davepoobond
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If you wouldn't date transgender people, where do you begin to regard their gender?
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HUELEN10
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Absolutely not.
Are you saying we should all be bisexual?
Erin S Kittens
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Oh, plenty of people meet those standards. I just haven't met a white cis male who does.
Did you miss the part where I identified as queer?
Technically, a large percentage of transgender people are capable of carrying children. Erasing all trans identities except AMAB trans folk is problematic.
Zen_Arcade
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They're good enough reasons when that belief is doing nothing but denying the other person a date. Nobody owes anyone a date in the first place, and no one is degraded or losing their rights by someone rejecting them, unless they're straight up coming out and saying an offensive reason of why they're not attracted to the person.
You compared it to a situation where people were slaves. That's not a comparable situation to someone's personal preferences not matching up with the looks of someone who is interested in dating them.
GameGuru59
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Yup. That's about right.I share Evilore's opinion regarding this topic:
I would not date a transgender person.
King Cobra
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This right here folks is an example of a strawman.
Taking what I say and putting it into extreme context does very little to prove your point and actually hurts it.
Do you have any idea how much you are exaggerating? I have heard straight people say worse about the opposite sex, you just seem like you are tripping over yourself to be offended.
That was just a joke post, lol.
The reality is just that by refusing to date a transgendered person is that you're just accepting that dating them has too many disadvantages compared to dating a cisgendered person. They're not equal, surgeries aren't perfect, and trying to attribute it to preference is just dodging the truth.
Union Carbine
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You must be around a lot of lofty people then because I don't know anyone, cis white male or otherwise, who fits that bill and I'm quite proud of my circle of friends and acquaintances.
I share Evilore's opinion regarding this topic:
I would not date a transgender person.
Evilore bringing truth, this is exactly how I feel in an eloquent manner.
Erin S Kittens
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Spending time in intersectional feminist circles helps with this.
Eh, I can live with that if you want to consider it a prejudice. Evilore put it much better than I could though:
I share Evilore's opinion regarding this topic:
I would not date a transgender person.
I share Evilore's opinion regarding this topic:
I would not date a transgender person.
What a polite and scientific way of saying "no it's gross."
meltingparappa
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If you are attracted to someone and are someone who doesn't let gender fluidity act as an impediment towards mutual happiness, then
If you are don't find yourself attracted to a transgendered person before or after realizing that they've had a transition in their life, then
Attractions are fickle chemistry and highly subjective and don't necessarily conform to things that are convenient for you, which is why gay teens who identify on the extreme end of the kinsey scale will voluntarily go to a conversion camp and then live with complete anguish when those involuntary sexual attractions don't go away.
If you treat a transgendered person with a single ounce less of human dignity than you give the average cis person off the street, only then you are a terrible human being and I hope through time and patience of others, you come around and join a major social shift happening in our society.
If you are don't find yourself attracted to a transgendered person before or after realizing that they've had a transition in their life, then
Attractions are fickle chemistry and highly subjective and don't necessarily conform to things that are convenient for you, which is why gay teens who identify on the extreme end of the kinsey scale will voluntarily go to a conversion camp and then live with complete anguish when those involuntary sexual attractions don't go away.
If you treat a transgendered person with a single ounce less of human dignity than you give the average cis person off the street, only then you are a terrible human being and I hope through time and patience of others, you come around and join a major social shift happening in our society.
The asexual analogy is pretty bad because asexuality doesn't come from any judgement. It's not a case of "no one has the exact set of traits that I need to be attracted to someone". I personally don't think having preferences equals prejudice, though, I just wanted to point out that.
balgajo
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I really agree with that Griss.
But there something I've been asking to myself: What would I do if i discovered that my girlfriend is actually a transgender woman?
I mean, I'm in an almost 7 years relationship with a girl that I really like and I have evidence enough to believe she isn't a transgender woman. But let's say some big Deus Ex Machina happens in my life and I discover so. I really think that I wouldn't break up with her and somehow I would understand the reason for her hiding this from me for all this time.
