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[sploatee]

Protected?

Trans people are far from protected. It's so bad they have to hide it even within the gay and Lesbian community.

Hell so feminist hate my very existence because they feel I have no right to be as I am.

Feminist here. Same sex relationship which would make me a lesbian, I guess. And I went to see a show by a trans woman tonight where the audience was >50% gay women, who laughed, cried and cheered. There was an ovation and we were all stamping our feet to make the most noise possible.

Don't pay any mind to the womyn types or the radical feminists.

 

[Fink]

Maybe because that person want's a child that shares their DNA? Something that's not just ideas to pass down? Is that so hard to understand, I mean Humanity has been doing that for the past hundred thousands of years. Not sure why it's starting to come into question now.

DNA ties don't matter to me. My parents who raised me are also my biological parents, but I feel like even if I wasn't related to them I would still love them just the same. And I'm closer to my friends than my family members, so I guess I value ideas more than lineage.

I don't get why blood relations are so important to some people, sometimes it's an excuse to make you stuck with people you don't like.

 

[Ms.Galaxy]

I can tell you honestly that I'm sorry for any insensitive shit I may have said in this thread. And I'm sorry for any of the shit that you may have to go through in your daily life because you're trans.

With that said, please don't hurt yourself. I know it's probably a statistical observation, but I'd hate to think my thoughts could hurt another individual.

Don't worry about it, it would take a lot more to push me towards killing myself. I already have been kicked out of my home, been harassed and assaulted by my "friends" and family, have been doxxed and swatted once, and I was almost sexually assaulted.

I'm a tough girl, but sometimes you just sit and cry after everything that happened, you know.

 

[Izuna]

Surely you could have the romantic/sexual relationship with anyone and get a surrogate mother rather than adopting?

You know there are so many ethics surrounding surrogacy. Really not something I want to do, especially since I've imagine running out and getting food/taking care of the mother of my child while pregnant ever since I watched Father of the Bride 2.

I don't like this notion that I have to be okay with radical options in order to not be a bigot. It's not like someone saying they prefer to look up a Britannica over Wikipedia, this is one of the those natural things in life where completely unpredictable things determine WHICH of my genes get passed down.

There is so much we don't even understand when it comes to surrogacy, I would choose adoption over it myself.

 

[Winterfang]

Right, but they each have their trials and tribulations. A couple could just as easily separate during the pregnancy, and physical distress could severely hamper or even halt the baby's development in the womb entirely. I know what you mean, but I'm not trying to disagree with the difficulties of adoption so much as I am trying to illustrate similar challenges presented during pregnancy. You also have to consider that in a situation where someone's trying to have a kid, but they happen to miscarry or lose them more than one trimester into the pregnancy, it's probably going to be a while before they want to try again.
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The thing, sure there's a chance of a couple not being able to have a kid or separate or have a miscarry. That happens all the time, there's a chance you can't have the kid, but one thing is to might not able to become a parent sure, but we are talking about a 100% failure rate. It's either adopt or go home. I don't understand how can people think this cannot be a deal breaker for some people.

 

[User 73706]

No. The best time to try again is within 6 months. As someone who lost a child who was stillborn, we tried again within 6 months and became pregnant. And you want to pay someone thousands of dollars to become a surrogate? What if you don't have that type of money? What if you don't want to go through the process of finding someone?

I meant "a while" more relatively, as in a couple of months, not years on end.

And again, paying for surrogacy very much hinges on just how much you want to pay to continue your "legacy." You really don't see many individuals outside of hetereosexual males placing such a strong emphasis on perpetuating their genetics above everything else.

Do MK characters specialize in sophistry? You agree the concepts are grounded in objectivity which is all I suggested.

...no, I said the human constructs are objectively grounded. That is, just like how "race" among humans is a manmade construct, when ethnicity or nationality would be more accurate while race more literally means "species." The concepts would happen to be the literal species, in this case. Sexuality is simply a part of causality; it is the idea in which the notion of a quantified descriptor - "hetereosexual," "homosexual," etc. - is rooted in.

 

[Air]

As an aside, I've been using tinder for a while and whenever I come across a trans person on the site, they always note it in their profile. I'd imagine it's easier to do it there since there's no fear of physical harm.

 

[Zoe]

If you're a trans woman who doesn't have remnants of manhood then I don't see why you would need to disclose. It's not like it's an STD.

