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[>-Baron-Spamedi-<]

What? I don't think that's how it works.

Of course it's how it works. Any 1080p image on my set has to be upscaled ("zoomed") to the panels native 4k resolution. And that is adding a ton of extra pixels.
It's a testament to how good these TVs are getting that most of the high end 4k TVs coming out now have fantastic upscaling on 1080p images.

The PS4 looks better, clearer and sharper with better colour reproduction on my current high end 4k than it did on my outgoing high end 55" 1080p set.
The evidence?
My own eyes. I compared them side by side before I sold my previous set.

 

[DirgeExtinction]

I never played RE4 when it released, but didn't it release with black bars as well? Was there such a commotion with that game as there was for The Order?

 

[RoboPlato]

Of course it's how it works. Any 1080p image on my set has to be upscaled ("zoomed") to the panels native 4k resolution. And that is adding a ton of extra pixels.
It's a testament to how good these TVs are getting that most of the high end 4k TVs coming out now have fantastic upscaling on 1080p images.

The PS4 looks better, clearer and sharper with better colour reproduction on my current high end 4k than it did on my outgoing high end 55" 1080p set.
The evidence?
My own eyes. I compared them side by side before I sold my previous set.

Zooming and scaling aren't the same thing. Depending on your 4k set, it probably has nearest neighbor scaling which will look pretty much the same as a native 1080p set of the same size since it expands perfectly over 4 pixels.

 

[Purest 78]

Not a fan of the aspect ratio either. Personally, I think it's beyond stupid and shouldn't exist in any video game. It's a video game that's being played, not a movie that's being watched. Just hoping that unlike so much other crap in gaming, this doesn't become a trend.

With that said, im assuming that the aspect ratio of The Order is the same as The Evil Within which means that I'll be doing what I did with The Evil Within - lower the PS4 resolution to 480p which eliminates the black bars to the size of a millimeter on the top and bottom. Granted, it won't look as good but it will still look good enough and I personally rather have the majority of my HDTV screen.

You'd rather have majority of your HDTV with a 480p resolution? That would look god awful I hope you're joking.

 

[hydruxo]

Not a fan of the aspect ratio either. Personally, I think it's beyond stupid and shouldn't exist in any video game. It's a video game that's being played, not a movie that's being watched. Just hoping that unlike so much other crap in gaming, this doesn't become a trend.

With that said, im assuming that the aspect ratio of The Order is the same as The Evil Within which means that I'll be doing what I did with The Evil Within - lower the PS4 resolution to 480p which eliminates the black bars to the size of a millimeter on the top and bottom. Granted, it won't look as good but it will still look good enough and I personally rather have the majority of my HDTV screen.

You'd rather play a game at 480p just to avoid having black bars? Man, I thought I'd seen it all haha

 

[Citizen_Insane]

You'd rather play a game at 480p just to avoid having black bars? Man, I thought I'd seen it all haha

And let's not forget the fact that the Order was built with the idea of having black bars from the beginning and Evil Within had it tacked on horribly.

 

[jayu26]

Of course it's how it works. Any 1080p image on my set has to be upscaled ("zoomed") to the panels native 4k resolution. And that is adding a ton of extra pixels.
It's a testament to how good these TVs are getting that most of the high end 4k TVs coming out now have fantastic upscaling on 1080p images.

The PS4 looks better, clearer and sharper with better colour reproduction on my current high end 4k than it did on my outgoing high end 55" 1080p set.
The evidence?
My own eyes. I compared them side by side before I sold my previous set.

You are talking about upscaling, the other guy was talking about cropping an image and zooming in. Those are two different things.

 

[littlemagician]

http://www.kyrackramer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Gandalf.jpg

 

[XxRampage07xX]

Not a fan of the aspect ratio either. Personally, I think it's beyond stupid and shouldn't exist in any video game. It's a video game that's being played, not a movie that's being watched. Just hoping that unlike so much other crap in gaming, this doesn't become a trend.

With that said, im assuming that the aspect ratio of The Order is the same as The Evil Within which means that I'll be doing what I did with The Evil Within - lower the PS4 resolution to 480p which eliminates the black bars to the size of a millimeter on the top and bottom. Granted, it won't look as good but it will still look good enough and I personally rather have the majority of my HDTV screen.

Goddamn, GAF is very hilarious and amusing sometime

 

[littlemagician]

No way Daniel is being serious.