Considering that I am a biologically-minded person, the thought of her not being born as a woman(sex) would probably lead me to not feel attraction towards her anymore and results in our relationship falling apart naturally.
But who knows..
tell themIf you are attracted to someone and are someone who doesn't let gender fluidity act as an impediment towards mutual happiness, then
If you are don't find yourself attracted to a transgendered person before or after realizing that they've had a transition in their life, then
Attractions are fickle chemistry and highly subjective and don't necessarily conform to things that are convenient for you, which is why gay teens who identify on the extreme end of the kinsey scale will voluntarily go to a conversion camp and then live with complete anguish when those involuntary sexual attractions don't go away.
If you treat a transgendered person with a single ounce less of human dignity than you give the average cis person off the street, only then you are a terrible human being and I hope through time and patience of others, you come around and join a major social shift happening in our society.
neogaf turning into a conservative forum now
completely shocking to read some social opinions on neogaf and compare the views to my age group
And_Gignac
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I share Evilore's opinion regarding this topic:
I would not date a transgender person.
Being the owner of this forum doesnt not make all of his opinions some kind of moral golden rule. In this case I would say his opinion is filled with toxic prejudices.
I wish some people would read my post from the last page. Instead of disregarding peoples preferences and putting words like "gross" into peoples mouths.
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I was not talking about that. He made a several factual claims about differences between the genitalia of trans woman as compared to cis women. I have heard varying claims on this issue, and haven't investigated it myself. He seemed very confident in his assertions, so I asked him how he got his knowledge. I didn't feel like the answer he gave me was very illuminating, so I tried asking again in a different way.
You should read the start of a conversation to make sure you actually understand what people are talking about, or something like this will happen.
Oh, I see. I was thinking about whether it worked, which is a different question than whether it can be used. Sorry!
There's a gestalt shift involved in so far as I socially regard transwomen as women and refer to them as such. Sexually, I must admit, I am unable to regard transwomen in precisely the way I regard cis-women. I have no sexual interest in transwomen. Clearly, and fortunately, some cis-men do not share this perspective. But to ask "how could a cis-man not want to have sex with let alone date a transwoman?" isn't far from asking "how can a gay man not want to have sex with a woman?" in so far as when the gestalt framing is sexual (I emphasize sexual), some unequivocally straight cis-men simply are unable to perceive transwomen as women.
If you really think someone eating pussy can't tell the difference, nothing can help you. I'm not arguing that fucking they might not be able to, but down inside, they aren't even close.
Lost Fragment
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Explain.
That's pretty rough. Even in this thread I feel quite a few posters would meet your criteria. It's a shame you haven't encountered such people face to face.
Yeah half the trans pop can do that but isn't the case most of them would still need a surrogate due to sexual orientation?
If your opinion is as ignorant as evilore I hope less people read it.
There's alot of misconceptions in his post.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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How many trans women have you eaten out?
Unless male to female transgender people are having fully functional wombs, ovaries, etc implanted, then I don't think it's going to work out for me.
Count Dookkake
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I'm not implying anything of the sort.
Of course they are people.
UGH!!!
Cute accusations. All false of course. I do just fine out there.
afternoon delight
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No, that's not what I'm saying. I am not issuing a statement on the value proposition of x relationships over y. What I am saying is that for me personally, I have no interest in a romantic relationship with a transgendered woman. I don't date lots of people for various reasons, and likewise they shouldn't care or have input on what I find sexually stimulating.
Union Carbine
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And_Gignac
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He is basically saying trans people should "deal with it" instead of trying to challenge the social and cultural constructs that create the toxic, dehumanizing view that trans women are not real women.
well, it reads like that. "I am just gonna let you suck my dick" is a casual way of saying "I think less of you, so I will only grant you certain level of interaction with me".