If someone had a boob job would they need to disclose that beforehand also?

If you're talking long term relationships, then yes, I'd say it's perfectly normal to expect your partner to disclose conditions that would require ongoing medical care, to which both of those apply.

I meant "a while" more relatively, as in a couple of months, not years on end.

And again, paying for surrogacy very much hinges on just how much you want to pay to continue your "legacy." You really don't see many individuals outside of hetereosexual males placing such a strong emphasis on perpetuating their genetics above everything else.

Actually going through the experience of a pregnancy, having the child of the man they love, is very important to MANY women.

 

[Fink]

Becaue perhaps people don't want to go through an adoption process? Perhaps people want to have their SO be pregnant with their genes? Perhaps people aren't attracted to someone who wasn't born with a womb and natural female parts? Seriously, the fact that so many in this thread are trying to demonize folks who aren't interested in being in a relationship with a trans person is crazy.

My argument isn't just about trans women. There are people here saying that they would not date any woman, xx or xy chromosome, who could not have a child. I think it's kind of silly that one would turn away from someone they like for that reason when there are other options available.

If you're talking long term relationships, then yes, I'd say it's perfectly normal to expect your partner to disclose conditions that would require ongoing medical care, to which both of those apply.

We were talking about one night stands.

 

[Izuna]

My argument isn't just about trans women. There are people here saying that they would not date any woman, xx or xy chromosome, who could not have a child. I think it's kind of silly that one would turn away from someone they like for that reason when there are other options available.

Halo 2 kicking my ass.

If I found out my SO couldn't conceive anymore, I wouldn't dump her, I would still marry her. We will talk options then. But knowing someone is trans, that is before any serious feelings even happen, knowing that you can't get them pregnant.

It wouldn't be logical to not try and find something that suits as many of one criteria. How much you do so depends on your chances of actually being able to settle down with anyone haha. But it's not as if anyone is saying "not even if they were the last woman on earth".

 

[LUFTRAUSER]

If you're talking long term relationships, then yes, I'd say it's perfectly normal to expect your partner to disclose conditions that would require ongoing medical care, to which both of those apply.

I agree. If I were dating a woman that was once quite ugly but had been surgically altered, I'd like to know, as her "inferior genes" would still be passed on to my potential offspring.

That reminds me: if medical science is able to advance to the point that a person can have an entirely new body grown for them from their own DNA but altered to reflect their desired sex and their brain is implanted in that body, then I would probably not have any issue dating such a person; my only hold up would be that I would also require that their genes were also corrected so that any resultant children are not similarly afflicted with being born with the wrong kind of body.

 

[Beth Cyra]

Feminist here. Same sex relationship which would make me a lesbian, I guess. And I went to see a show by a trans woman tonight where the audience was >50% gay women, who laughed, cried and cheered. There was an ovation and we were all stamping our feet to make the most noise possible.

Don't pay any mind to the womyn types or the radical feminists.

Oh I don't mean everyone.


I got love for women over the whole spectrum. I only take issue with the idea of Trans Folk being protected.

Gaf has some very amazing people and I love some posters here as they've been so kind, that said my existence is an anomaly and several people like myself are terrified of others with in the Gay/Lesbian community and the louder feminist who go so far only drive that fear deeper.

Sorry if table first post came across as a generalization, that wasn't my intention.

 

[badblue]

I don't really get this notion. This problem can't be solved with adoption? Why is it such a turn off for people?

Surely you could have the romantic/sexual relationship with anyone and get a surrogate mother rather than adopting?

There are couples out there that have been together 10+ years that divorce over this. Adopting is expensive and so is invitro. (because really, is your SO going to be ok with you fertilizing eggs the old fashion way with a surrogate)

It's one thing going into a relationship knowing that kids are not possible and being ok with that. But if you want a child, then in almost all cases being with someone that can get pregnant is the easiest thing to do.

 

[Izuna]

I agree. If I were dating a woman that was once quite ugly but had been surgically altered, I'd like to know, as her inferior genes would still be passed on to my potential offspring.

That reminds me: if medical science is able to advance to the point that a person can have an entirely new body grown for them from their own DNA but altered to reflect their desired sex and their brain is implanted in that body, then I would probably not have any issue dating such a person; my only hold up would be that I would also require that their genes were also corrected so that any resultant children are not similarly afflicted with being born with the wrong kind of body.

