoiler territory. You'll lean more in part 4.
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I feel like this one gets broken constantly. Look at Strength for instance.
 
forgeforsaken said:
I feel like this one gets violated constantly. Look at Strength for instance.
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Early part 3 is where Araki was still figuring things out. It could be debated that Strength was used to transform the small boat, but the stand itself was never actually seen.

Another example would be the newest episode. Anubis could only been seen by the bearer and other stand users. The sword was just a sword to everybody else.

Again, without going into spoiler territory, there are other stands in future parts that kind of bend that rule. Generally speaking, though, only stand users can see other stands.
 
forgeforsaken said:
I feel like this one gets broken constantly. Look at Strength for instance.
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Strength was manipulating a ship, it wasn't the ship itself. (After Forever got beaten, the ship transformed back into its original form, a small boat)

If a Stand is "bound" to a physical object, then the physical object and whatever effect that the Stand is causing it can be seen, because it's not actually Stand energy. It's no different than how the policemen could see Jotaro being lifted up into the air or the bars being bent by Star Platinum, even if they couldn't see Magician's Red or Star Platinum themselves.


Think of it this way: Thoth wasn't a comic book, it was a "punch ghost" Stand that was living inside of a comic book and writing stuff in it. Wheel of Fortune wasn't a car, it was a Stand living inside of a car. Just like Anubis' sword, there's presumably a "punch ghost" inside of them, but Araki didn't want to distract from the visual of the book or the car or the ship or the transforming face to bother showing that.
 
forgeforsaken said:
I feel like this one gets broken constantly. Look at Strength for instance.
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Stands that manifest as physical objects can be seen by non-Stand users, but that's about the only exception, IIRC. So like, since Strength and Wheel of Fortune changed the appearance of existing objects (Strength changing the appearance of the wrecked boat, and Wheel of Fortune turning a junk car into a coolish car) they can be seen by normal people. Anubis being a special case as well, since people could obviously see the sword but not the Stand that was actually in the sword.
 
I hope that if Jojo part 3 ever gets made into a movie, some hollywood executive demands the "stands" name is dropped and replaced with PUNCH GHOSTS.
 
The thing that sort of irks me is that most of the time the damage to the stand = the damage to the user. For example the Stand takes a blow to the head, then the user takes a blow to the head.

But then sometimes this is thrown out of the window and the user just takes random damage. I suppose it becomes more confusing with non-humanoid Stands.

I guess it doesn't really irk me. But it is bizarre.
 
GreatCharleston said:
Part 3 Joseph > Part 2 Joseph

If I wanted some bullshit Shounen battles I'd just read Naruto. Also if you think Joseph is bad then god damn the future will be painful for you.
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And this isn't bullshit shounen battles? Your opinion of Part 2, especially when compared to part 3, is the stupidest thing I've read in this thread.
 
ElFly said:
I hope that if Jojo part 3 ever gets made into a movie, some hollywood executive demands the "stands" name is dropped and replaced with PUNCH GHOSTS.
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New York, 2016. Johnny J. Jojo (Chris Pratt) is in jail for a crime he didn't commit, when his grandfather Joseph J. Jameson (Sean Connery, fresh out of retirement) and his white friend Avdol (The Rock) introduce him to the world of Punch Ghosts. Now Johnny must defeat the true culprit, Ronnie (James Franco), to save his fiancee (Natalie Portman) and stop a nuclear weapon from annihilating mankind.

PUNCH GHOST - THE ADVENTURE. In theaters 2016.
 
Jocchan said:
New York, 2016. Johnny J. Jojo (Chris Pratt) is in jail for a crime he didn't commit, when his grandfather Joseph J. Jameson (Sean Connery, fresh out of retirement) and his white friend Avdol (The Rock) introduce him to the world of Punch Ghosts. Now Johnny must defeat the true culprit, Ronnie (James Franco), to save his fiancee (Natalie Portman) and stop a nuclear weapon from annihilating mankind.

PUNCH GHOST - THE ADVENTURE. In theaters 2016.
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We all know Michael Cera is the true live-action Jotaro.
 
sjack said:
And this isn't bullshit shounen battles? Your opinion of Part 2, especially when compared to part 3, is the stupidest thing I've read in this thread.
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Well like your view was just "I like Part 2 more therefore it's better."

When I don't actually care much for either part and was giving a fair analysis. But that's okay.

I didn't spoil a thing though guys, come on now.
 
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