Pretty much agree with this. I'm very open-minded. Supportive of same-sex marriage, supportive of the transgendered community. However, I don't think I could ever be in a romantic relationship with a transgendered person. I'm sorry if that's wrong, or mean.
UncleSporky
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I understand all of this. I was using what you posted as a branching point.
Regardless of whether someone would know, it's something they should know, in the context of a real relationship.
Rationality is toxic now? I get it you disagree with us, but you do not have to call our opinions "toxic" and whatnot just because we do not agree. You can disagree, justify it, and continue to discuss in a civilized language.
How about you read it, and stop acting like a fool.
Then we can maybe engage some discussion and ignorance on both sides can be worked through.
Trojita
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Valid legal defense as in they can claim it legally without enforcement, but statistically that defense isn't effective. This defense often fails, and has been ruled inadmissible in many jurisdictions.
Damn..."my feminism is better than yours"
I don't agree with a lot of things that you believe in. I don't even know if "agree" or "believe" are the right verbs to convey that feeling, but I digress.
I understand your purpose though. You're the group that calibrate the national paradigm to an appropriate level between "your" view of feminism and, say, Fox News' view on feminism.
Ganzlinger
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I wouldn't date transgender people but I respect their rights. That's all that matters.
The world would improve overnight
I saw nothing of the sort. His response seemed to address nothing more than his own highly personal, sexual preference.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
How about you explain why first? What is the difference between you dating a cis woman and a trans woman who is post op? The trans woman, looks like a woman, acts like a woman, has breasts and a vagina as a woman, and you can't tell the difference, yet you would not date them?
Erin S Kittens
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There was a really awesome article I read a while back that went in depth as to why birth control and other forms of contraception were an LGBT issue. It broke down statistics about how a majority of queer-identified folk regularly have sex that can lead to pregnancy. I can't find it at the moment, but if I do, I'll post it.
At the very least, it's better than white feminism.
I'm aware that I'm an outlier. I'm okay with that.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
There is a divide that is a hard to bridge.
For some people, accepting and respecting a transgender persons choice to transition is not enough, they are also expected to accept the transgenders new identity as fully a male/female as someone who was born the equivalent biological sex.
That's difficult for me, and not something likely to change, either through debate or life experience (Too old.
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I accept and respect a transgender persons choice to identity how they wish whether transitioned or not, I do not however agree with the idea that a person who has transitioned is no different to a person born of the sex a transgender person chose to identify as.
This I can understand is upsetting to a transgender person, it means there is therefore a "limitation" on how far I consider a person to have "become" the gender that they identify as, but the cold hard truth is yes, that is true, to me and others there is a limitation that falls short of fully male/female than no transgender person can go beyond.
I respect your choice, I respect your decision to identify how you choose and I am truly truly sorry that those limitations exist, but for me, in all honesty, they do, for others they do and the degree that you may or may not pass will not change this.
For some people, accepting and respecting a transgender persons choice to transition is not enough, they are also expected to accept the transgenders new identity as fully a male/female as someone who was born the equivalent biological sex.
That's difficult for me, and not something likely to change, either through debate or life experience (Too old.
)I accept and respect a transgender persons choice to identity how they wish whether transitioned or not, I do not however agree with the idea that a person who has transitioned is no different to a person born of the sex a transgender person chose to identify as.
This I can understand is upsetting to a transgender person, it means there is therefore a "limitation" on how far I consider a person to have "become" the gender that they identify as, but the cold hard truth is yes, that is true, to me and others there is a limitation that falls short of fully male/female than no transgender person can go beyond.
I respect your choice, I respect your decision to identify how you choose and I am truly truly sorry that those limitations exist, but for me, in all honesty, they do, for others they do and the degree that you may or may not pass will not change this.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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"Despite your transitioning, you obviously aren't going to look/feel like entirely like a real woman in many ways." is pretty obviously toxic and is kind of fucking weird when applied to cis woman as well. There are tons of cis woman with masculine features who don't "look like a real woman in many ways."
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