Hahahahaha what?
Invention of Lying comes to life?

But though, any change for sake of one being more beautiful would make me really and deeply consider that person is probably shallow anyway, so it's all a turn off regardless for myself.

But ugly people having ugly kids, it would have to be some serious change for that to occur.

 

[Log4Girlz]

I agree. If I were dating a woman that was once quite ugly but had been surgically altered, I'd like to know, as her "inferior genes" would still be passed on to my potential offspring.

That reminds me: if medical science is able to advance to the point that a person can have an entirely new body grown for them from their own DNA but altered to reflect their desired sex and their brain is implanted in that body, then I would probably not have any issue dating such a person; my only hold up would be that I would also require that their genes were also corrected so that any resultant children are not similarly afflicted with being born with the wrong kind of body.

Completely new bodies is totally the future.

 

[User 73706]

I agree. If I were dating a woman that was once quite ugly but had been surgically altered, I'd like to know, as her "inferior genes" would still be passed on to my potential offspring.

That reminds me: if medical science is able to advance to the point that a person can have an entirely new body grown for them from their own DNA but altered to reflect their desired sex and their brain is implanted in that body, then I would probably not have any issue dating such a person; my only hold up would be that I would also require that their genes were also corrected so that any resultant children are not similarly afflicted with being born with the wrong kind of body.

...hoo boy.

As an aside, I've been using tinder for a while and whenever I come across a trans person on the site, they always note it in their profile. I'd imagine it's easier to do it there since there's no fear of physical harm.

Right, which is inversely why you see so many of those dumb "I don't date black guys" / "masc for masc" / "no asians" descriptions on the other side of the playing field.

 

[Winterfang]

Hahahahaha what?
Invention of Lying comes to life?

But though, any change for sake of one being more beautiful would make me really and deeply consider that person is probably shallow anyway, so it's all a turn off regardless for myself.

But ugly people having ugly kids, it would have to be some serious change for that to occur.

Reminds me of that story of that Asian guy that divorced and sued his wife because she gave them ugly children. Turns out she had extensive cosmetic surgery and her kids where butt ugly. Of course that's most of an urban legend than a story.

 

[Fink]

That reminds me: if medical science is able to advance to the point that a person can have an entirely new body grown for them from their own DNA but altered to reflect their desired sex and their brain is implanted in that body, then I would probably not have any issue dating such a person; my only hold up would be that I would also require that their genes were also corrected so that any resultant children are not similarly afflicted with being born with the wrong kind of body.

Screw desired sex; I want to be a dragon. This is the future of medicine.

 

[esms]

Don't worry about it, it would take a lot more to push me towards killing myself. I already have been kicked out of my home, been harassed and assaulted by my "friends" and family, have been doxxed and swatted once, and I was almost sexually assaulted.

I'm a tough girl, but sometimes you just sit and cry after everything that happened, you know.

I don't know, simple as that. Goddamn.

Know this, though. You are a stronger individual than most people out there. The fact that you can cope is a testament to your strength as a person beyond normal tolerable amounts of harassment. I hope you find more peace in the future.

 

[Cream]

I would think that men willing to participate in an open relationship would forfeit any reasonable expectation of so-called conventional morality; it to me at any rate seems highly hypocritical that a person whose only relation to another largely consists of what orifice they stick their genitalia into should care about the quality of its destination. That she has notified you that she was born with an incorrect biology is something I would consider to be obligatory, however, as I would guess that you are if nothing else her statistically significant other amongst many casual couplings; I'm assuming of course that you are emotionally intimate as well as physically, but I am unsure how "open relationships" even work.

In any case, the fact remains that, as I do not engage in casual dating and the prevalence of transsexuality is so low, I do not, for all practical purposes, need to even consider this question, as in all likelihood their will never be a situation in my life where the need for such speculation arises.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Please stop.

 

[sploatee]

Completely new bodies is totally the future.

I am going to spread my consciousness over two bodies.

 

[Izuna]

Reminds me of that story of that Asian guy that divorced and sued his wife because she gave them ugly children. Turns out she had extensive cosmetic surgery and her kids where butt ugly. Of course that's most of an urban legend than a story.

It's a true story though. He won haha.

It just shows that this guy is kinda fucked. I don't know.

I don't really understand how he could marry and have a child with someone and not know. It would have been better if she did mention the surgery, her family or whatever, but she may not have known her old looks would have mattered so much. I don't know how ugly the kids was.