 

[XxRampage07xX]

I never played RE4 when it released, but didn't it release with black bars as well? Was there such a commotion with that game as there was for The Order?

Resident Evil 4 had black bars? I played the hell out of it and didn't even notice any stuff like that

 

[DirgeExtinction]

Resident Evil 4 had black bars? I played the hell out of it and didn't even notice any stuff like that

...I thought it did, on GameCube. Not sure if the PS2/later ports had it.

*edit* I think it did on 4:3 TVs back in the day.

 

[XxRampage07xX]

...I thought it did, on GameCube. Not sure if the PS2/later ports had it.

*edit* I think it did on 4:3 TVs back in the day

The last time I played it was many years ago. So yeah, I don't quite remember how exactly it looked.

 

[Chance Hale]

Have there been any variety/campaign impressions from people who got early copies?

 

[boredandlazy]

...I thought it did, on GameCube. Not sure if the PS2/later ports had it.

*edit* I think it did on 4:3 TVs back in the day.

PS2 version supported native widescreen. Gamecube had black bars.

 

[>-Baron-Spamedi-<]

Zooming and scaling aren't the same thing. Depending on your 4k set, it probably has nearest neighbor scaling which will look pretty much the same as a native 1080p set of the same size since it expands perfectly over 4 pixels.

Of course, as I have compared the sets side by side I could just be right and you guys could be wrong.

It looks better upscaled. Not like 1080p on nearest neighbour. As witnessed with my own eyes

Also if zooming "destroys image quality" like you boys claim.

Explain the reviews this set got.
Philips Cinema 21:9 58pfl9955h

None of them criticise it ability to produce detailed pictures.


The fact is there aren't enough (or even any) 21:9 tv's being made to make this a viable answer anyway.

4k will be the new thing for a few years. The upscaling on higher end models is actually usually very very good.

The 'always turn all picture enhancements off' and 'all scaling destroys image quality' mantras often repeated in discussions like this tend to be repeated by people who haven't actually owned or spent time with the products they are criticising anyway and who own middle tier products that are often a few years behind the curve anyway.

The scaling and other image enhancements in a middle tier TV from five or so years ago is simply not comparable to the stuff a new higher end TV can do. The scaling on YOUR TV may very well be poor. That doesn't mean the scaling on all tv's is poor.

 

[>-Baron-Spamedi-<]

You are talking about upscaling, the other guy was talking about cropping an image and zooming in. Those are two different things.

Ha ha ha.

Are you being serious?
Zooming is upscaling on an LED tv.
If a modern 21:9 led TV (even existed?!?) wanted to fit a standard 1080p 21:9 image it would simply discard the areas with black bars and through normal image processing methods upscale what was left?
How did you think they would do it?

 

[boredandlazy]

No it won't. That's the sort of thing that gets repeated often but simply isn't true.

I have a high end 65" 4k TV so everything except 4k stuff off Amazon Video gets 'zoomed' on my TV.
Everything (including the PS4 output) looks fantastic on it.

I'm pretty sure any scaling on a 21:9 TV will be high in quality as pretty much all 21:9 TVs at the moment are high end models as far as I'm aware.

Sigh...

4K TV's use specific scaling algorithms to scale 1080p content to 4K(3840x2160). Or rather they can just display each pixel 2x horizontally and 2x vertically. That works because it's perfectly scaled to a whole number. 2160/1080 = 2, 3840/1920 = 2 etc.

What some are suggesting is zooming in on a 1080p image so that it only shows 800 lines of vertical resolution. Then scaling those 800 lines to 1080 lines. 1080/800 = 1.35
This no longer scales evenly (1.35 vertical pixels for every 1 of the image being rendered), and therefore will have scaling artefacts and will not look as crisp on your TV.

 

[DirgeExtinction]

The last time I played it was many years ago. So yeah, I don't quite remember how exactly it looked.

Lol, I never played it.

PS2 version supported native widescreen. Gamecube had black bars.

Ah, okay. Thanks for the info.
Was a fuss made about the GameCube version and its black bars, though?

 

[schaft0620]

Philips Cinema 21:9 58pfl9955h

That's not even a 4K TV

 

[shinobi602]

Not a fan of the aspect ratio either. Personally, I think it's beyond stupid and shouldn't exist in any video game. It's a video game that's being played, not a movie that's being watched. Just hoping that unlike so much other crap in gaming, this doesn't become a trend.

