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[Nanashrew]

She is making it harder for women, there is no denying that. Are you seriously trying to justify, because one side is doing something bad, the other side is excused from it, no matter the level of severity. Like come on. Also I think you need to read my posts, I'm saying she is adding on more bullshit needlessly through her actions; I am not saying the other side is justified in their actions. I do not understand how people are misconstruing my point.

Is this really a difficult thing to comprehend? I mean it's straight forward, one side does fucked up shit, and the other side doesn't help their situation, in fact making it worse, and yet they are saints and should not be critiqued, because how dare they, they were treated worse. I'm sorry shitty behaviour does not justify other shitty behaviour, no matter the severity. You only help in continue that cycle through those actions.



Oh how cute, you even have that new eurogamer review method. Both sides is a correct statement when they are both doing really shitty things and not helping their case at all pro-gg people of course with their swatting, death threats, doxxing etc... (even though they would like to believe it's for ethics in journalism - how they even believe they are fighting for that battle is beyond me at this point) and the victim creating scenarios which propagate and reinforce the sentiment against uninformed individuals and those part of it, which only further adds fuel to the fire - needlessly I might add.

Apparently any sort of critiquing is some sort of sentence to being cast as a gamergater. It's honestly tiresome at this point. This will be my last posting concerning anything related to gamergate, it's just not worth the headache and false accusations. Anyone who does anything against the norm is just automatically casted in with a group of morons, this board is about having discussions of topics and not being told to "fuck off", "shove it up your ass", "you are part of gamergate" because of a differing opinion - I would like to believe any opinion can be presented and discussed without throwing it to the side and being automatically put as an outcast for even the most minute of differing views. News flash, not everyone is a gamergater because they like to critically discuss a topic.



Yes, one persons behaviour does not absolve the other persons, no matter the severity. You are not going to be off the hook just because the other side is doing fucked up things, it does not justify your actions. It's like telling someone to murder a person who is a known murderer and who just killed someone last night. The end does not justify the means.

See, here's the thing. They receive endless harassment which can heavily effect a person's behavior. It has not ended for them. If Brianna or anyone has said anything dumb, they have apologized for it. Now if someone from GamerGate does something the other person will just call false flag and say that they had nothing to do with it and have no control over the other people in their movement. The person calling Brianna, Anita, Zoe or anyone the worst things you can imagine, will never, ever apologize for it because that is their goal.

And guess what, if you disagree with GamerGate, you're anti-GamerGate! But there is no such thing as anti-GamerGate, it's a false dichotomy to make it look like they have an opposing force when in reality the entire world is against them. There is no middle ground in this. They are a hate group, plain and simple.


Seriously, look at this.
https://twitter.com/srhbutts/status/565757271389782016
https://twitter.com/desertfox899/status/565747351688445953

GamerGate. Wants. People. Dead. They happily look up to villains in media and embrace them.

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What people may have a problem with is your words. In the old Gamergate thread there were a lot of people saying similar things with absolutely nothing to back up their claims while linking to Internet Aristocrat, Sargon of Arkkad and many other prominent GamerGaters and websites that have no legitimacy. We've all seen it before so any hostility you're getting comes from experience for the last 7 months across this forum and all of social media. So pardon me if I cannot find a middle ground in all of this.

 

[berzeli]

Appearance has a ton to do with it. GG is, at it's heart, about threatened men trying to force women to look and behave in a traditional manner. They believe that women should be defined by sex appeal, and that to focus on any other aspect of a woman is to miss the core point of her existence: pleasing men.

Said gay dude can do so, but if he wants to examine why that harassment campaign exists, he'll have to look at the differing concepts of female identity between GG supporters and detractors.

You still haven't managed in any way shape of form explain what appearance has to do with it. Do you not think that if a woman looked traditional to a tee but spoke against gamergate that she would be as much of a target as someone who looked "non-traditional"?

Adding to that, your original post was weirdly fixated on women and the "bone-ing" of men, which yet again has nothing to do with the matter at hand and I can't for the life of me figure out why you even mention it.

 

[Oersted]

I doubt these stats are true.

This is one way to handwave reality.

 

[Justin Bailey]

So everyone knows that trolling misogynist mouth breathers are worthy of scorn and derision, but can we address something maybe not as popular to acknowledge? If some internet kerfuffle is enough to make someone give up their supposed "dream", maybe they weren't especially committed to begin with. You fight for your dreams if you really believe in them.