But he will always be an ugly person.

 

[LUFTRAUSER]

Screw desired sex; I want to be a dragon. This is the future of medicine.

My brief involvement in the furry community put me in contact with people that echoed similar sentiments with total sincerity; though I will in fact likely live to see a future where this become a serious societal consideration, I currently do not put much thought into what this sort of radical modification could do to humanity, if it has any serious effect at all.

 

[Sai-kun]

I would think that men willing to participate in an open relationship would forfeit any reasonable expectation of so-called conventional morality; it to me at any rate seems highly hypocritical that a person whose only relation to another largely consists of what orifice they stick their genitalia into should care about the quality of its destination. That she has notified you that she was born with an incorrect biology is something I would consider to be obligatory, however, as I would guess that you are if nothing else her statistically significant other amongst many casual couplings; I'm assuming of course that you are emotionally intimate as well as physically, but I am unsure how "open relationships" even work.

no fucking kidding

holy shit that's a lot of words

 

[Log4Girlz]

Screw desired sex; I want to be a dragon. This is the future of medicine.

Body modifications are becoming so drastic that you already have people going down that road. Full body, perfect customization is the future. If you read the culture (sci fi series) wiki and just ignore the ftl space ships and whatnot I think it is a very good expectation for the human future. The future is going to be awesome.

 

[User 73706]

I am going to spread my consciousness over two bodies.

I'm going to be a cat. Not, like, an anthropomorphic cat-man. Just a housecat for some rich family. It's pretty much the closest thing to corporeal heaven that exists.

 

[HK-47]

Body modifications are becoming so drastic that you already have people going down that road. Full body, perfect customization is the future. If you read the culture (sci fi series) wiki and just ignore the ftl space ships and whatnot I think it is a very good expectation for the human future. The future is going to be awesome.

Except Banks didnt think humans would ever be the culture.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Body modifications are becoming so drastic that you already have people going down that road. Full body, perfect customization is the future. If you read the culture (sci fi series) wiki and just ignore the ftl space ships and whatnot I think it is a very good expectation for the human future. The future is going to be awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et9b7LWfnxQ

One day we'll be choosing the color of our babies~

 

[LUFTRAUSER]

You have no idea what you're talking about. Please stop.

You are correct, hence my assertion that "I am unsure how "open relationships" even work." I was hoping that you would fill me in on any inaccuracies, but it would seem you have elected to participate in the venerable Internet tradition of simply telling me that I'm wrong and suggesting that I cease any interaction. You can have that viewpoint if you wish, but please be advised that such conduct does not beget sympathy to those who would perhaps misunderstand you.

 

[Cream]

no fucking kidding

holy shit that's a lot of words

Apparently because I'm in an open relationship, I can't use morals the same way "normal" people do.

 

[Winterfang]

I think the thread got kind of silly. I might be finally be able to sleep, if it wasn't for this splitting headache.

 

[User 73706]

You are correct, hence my assertion that "I am unsure how "open relationships" even work." I was hoping that you would fill me in on any inaccuracies, but it would seem you have elected to participate in the venerable Internet tradition of simply telling me that I'm wrong and suggesting that I cease any interaction. You can have that viewpoint if you wish, but please be advised that such conduct does not beget sympathy to those who would perhaps misunderstand you.

Dude, even I'm a chatty guy and your posts are irking me. I feel like there's no compassion or thought behind them.

 

[Cream]

You are correct, hence my assertion that "I am unsure how "open relationships" even work." I was hoping that you would fill me in on any inaccuracies, but it would seem you have elected to participate in the venerable Internet tradition of simply telling me that I'm wrong and suggesting that I cease any interaction. You can have that viewpoint if you wish, but please be advised that such conduct does not beget sympathy to those who would perhaps misunderstand you.

You're correct. I apologize. Allow me to educate you.

The simple fact is, both my girlfriend and myself live by a very simple, yet controversial moral rule. We separate love from sex. We have the ability and the pleasure of looking past the barriers that sex puts in a relationship, and it strengthens our bond, and always us to have fun in life. We love each other more than anyone else on the planet, and no amount of sex will change that. My relationship with her consists of all the things anyone's relationship does. We talk, have fun together, connect, support each other, trust each other, etc. We are just able to have sex with other people and still remain faithful within the rules that we set up for our personal needs.