With that said, im assuming that the aspect ratio of The Order is the same as The Evil Within which means that I'll be doing what I did with The Evil Within - lower the PS4 resolution to 480p which eliminates the black bars to the size of a millimeter on the top and bottom. Granted, it won't look as good but it will still look good enough and I personally rather have the majority of my HDTV screen.

 

[Shin-Ra]

What the fuck is goin' awwwwn?

 

[>-Baron-Spamedi-<]

That's not even a 4K TV

Er. It doesn't need to be. It was 21:9
It did the exact image processing and scaling tha supposedly "destroys" image quality.
. . . and generally garnered praise for its image quality.

Funny that.

I guess having experience with the things you are criticising can actually provide more information than simply regurgitating tired old mantras and having no actual experience of the things you are criticising. Who knew?

<edit> I've just noticed how far I've wandered off topic. So I'm leaving this here

 

[mgs2master2]

Not a fan of the aspect ratio either. Personally, I think it's beyond stupid and shouldn't exist in any video game. It's a video game that's being played, not a movie that's being watched. Just hoping that unlike so much other crap in gaming, this doesn't become a trend.

With that said, im assuming that the aspect ratio of The Order is the same as The Evil Within which means that I'll be doing what I did with The Evil Within - lower the PS4 resolution to 480p which eliminates the black bars to the size of a millimeter on the top and bottom. Granted, it won't look as good but it will still look good enough and I personally rather have the majority of my HDTV screen.

 

[Pound_lb003]

Not a fan of the aspect ratio either. Personally, I think it's beyond stupid and shouldn't exist in any video game. It's a video game that's being played, not a movie that's being watched. Just hoping that unlike so much other crap in gaming, this doesn't become a trend.

With that said, im assuming that the aspect ratio of The Order is the same as The Evil Within which means that I'll be doing what I did with The Evil Within - lower the PS4 resolution to 480p which eliminates the black bars to the size of a millimeter on the top and bottom. Granted, it won't look as good but it will still look good enough and I personally rather have the majority of my HDTV screen.

The ridiculous lengths Chrome is going to, to put me off coming in this thread, are dwarfed by posts like yours. These kinds of posts honestly make me think I'd be better off reading an article on Clickhole.

Shame on you!

Spoiler

Seriously, 480p is better than that aspect ratio?

 

[jayu26]

Ha ha ha.

Are you being serious?
Zooming is upscaling on an LED tv.
If a modern 21:9 led TV (even existed?!?) wanted to fit a standard 1080p 21:9 image it would simply discard the areas with black bars and through normal image processing methods upscale what was left?
How did you think they would do it?

If you were to crop the image like this...

...or some variant of it and blow it up to fill the whole screen, then your TV will be filling in same amount of pixels with way less information than if you were to upscale from native PS4 output. This will result is more image degradation then you are use to. I don't see how you are fine with that.

 

[BTM]

Holy shit that post had me crying over here. Please tell me that was a joke post

 

[ProfessorMoran]

Not a fan of the aspect ratio either. Personally, I think it's beyond stupid and shouldn't exist in any video game. It's a video game that's being played, not a movie that's being watched. Just hoping that unlike so much other crap in gaming, this doesn't become a trend.

With that said, im assuming that the aspect ratio of The Order is the same as The Evil Within which means that I'll be doing what I did with The Evil Within - lower the PS4 resolution to 480p which eliminates the black bars to the size of a millimeter on the top and bottom. Granted, it won't look as good but it will still look good enough and I personally rather have the majority of my HDTV screen.

Joke post? I hope for the love of humanity this is a joke post.

 

[curiouscharles]

Not a fan of the aspect ratio either. Personally, I think it's beyond stupid and shouldn't exist in any video game. It's a video game that's being played, not a movie that's being watched. Just hoping that unlike so much other crap in gaming, this doesn't become a trend.

With that said, im assuming that the aspect ratio of The Order is the same as The Evil Within which means that I'll be doing what I did with The Evil Within - lower the PS4 resolution to 480p which eliminates the black bars to the size of a millimeter on the top and bottom. Granted, it won't look as good but it will still look good enough and I personally rather have the majority of my HDTV screen.

lol.gif

enjoy that mate!

 

[Putty]

Jesus H.Christ! Some of what I'm reading just.....just astounds me!