I'm not so much referring to 12 year olds, but the wider swath of women referenced by the author. Not that it's fair that people have to face adversity through no fault of their own, but isn't that kind of, you know, life? So you persevere and become stronger for it. If the response to GamerGate is to be a victim and a shrinking violet, because of the incoherent ramblings of some transparently immature and purposely inflammatory shit stirrers, isn't that a vindication and reinforcement of the gender stereotypes? Adversity is something that can be overcome. Encountering it doesn't obviate a person of their responsibility for their own choices.

There's no better way to get one over on the creeps and naysayers than proving them wrong and becoming exactly what you want. I hope for every woman writing these letters of defeat there are two more catalyzed into action by the absurdity of overbearing manchildren.

Yeah bro. Let's have a shitload of people threaten to kill you and then you can tell me all about this "internet kerfuffle."

 

[Mesoian]

I doubt these stats are true. Maybe 45% of smartphone gamers, but not 40% console gamers.

40% of Wii/DS gamers, yeah I'd somewhat believe that. Not Xbox or PlayStation (as of 2009 only 10% of those who played PS3/Xbox 360 were women, and the PS4/One are even more geared towards the 18-34 male demographic than the PS3 and 360 were!).

Only 11% of Assassin's Creed or GTA players are female. 56% of Animal Crossing: New Leaf gamers are female however.

The thing is we don't know what we want. We say we want consoles to expand to other demographics, but when it did (Wii) it got bashed relentlessly by gamers.

Even Minecraft is extremely dominated by males: 94% of Minecraft players are male (http://minecraft-seeds.net/blog/minecraft-player-demographics/)

Unless we see another Wii console games will be dominated by males.

You are ignoring PC and Mobile.

 

[Orayn]

You are ignoring PC and Mobile.

Silly Mesoian, the goalposts are actually over there.

EDIT: ↓ IT KEEPS HAPPENING ↓

 

[AHUGECAT]

You are ignoring PC and Mobile.

I said "maybe smartphone gamers," but not console gamers. Even then PC gaming is dominated by males, unless we count Facebook games.

 

[Mesoian]

I said "maybe smartphone gamers," but not console gamers. Even then PC gaming is dominated by males, unless we count Facebook games.

Real question, not that it's terribly relevant, why wouldn't you?

Silly Mesoian, the goalposts are actually over there.

EDIT: ↓ IT KEEPS HAPPENING ↓

::Shrugs:: I'm used to it by now. "Gaming doesn't matter unless we're talking about the big 3, and even then it really only matters if Microsoft and Sony are doing it, regardless of the fact that there is a very real chance that this current generation will be the final wave of traditional gaming consoles we'll ever have, so no, nothing needs to change, everything is fine"

 

[The Technomancer]

I said "maybe smartphone gamers," but not console gamers. Even then PC gaming is dominated by males, unless we count Facebook games.

I don't know about that. Lots of women play Bookworm games, or Peggle, or whatever. A huge segment of the WoW (and MMO playing in general) population is women.

 

[Sai-kun]

I said "maybe smartphone gamers," but not console gamers. Even then PC gaming is dominated by males, unless we count Facebook games.

You know Facebook games are...games, right?

 

[AHUGECAT]

Real question, not that it's terribly relevant, why wouldn't you?



::Shrugs:: I'm used to it by now. "Gaming doesn't matter unless we're talking about the big 3, and even then it really only matters if Microsoft and Sony are doing it, regardless of the fact that there is a very real chance that this current generation will be the final wave of traditional gaming consoles we'll ever have, so no, nothing needs to change, everything is fine"

This is my point.

If we want to get more girl gamers, we need more things like the Wii and Candy Crush. That's how gaming will diversify itself.

But for the dream that 40% of console gamers (outside Wii) are female gamers? Lol. I don't even tell most girls I know I play console games outside Mario Kart or Kingdom Hearts cause of the stereotypes.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

I read the article and got really sad. Then I read posts by banned people and I laughed a lot. Then I remembered the context, and now I feel both sad and guilty.

 

[Briarios]

If we want more female gamers, we need more diversity in gaming experiences -- from the type of games to the POV. I know plenty of women into the more "hardcore" games, and plenty that love mobile stuff.

But here's a secret a lot of people don't seem to talk about -- more diversity doesn't just mean more female gamers, it means more gamers period. It's good for the industry and its good for gamers. The kinds of games we have now don't have to go away, we just need to be open and supportive of different experiences, even if they aren't exactly what we would play ourselves. And, maybe, its ok to kind of stretch our comfort zones and play something different once in awhile.