 

[LUFTRAUSER]

Apparently because I'm in an open relationship, I can't use morals the same way "normal" people do.

I did not say that you lacked the capacity to do so; I merely stated that one should not expect conventional morality in an unconventional situation. I see no logical flaw with this assessment, but if perhaps you do, please feel free to inform me.

You're correct. I apologize. Allow me to educate you.

The simple fact is, both my girlfriend and myself live by a very simple, yet controversial moral rule. We separate love from sex. We have the ability and the pleasure of looking past the barriers that sex puts in a relationship, and it strengthens our bond, and always us to have fun in life. We love each other more than anyone else on the planet, and no amount of sex will change that. My relationship with her consists of all the things anyone's relationship does. We talk, have fun together, connect, support each other, trust each other, etc. We are just able to have sex with other people and still remain faithful within the rules that we set up for our personal needs.

I suspected this to be the case; this sort of bond was what I was referring to when I stated that I presumed you were emotionally intimate; the implication of course being that this emotional empathy was only shared between you two and not your other sexual partners.

 

[Lesath]

You mean identify an X chromosome? I've not been trained to as I'm not a biologist. That really is relevant. You issued a blanket statement that the biology being used in this thread was absolutely disgusting. But there are cis hetero people in here that aren't attracted to transgendered people. How is it discrimination that they aren't going to romantically involve themselves with someone who is trans on account of their natural orientation? Why is that from a biological standpoint not a legitimate orientation, and why is it in particular bigoted to have that orientation? Why am I bigoted for thinking those people are entitled to who they are? How is it different from any other sexual orientation?

Well, I won't deny that I'm a bit emotionally invested. I mean, if you're a transgendered woman, what the hell runs through your head when you have people spouting off what essentially feels like "Okay, I'll humor you, but will never really see you as a woman." Maybe I'm just projecting, but that's tragic.

If you'd recall, I actually was calling a poster for saying "no karyotype, no date" or something along those lines. My point was that something like a karyotype is something that most people cannot even hope to discern. Sure, it's a concrete thing, but it's so inaccessible that you might as well reject a girl for her grandmother's dietary history during her teenage years.

Anyway, to level with you, I would have not been comfortable with it years back, but I got over it because deep down it wasn't so much a preference, but rather a reflection of my own insecurity, the feeling of "she was once and technically still is a biological male, and I don't want to be indirectly gay". And hell, that's no reason not to give a girl you'd otherwise find attractive a chance. So yeah, I mean if you dig deep and reflect, and truly believe that somehow this concrete-yet-abstract thing is something is really that important, and not really some deep rooted fear of being thought of as homosexual by association, all the more power to you, I guess.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

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Please tell me there's more comics with this exquisite gentleman sea lion

 

[User 73706]

I did not say that you lacked the capacity to do so; I merely stated that one should not expect conventional morality in an unconventional situation. I see no logical flaw with this assessment, but if perhaps you do, please feel free to inform me.

Define conventional morality.

 

[Izuna]

I did not say that you lacked the capacity to do so; I merely stated that one should not expect conventional morality in an unconventional situation. I see no logical flaw with this assessment, but if perhaps you do, please feel free to inform me.

You have no right to do this.

 

[Cream]

I did not say that you lacked the capacity to do so; I merely stated that one should not expect conventional morality in an unconventional situation. I see no logical flaw with this assessment, but if perhaps you do, please feel free to inform me.

Yes, that logic is flawed. You are assuming that because our relationship follows the strange notion of sex outside of the relationship, that all the other relationship priorities like compatibility, trust, compassion, and understand go out the window. They do not.

I'm curious what you consider to be "conventional morality", but I'm assuming it has something to do with that.

What does sex have to do with morality?

 

[jeremy1456]

I think that the problem with this thread is that several statements have been made as absolutes. I don't think that was the intention of the posters, rather, they were giving their general opinion on the matter.

Some people are taking it literally. Getting mad which reasonably leads the other posters to become defensive. It has erupted into a fight.

I won't bother mentioning the people who have just close mindedly said that it's wrong one way or the other.

I think we can all get along if we just all admit that the sheer generalizations are what's upsetting everyone. I truly don't think anyone knows for sure on either side, and I give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

You have to take everything on a case by case basis. It would be better to say something like "I've never been attracted to a transexual person so far" rather than "I couldn't ever get over the biology."