 

[Lys Skygge]

Not a fan of the aspect ratio either. Personally, I think it's beyond stupid and shouldn't exist in any video game. It's a video game that's being played, not a movie that's being watched. Just hoping that unlike so much other crap in gaming, this doesn't become a trend.

With that said, im assuming that the aspect ratio of The Order is the same as The Evil Within which means that I'll be doing what I did with The Evil Within - lower the PS4 resolution to 480p which eliminates the black bars to the size of a millimeter on the top and bottom. Granted, it won't look as good but it will still look good enough and I personally rather have the majority of my HDTV screen.

Omg. Bwahahahahaha!!!

 

[Ushay]

Wow this aspect ratio stuff is really winding people up huh. Personally I think it's something new and looks pretty good. There's nothing wrong with trying to get a movie like feel in a game, it is after all a form of entertainment.

At least RAD are willing to take risks, can't stand companies that stick to the same generic shit over and over *cough* Ubi *cough*

 

[MWS Natural]

Not a fan of the aspect ratio either. Personally, I think it's beyond stupid and shouldn't exist in any video game. It's a video game that's being played, not a movie that's being watched. Just hoping that unlike so much other crap in gaming, this doesn't become a trend.

With that said, im assuming that the aspect ratio of The Order is the same as The Evil Within which means that I'll be doing what I did with The Evil Within - lower the PS4 resolution to 480p which eliminates the black bars to the size of a millimeter on the top and bottom. Granted, it won't look as good but it will still look good enough and I personally rather have the majority of my HDTV screen.

Epic post here. Dramatic reading please.

 

[kyser73]

I've just walked into 'check out how great my TV is peasants' and 'I'm going to make my image look like it was from 1886 BECAUSE I WANT MY FULL SCREEN MAN!! I PAID FOR THOSE FUCKEN PIXELS AND I WANT THEM USED GODAMIT! MURICA!

 

[Saberus]

Not a fan of the aspect ratio either. Personally, I think it's beyond stupid and shouldn't exist in any video game. It's a video game that's being played, not a movie that's being watched. Just hoping that unlike so much other crap in gaming, this doesn't become a trend.

With that said, im assuming that the aspect ratio of The Order is the same as The Evil Within which means that I'll be doing what I did with The Evil Within - lower the PS4 resolution to 480p which eliminates the black bars to the size of a millimeter on the top and bottom. Granted, it won't look as good but it will still look good enough and I personally rather have the majority of my HDTV screen.

 

[CozMick]

I wake up and see night time gaf in full effect.

Night time gaf is fucking crazy. 480p? wow.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

I wake up and see night time gaf in full effect.

Night time gaf is fucking crazy. 480p? wow.

But if he sits far away enough he won't be able to tell the difference. The human eye can only perceive so many pixels, so if his TV is <50', he should be fine.

 

[B.O.O.M]

lol I love and hate Order 1886 threads..they can be frustrating but also oh so very entertaining

 

[BouncyFrag]

What the hell is going on?

 

[Fortuneelsewhere]

Not a fan of the aspect ratio either. Personally, I think it's beyond stupid and shouldn't exist in any video game. It's a video game that's being played, not a movie that's being watched. Just hoping that unlike so much other crap in gaming, this doesn't become a trend.

With that said, im assuming that the aspect ratio of The Order is the same as The Evil Within which means that I'll be doing what I did with The Evil Within - lower the PS4 resolution to 480p which eliminates the black bars to the size of a millimeter on the top and bottom. Granted, it won't look as good but it will still look good enough and I personally rather have the majority of my HDTV screen.

I'm really glad people like you are a minority... You know that diversity is good? Or Artistic innovation and creativity is what make things evolving and interesting? Get your head from your ass and you will be surprised how things can get really exciting..

 

[>-Baron-Spamedi-<]

I find at really strange that anyone can look at the recent footage and think this game looks anything other than graphically incredible even with black bars.

The fact that this game switches between movie-like cutscenes and gameplay seemlessly opens up the possibility of a really interesting aesthetic and feel to the game which I haven't experienced before. That's providing RAD make use of the 21:9 framing artistically, of course.

I do get that this may not be appealing to people with smaller screens or who sit quite far back from the TV.
If I get it I think I might try it on the 40" set in my bedroom and see if this detracts much from the enjoyment compared to my bigger set in my lounge.