The fact is, the more variety we have entering into the gaming ecosystem - both as gamers and developers - the better it is for everyone.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

This is my point.

If we want to get more girl gamers, we need more things like the Wii and Candy Crush. That's how gaming will diversify itself.

But for the dream that 40% of console gamers (outside Wii) are female gamers? Lol. I don't even tell most girls I know I play console games outside Mario Kart or Kingdom Hearts cause of the stereotypes.

The reality is that women just aren't interested in the casual gaming platforms we call consoles, they're after more interesting and hardcore experiences like those available on PC.

 

[Shining Sunshine]

Well thousands of people, men or women, abandon their dreams for game development when they realize it's not fun and games.

 

[hotnheavyload]

Brianna Wu's scaremongering is making dozens of women abandon their dream.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Brianna Wu's scaremongering is making dozens of women abandon their dream.

Would you, by chance, consider her a professional victim?

Well thousands of people, men or women, abandon their dreams for game development when they realize it's not fun and games.

How is this relevant to this topic?

 

[Palette Swap]

This is my point.

If we want to get more girl gamers, we need more things like the Wii and Candy Crush. That's how gaming will diversify itself.

No, it just means you have a notion of what gamers are, what female gamers like, and when faced with evidence to the contrary, you solve that cognitive dissonance by questioning it rather than your worldview.

 

[Emperor_Uriel]

You still haven't managed in any way shape of form explain what appearance has to do with it. Do you not think that if a woman looked traditional to a tee but spoke against gamergate that she would be as much of a target as someone who looked "non-traditional"?

Adding to that, your original post was weirdly fixated on women and the "bone-ing" of men, which yet again has nothing to do with the matter at hand and I can't for the life of me figure out why you even mention it.

GG is part of a greater cultural backlash against non-traditional women. To the men who support this backlash, woman having short hair and dressing in gender-neutral or traditionally masculine is transgressive on a physical level, a woman being a game designer/player is transgressive on a vocational/ideological level and a woman speaking out about her rights is transgressive on a societal/ideological level.

I can't speak for everyone involved, but I imagine that most of the women who are being targeted in GG are not the type to subscribe to traditional gender roles. Quinn and Sarkeesian don't look like traditional women, behave like traditional women or work in traditionally female occupations. A ton of the threats and insults thrown at them center around their appearances.

Sex has a lot to do with the backlash as well. It's the transformation from the concept of women as perceived sexual objects to women as individuals who can be attractive and sexual without being defined by sex. None of this is favorable to the men who find restrictive gender roles beneficial to them.

 

[Sai-kun]

Well thousands of people, men or women, abandon their dreams for game development when they realize it's not fun and games.

That's all you've gleaned from this topic? Really?

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

This is very sad, the medium needs more women not less. Pointing tropes and shit won't do anything unless more women are involved in the creative process of games, like wrtting or directing them.

 

[Michanical]

I doubt these stats are true. Maybe 45% of smartphone gamers, but not 40% console gamers.

40% of Wii/DS gamers, yeah I'd somewhat believe that. Not Xbox or PlayStation (as of 2009 only 10% of those who played PS3/Xbox 360 were women, and the PS4/One are even more geared towards the 18-34 male demographic than the PS3 and 360 were!).

Only 11% of Assassin's Creed or GTA players are female. 56% of Animal Crossing: New Leaf gamers are female however.

The thing is we don't know what we want. We say we want consoles to expand to other demographics, but when it did (Wii) it got bashed relentlessly by gamers.

Even Minecraft is extremely dominated by males: 94% of Minecraft players are male (http://minecraft-seeds.net/blog/minecraft-player-demographics/)

Unless we see another Wii console games will be dominated by males.

Cool! That’s a really solid argument you’ve made there. “I doubt these stats are true.” All your stats show is that women prefer different games to men. Do you have any evidence showing a different set of statistics about console games?

Here’s another one to disprove your 2009 point:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...rprising-facts-lost-in-the-mess-of-gamergate/

Here’s what 2011 looked like:

Here’s what 2014 looked like:

Also, if you do the math on those 2014 numbers, you’ll see the 40% figure.

You are talking out your ass with “and the ps4/one are even more geared towards the 18-34 male demographics.” Where did this even come from?

That’s two studies that show that the number of women playing console games is 40%. This is Playstation and Xbox, not Nintendo Wii. Your view of gaming is out-of-date.