Life throws you curve balls. Hypotheticals are tough to answer when you have limited exposure. I think that everyone deep down, no matter how they fight it, is open minded on a case by case basis.

 

[lexi]

Elsewhere on GAF it's all high-fives for finding women who can't conceive or excitement about some dude's vasectomy. How curious!

Not to mention the sheer fucking joy men exhibit when finding out their GF has finally got their period, Dancing in joy when failing paternity tests, etc

These threads? Nope, everybody is an upstanding family man.

 

[Herpes Reasons]

Not to mention the sheer fucking joy men exhibit when finding out their GF has finally got their period, Dancing in joy when failing paternity tests, etc

These threads? Nope, everybody is an upstanding family man.

Because men who are with women they don't see themselves with for the rest of their lives are happy that the woman they're with currently isn't pregnant means they shouldn't want to be with a woman who actually can get pregnant in the future? Uh...ok.

 

[LUFTRAUSER]

Define conventional morality.

I was merely basing my statements on what is generally considered to be the common standard of monogamous relationships.

I cannot, however, define morality in a truly unambiguous fashion; in my own life, I regard myself as a fundamentally amoral (but not immoral, mind you) individual, inasmuch as my conduct is entirely based on my own expectations for my own behavior. I do not engage in what I perceive to be casual relationships not out of some kind of neurotic obsession with others' opinions of me, but rather because I myself do not consider such conduct to be unbecoming of how I perceive myself. Indeed, the observance of other people engaging in such conduct does not trigger any emotional or ideological response other than, perhaps, curiosity, as the concept of judging other people using my own, personal standards for my own conduct seems utterly ridiculous.

Yes, that logic is flawed. You are assuming that because our relationship follows the strange notion of sex outside of the relationship, that all the other relationship priorities like compatibility, trust, compassion, and understand go out the window. They do not.

I'm curious what you consider to be "conventional morality", but I'm assuming it has something to do with that.

What does sex have to do with morality?

To me, sex, especially in the casual context that you described in which it is divorced from emotional empathy, has absolutely nothing to do with morality. I merely assumed that your girlfriend had told you because it was only with you that she was emotionally intimate, with her other sexual partners being of a purely physical nature; for this reason I simply assumed that it did not matter what the other men thought about her, as she wasn't a person to them so much as a vehicle for carnal gratification.

 

[Izuna]

Not to mention the sheer fucking joy men exhibit when finding out their GF has finally got their period, Dancing in joy when failing paternity tests, etc

These threads? Nope, everybody is an upstanding family man.

GAF doesn't have to be a hive mind. If you find people posting hypocritical opinions, mention it, don't group those of us who have our opinion in with the ones who say the opposite.

None of us are saying everyone should have the same opinion. We just have our own, and that's okay.

Most of the attack comes from calling those who say they want children are silly in some way, not the other way around.

 

[injurai]

Not to mention the sheer fucking joy men exhibit when finding out their GF has finally got their period, Dancing in joy when failing paternity tests, etc

These threads? Nope, everybody is an upstanding family man.

The false equivalence here...

 

[Herpes Reasons]

GAF doesn't have to be a hive mind. If you find people posting hypocritical opinions, mention it, don't group those of us who have our opinion in with the ones who say the opposite.

None of us are saying everyone should have the same opinion. We just have our own, and that's okay.

Most of the attack comes from calling those who say they want children are silly in some way, not the other way around.

The false equivalence here...

Exactly. It's quite sad that since one isn't interested in being in a relationship with a person who can't provide them with something as important as a child is for some people, that somehow that equates to bigotry.

 

[HK-47]

This thread is such a concentrated mass of assumptions we might actually witness an abstract concept gain physical form.

 

[lexi]

Must have struck a nerve.

 

[KmA]

So homsexuality and transexuality are based on preconceived notions and ideas as you say?

Wow OK, so homosexuality and transsexualism are preferences now?

not sure why it would be necessary. nobody would second guess why a gay man is attracted to men, for example.

Plenty of people second guess why gay men are attracted to men. I've had numerous guys ask me how would I know if I'm not straight since I've never been with a woman. It's a symptom of a hetero-normative society. But again, sexual orientations are not preferences.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

May I also suggest that many men will be freaked out by the idea of fatherhood when they aren't ready but just as equally embrace it when it happens?