 

[zoukka]

The black bars are fine as along as the game design acknowledges them accordingly. They didn't bother anyone in RE4 once you actually played the game because it was designed around having that aspect ratio. TEW wasn't as well designed with the aspect ratio in mind and the bars actually distracted from the experience every now and then.

 

[Majanew]

Someone would actually set their PS4 to 480p while they play The Order instead of keeping the native resolution of their 1080p tv? Say what now?

Ok, I just set my PS4 to 480p and it set the aspect ratio to 4:3. So wouldn't The Order still have black bars on the top and bottom while being in 4:3?

 

[Loakum]

No it won't. That's the sort of thing that gets repeated often but simply isn't true.

I have a high end 65" 4k TV so everything except 4k stuff off Amazon Video gets 'zoomed' on my TV.
Everything (including the PS4 output) looks fantastic on it.

I'm pretty sure any scaling on a 21:9 TV will be high in quality as pretty much all 21:9 TVs at the moment are high end models as far as I'm aware.

a 65 inch 4k TV? Good Lawd, you must be rich!

 

[>-Baron-Spamedi-<]

The black bars are fine as along as the game design acknowledges them accordingly. They didn't bother anyone in RE4 once you actually played the game because it was designed around having that aspect ratio. TEW wasn't as well designed with the aspect ratio in mind and the bars actually distracted from the experience every now and then.

Yeah. That's true.
I'm sure from what I've seen so far RAD will have taken the framing into account heavily in cut scenes and scripted moments. It will be interesting to see if they have made it relevant and even beneficial or desirable in the more traditionally 'gamey' sections.

 

[>-Baron-Spamedi-<]

a 65 inch 4k TV? Good Lawd, you must be rich!

Lol. I wish.
Truth is I have a large lounge and sit 7 or 8 feet away from the TV usually. My 55" set was fine and had a great picture but when I watched 21:9 blu rays I always felt like the picture was just a little bit too small.
I knew I wanted a 65" set so thought, oh well, might as well get a one I'll be happy with for a few years!
Turns out for my tastes 65" is fine for films with black bars at my viewing distance.
So I do get the concerns over the reduction in screen real estate in The Order.
I'm really interested to see if RAD manage to use aesthetics and the cinema style framing well enough to compensate people's misgivings.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

I might try the 480p trick with my Blu-rays. It sounds like a great solution ...

 

[Majanew]

Lol. I wish.
Truth is I have a large lounge and sit 7 or 8 feet away from the TV usually. My 55" set was fine and had a great picture but when I watched 21:9 blu rays I always felt like the picture was just a little bit too small.
I knew I wanted a 65" set so thought, oh well, might as well get a one I'll be happy with for a few years!
Turns out for my tastes 65" is fine for films with black bars at my viewing distance.
So I do get the concerns over the reduction in screen real estate in The Order.
I'm really interested to see if RAD manage to use aesthetics and the cinema style framing well enough to compensate people's misgivings.

You could have just bought a projector and a 100+" screen if black bars bother you that much.

 

[Loakum]

Lol. I wish.
Truth is I have a large lounge and sit 7 or 8 feet away from the TV usually. My 55" set was fine and had a great picture but when I watched 21:9 blu rays I always felt like the picture was just a little bit too small.
I knew I wanted a 65" set so thought, oh well, might as well get a one I'll be happy with for a few years!
Turns out for my tastes 65" is fine for films with black bars at my viewing distance.
So I do get the concerns over the reduction in screen real estate in The Order.
I'm really interested to see if RAD manage to use aesthetics and the cinema style framing well enough to compensate people's misgivings.

They'll have to dramatically reduce that price, for me to even consider buying one. lol

 

[>-Baron-Spamedi-<]

You could have just bought a projector and a 100+" screen if black bars bother you that much.

Nah. Not for me.
My brother has a set up like that and it's good - don't get me wrong - in fact he says Elite looks incredible on it.
I'm happy with what I got though. Despite the slightly ridiculous cost.

If someone was wanting honest advice on whether it's worth it though I'd say hold off 4k until a) the price comes down; b) the 4k formats and standards are finalized and c) local array dimming is more common or edge lit LEDs iron out the inconsistent backlighting problems (OLED 4k will be further off, I think)
Unless you just love new gadgetry and don't mind the excessive cost, I suppose.

<edit> black bars don't bother me at all, per se. I enjoy seeing blu rays in their cinematic aspect ratio.
It was just that I prefer the larger screen at my viewing distance when watching 21:9 movies.