Edit: Accidentally left off the super important point in graph 2 that says "percentage frequency of PS3/4 and Xbox 360/one"

 

[Komputerwelt]

Well thousands of people, men or women, abandon their dreams for game development when they realize it's not fun and games.

This a really naive view to have & also very simplistic considering the subject matter. No one deserves the threat of possible physical harm or abuse within their workplace...

 

[AHUGECAT]

Cool! That’s a really solid argument you’ve made there. “I doubt these stats are true.” All your stats show is that women prefer different games to men. Do you have any evidence showing a different set of statistics about console games?

Here’s another one to disprove your 2009 point:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...rprising-facts-lost-in-the-mess-of-gamergate/

Here’s what 2011 looked like:

Here’s what 2014 looked like:


Also, if you do the math on those 2014 numbers, you’ll see the 40% figure.

You are talking out your ass with “and the ps4/one are even more geared towards the 18-34 male demographics.” Where did this even come from?

That’s two studies that show that the number of women playing console games is 40%. This is Playstation and Xbox, not Nintendo Wii. Your view of gaming is out-of-date.

I worked at Best Buy during the height of the Wii phenomenon, and every time a girl came in to buy a game for herself, it was a Wii game. Moms would get 360 and PS3 games, but if they bought a game for themselves it was Just Dance or Wii Fit.

Gaming forums are 90%+ male for a reason. I actually can't believe I am arguing console gender demographics lol. Go to your local game stores to see them.

 

[Vlade]

forgive me for being new and asking questions, but could someone tell me what GamerGate is?

this doesn't seem different from anyone else who stops chasing their dreams.

maybe if people would be less public with the injustices against them, i would be more inclined to believe the severity they claim.

Spoiler

fucking god damn angry sarcasm

 

[Mesoian]

This is my point.

If we want to get more girl gamers, we need more things like the Wii and Candy Crush. That's how gaming will diversify itself.

But for the dream that 40% of console gamers (outside Wii) are female gamers? Lol. I don't even tell most girls I know I play console games outside Mario Kart or Kingdom Hearts cause of the stereotypes.

Have you ever stopped to consider that the girls aren't telling you they play games because of the stereotypes on them? You gotta remember, up until 4 years ago, basically all marketing for video games had the mantra of, "Video games: It's not for women".

Meanwhile, every girl I've dated in the past 5 years, which I'll admit isn't a huge amount, but still, owned a super nintendo.

Gaming forums are 90%+ male for a reason. I actually can't believe I am arguing console gender demographics lol. Go to your local game stores to see them.

You know, this is poor of me, but the only thing that picture reminds me of is the laser cheese. Which...I guess is something? I don't know.

I worked at Best Buy during the height of the Wii phenomenon, and every time a girl came in to buy a game for herself, it was a Wii game. Moms would get 360 and PS3 games, but if they bought a game for themselves it was Just Dance or Wii Fit.

I mean, yeah, Amazon is a thing now. As a male gamer, the last time I bought anything gaming related at a Best Buy was when I needed to buy 4 xbox's for work and we needed them the same day. If a girl is insecure about revealing herself as a gamer, but is still going to do it on the DL, why would she buy her video games anywhere but online, especially when the online option is the easier, less stressful option?

forgive me for being new and asking questions, but could someone tell me what GamerGate is?

this doesn't seem different from anyone else who stops chasing their dreams.

maybe if people would be less public with the injustices against them, i would be more inclined to believe the severity they claim.

Spoiler

fucking god damn angry sarcasm

It's scary that this is still the best GG synopsis on the internet. I wish it wasn't.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=135783202&postcount=5

 

[The Technomancer]

I worked at Best Buy during the height of the Wii phenomenon, and every time a girl came in to buy a game for herself, it was a Wii game. Moms would get 360 and PS3 games, but if they bought a game for themselves it was Just Dance or Wii Fit.

Gaming forums are 90%+ male for a reason. I actually can't believe I am arguing console gender demographics lol. Go to your local game stores to see them.

I think that says more about game stores and game forums than it does about who plays games

 

[Nanashrew]

Brianna Wu's scaremongering is making dozens of women abandon their dream.

Care to elaborate? Because it's all real. The harassment, the death threats, all of it are real and all of it are largely targeted at women. There are men who have fight against GamerGate and rarely threatened as much as the women are. GamerGate doesn't trust women, not even among their own ranks.

 

[Zomba13]

Brianna Wu's scaremongering is making dozens of women abandon their dream.

hotnheavyload
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Certainly a fitting name for a post like that.

 

[hotnheavyload]

Would you, by chance, consider her a professional victim?

Brianna Wu is a narcissistic opportunist.

I don't consider her at all.

 

[The Technomancer]

Brianna Wu is a narcissistic opportunist.

I don't consider her at all.

What opportunities has she jumped on?

 

[Anton Sugar]

forgive me for being new and asking questions, but could someone tell me what GamerGate is?

this doesn't seem different from anyone else who stops chasing their dreams.

maybe if people would be less public with the injustices against them, i would be more inclined to believe the severity they claim.

Spoiler

fucking god damn angry sarcasm

We really do need a list of shit to not ask or say in these topics, because it happens every single time.

"Can someone tell me what GamerGate is?"
"Both sides have done some bad stuff"
"Did Zoe actually cheat on him with five guys?"
"I haven't followed this, but [uninformed opinion]"
"Harassment happens to everyone, you need tough skin"

 

[Michanical]

Brianna Wu's scaremongering is making dozens of women abandon their dream.

I worked at Best Buy during the height of the Wii phenomenon, and every time a girl came in to buy a game for herself, it was a Wii game. Moms would get 360 and PS3 games, but if they bought a game for themselves it was Just Dance or Wii Fit.

Gaming forums are 90%+ male for a reason. I actually can't believe I am arguing console gender demographics lol. Go to your local game stores to see them.

Congrats, you are using anecdotal evidence to prove… absolutely nothing.

If you read the graphs I posted, they explain that the number of female console gamers grew 70% between 2011 and 2014. The explosive growth for Nintendo happened prior to 2011 and, again, these numbers are only playstation and xbox, according to the charts.

Please provide actual evidence, not fallacy riddled personal accounts.

 

[hotnheavyload]

What opportunities has she jumped on?

Where and who was she before this gamergate nonsense began?

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Brianna Wu is a narcissistic opportunist.

I don't consider her at all.

So you're basically saying she's taking the opportunity to speak up against her attackers.

Which is true. But how is that a negative?

 

[Vlade]

Where and who was she before this gamergate nonsense began?

home and happy?

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Where and who was she before this gamergate nonsense began?

Probably not being attacked, I think.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Where and who was she before this gamergate nonsense began?

Exactly where and who she is now, a sex positive feminist making sex positive feminist games on the internet.

 

[NateDrake]

Have you ever stopped to consider that the girls aren't telling you they play games because of the stereotypes on them? You gotta remember, up until 4 years ago, basically all marketing for video games had the mantra of, "Video games: It's not for women".

Meanwhile, every girl I've dated in the past 5 years, which I'll admit isn't a huge amount, but still, owned a super nintendo.

How do you figure the "up until 4yrs ago" idea?

 

[berzeli]

GG is part of a greater cultural backlash against non-traditional women. To the men who support this backlash, woman having short hair and dressing in gender-neutral or traditionally masculine is transgressive on a physical level, a woman being a game designer/player is transgressive on a vocational/ideological level and a woman speaking out about her rights is transgressive on a societal/ideological level.

What greater cultural backlash? You use a lot of words but you're saying very little with and you still haven't been able to explain why appearance is important. At all, I'm not being obtuse here, you still haven't been able to explain why you posted pictures of women and then went "gg likes their ladies likes and anti-gg likes their women like that", for some reason added comments about their sexual behaviour and then claimed that those aspects were the driving force of gamergate.

I can't speak for everyone involved, but I imagine that most of the women who are being targeted in GG are not the type to subscribe to traditional gender roles. Quinn and Sarkeesian don't look like traditional women, behave like traditional women or work in traditionally female occupations. A ton of the threats and insults thrown at them center around their appearances.

You continue to assert that appearance is what matters and when pressed on the issue you start talking about behaviour. And I'm not sure that using insults is a good way of gauging what is important, women being insulted for their looks isn't exactly anything new.

Sex has a lot to do with the backlash as well. It's the transformation from the concept of women as perceived sexual objects to women as individuals who can be attractive and sexual without being defined by sex. None of this is favorable to the men who find restrictive gender roles beneficial to them.

Yet again, this has nothing to do with the topic at hand and it added nothing to your earlier post but a tang of creepiness.

 

[Zomba13]

Where and who was she before this gamergate nonsense began?

Not going to miss you at all.

 

[AHUGECAT]

Congrats, you are using anecdotal evidence to prove… absolutely nothing.

If you read the graphs I posted, they explain that the number of female console gamers grew 70% between 2011 and 2014. The explosive growth for Nintendo happened prior to 2011 and, again, these numbers are only playstation and xbox, according to the charts.

Please provide actual evidence, not fallacy riddled personal accounts.

What's funny is that what I am proposing would actually expand the demographics like so many of you want, but go ahead and keep believing 40% of PS4 players are female.

 

[Deleted member 10571]

I mean, yeah, Amazon is a thing now. As a male gamer, the last time I bought anything gaming related at a Best Buy was when I needed to buy 4 xbox's for work and we needed them the same day. If a girl is insecure about revealing herself as a gamer, but is still going to do it on the DL, why would she buy her video games anywhere but online, especially when the online option is the easier, less stressful option?

What, so women should just order online and hide then? The whole point, right over your head.
They feel insecure why, what's your guess? Why should she be worried about "revealing herself" as a gamer? And "why would she buy anywhere but online"? Really?

 

[Mesoian]

Where and who was she before this gamergate nonsense began?

She was a game developer working on an iOS game, same as a couple hundred other people. She was far along enough to have working prototypes to show off and had booths at multiple gaming events. I met Brianna Wu years before Gamergate popped off.

Why do you think that vilifying yourself to hordes of maladjusted people would mean great success for yourself? Do you think that being a target of maleficence is going to make her game sell any better than if she just did the usual rounds of enthusiast press? And if so, what in the world would make you think that?

 

[hotnheavyload]

So you're basically saying she's taking the opportunity to speak up against her attackers.

Which is true. But how is that a negative?

I'm saying that whenever I see her interviewed or addressing the issues, she uses it as a platform of self promotion.

Her Reddit AMA was dreadful.

I don't dislike the message, I just dislike the way she operates.

 

[hotnheavyload]

Not going to miss you at all.

Why?

Being a mixed-raced, homosexual son of a single mother, I clearly hate women.

Please don't assume I have some sort of agenda. Hilarious.

 

[faceless007]

I'm saying that whenever I see her interviewed or addressing the issues, she uses it as a platform of self promotion.

Her Reddit AMA was dreadful.

I don't dislike the message, I just dislike the way she operates.

How would you prefer someone on the receiving end of untold amounts of harassment, threats, and doxxing, react?

 

[Mesoian]

What, so women should just order online and hide then? The whole point, right over your head.
They feel insecure why, what's your guess? Why should she be worried about "revealing herself" as a gamer? And "why would she buy anywhere but online"? Really?

I'm not saying the should have to, I'm saying they DO, contrary to AHUGECAT's statement that they don't even exist.

As for why they currently feel insecure and uncomfortable, it's probably because they have to deal with shit like this every time they so much as go into a store that sells something that's traditionally "for boys".

Like, I wish that video was funnier for me, but shit dude, I see that happen all the god damn time in gamestops, comic shops, anime cons, shit is real.

I'm saying that whenever I see her interviewed or addressing the issues, she uses it as a platform of self promotion.

Her Reddit AMA was dreadful.

I don't dislike the message, I just dislike the way she operates.

So...because she had a bad AMA, she's a bad game developer?

You need to really put some words behind this because right now, regardless of your situation, you're calling for a witch hunt against her because of their people skills.

How do you figure the "up until 4yrs ago" idea?

Marketing has gotten SLIGHTLY better and, more importantly, how we accept marketing has changed. I consider the Dead Island bust fiasco to be the real tipping point to where people stopped just laughing at this dumb shit and said, "No, stop, for real, this is not okay".

Why?

Being a mixed-raced, homosexual son of a single mother, I clearly hate women.

Please don't assume I have some sort of agenda. Hilarious.

"It's okay, I have black friends".

 

[Toxi]

I worked at Best Buy during the height of the Wii phenomenon, and every time a girl came in to buy a game for herself, it was a Wii game. Moms would get 360 and PS3 games, but if they bought a game for themselves it was Just Dance or Wii Fit.

The surveys posted estimated a 70% increase between 2011 and 2014.

 

[pokeystaples]

I worked at Best Buy during the height of the Wii phenomenon, and every time a girl came in to buy a game for herself, it was a Wii game. Moms would get 360 and PS3 games, but if they bought a game for themselves it was Just Dance or Wii Fit.

Gaming forums are 90%+ male for a reason. I actually can't believe I am arguing console gender demographics lol. Go to your local game stores to see them.

Can't speak for all women, but I almost never buy games in store...for the same reason I stopped buying comics in store. Amazon or bust!