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[TheXfactor]

That wasn't a flash knockout. You must be thinking of a flash knockdown, where a guy gets clip and the lights go out for a second but he is able to get back to his feet fairly quickly and isn't still shaken.

Manny was hammered and out for some time. He was well and truly KTFO by Marquez.

the point he was trying to say is that it was a once in a life time shot that i dont think anyone will ever land on him with that vengeance. I dont see how its possible at all for mayweather to pull that off, his power is significantly weaker than marquezs, especially during that fight.


I got manny by UD, think the speed will frustrate mayweather as well as the angles and he wont be able to recover from it

 

[MVP]

That wasn't a flash knockout. You must be thinking of a flash knockdown, where a guy gets clip and the lights go out for a second but he is able to get back to his feet fairly quickly and isn't still shaken.

Manny was hammered and out for some time. He was well and truly KTFO by Marquez.

Not like a flash knockdown, I guess I used the wrong phrase. What I mean is it was a miracle homerun shot, think of Rahman back in the day KOing Lennox Lewis out of nowhere. He landed a lucky as hell shot while he was being badly dominated, and I guess technically it counted as a "loss" on the record, but no one really would hold that loss against Lewis. Of course he came back and embarrassed Rahman in their rematch.

Point is, Pac hasn't had a legitimate loss any time recently, and neither has Floyd. The fight is a lot closer than people are making it out to be, which is why I'm keeping my money away from this fight and just enjoying it. Vegas has it about right, -250 or -275, which means the opponent has a legitimate shot but a clear underdog, but casual boxing fans will eventually pile in on Mayweather and drive it up. If it gets too stupid I might drop a dime on Pacquiao.

 

[JasonUresti]

Not like a flash knockdown, I guess I used the wrong phrase. What I mean is it was a miracle homerun shot, think of Rahman back in the day KOing Lennox Lewis out of nowhere. He landed a lucky as hell shot while he was being badly dominated, and I guess technically it counted as a "loss" on the record, but no one really would hold that loss against Lewis. Of course he came back and embarrassed Rahman in their rematch.

Point is, Pac hasn't had a legitimate loss any time recently, and neither has Floyd. The fight is a lot closer than people are making it out to be, which is why I'm keeping my money away from this fight and just enjoying it. Vegas has it about right, -250 or -275, which means the opponent has a legitimate shot but a clear underdog, but casual boxing fans will eventually pile in on Mayweather and drive it up. If it gets too stupid I might drop a dime on Pacquiao.

Lewis wasn't dominating that fight though. It was even or Rahman up on the cards before Rahman KO'ed Lewis. That wasn't a lucky shot either, Lewis was leaving his left hand low and in Rahman was looking hard for the right hand right before he threw it.

Of course the loss was legitimate to Marquez. Marquez was looking for a right hand counter for most of that round, and finally got it. Knockout. Yeah he was in trouble, but he stayed calm and sharp where and took the shot that Manny gave him.

I'm also not the only one that feels that Marquez had already beaten Manny at least once by decision in their previous fights.

 

[Syphon Filter]

the point he was trying to say is that it was a once in a life time shot that i dont think anyone will ever land on him with that vengeance. I dont see how its possible at all for mayweather to pull that off, his power is significantly weaker than marquezs, especially during that fight.


I got manny by UD, think the speed will frustrate mayweather as well as the angles and he wont be able to recover from it

People using excuses for marquez getting him well. Marquez knows manny since they fought many times. He had that planned and hoped to land it for a while. I can see Floyd knocking manny down if he does his check left hook.

 

[K.Jack]

Vegas has it about right, -250 or -275, which means the opponent has a legitimate shot but a clear underdog, but casual boxing fans will eventually pile in on Mayweather and drive it up. If it gets too stupid I might drop a dime on Pacquiao.

Yeah I have PBF winning, but I'll still put something down on Pac if the line gets tasty.

It isn't the blowout people are talking like it'll be. If Pac can taunt him into slugging, he might catch lightning.

 

[IrishNinja]

I don't even watch boxing but I hope maywheather loses, smug douchebag.

oh he's gonna be so smug when he wins too

so very smug

lol @ anyone thinking Pac has "no chance".

this is also true
mayweather could have a pulmonary embolism
an anvil could drop on his way into the ring
anything can happen

 

[DrZeus]

We needed this as boxing fans. I'm taking my vitamins,saying my prayers, and drinking milk to ready my body. Yaaaaass!

 

[RC]

I've been waiting for this for years. I can't see Pac pulling off the upset but I'll hope for it.

 

[OminousShadow]

Oh my god its actually happening.

Gonna be sooooo HYPE. Plenty of time till May 2 to ready my body.

Rooting for you Pac.

 

[talisayNon]

Excited that this is finally happening but I dont think I can stomach another pac knockdown.

 

[norm9]

Excited that this is finally happening but I dont think I can stomach another pac knockdown.

Money's not knocking anyone out. (I hope)

 

[TheStruggler]

if mayweather wins people will say they knew it was going to happen, if manny wins he will reach god status

 

[charsace]

He defiantly got knocked the fuck out, but could happen to anyone that got clocked like that. I think way to much emphasis is placed on that knockout. My money is on Mayweather, but counting out Pac for that is stupid.

Nothing about the KO was a fluke. Marquez set a trap and Manny fell for it.

 

[Turin]

My prediction is and always has been Floyd by decision in a good tactical fight.

I'd be happy if Manny won because he seems like a decent human being whereas Floyd is anything but that.

I just think Floyd's the better fighter.

 

[FourMyle]

manny going to sleep once more

 

[SquashMatch]

I will be in Vegas that weekend for my buddy's bachelor weekend. I have been to Vegas a few times but never for a fight weekend, especially a fight like this.. ..

How crazy is the strip going to be that weekend?

 

[A More Normal Bird]

Unless Floyd gets popped he will probably win by split decision.

He's no longer a ruthless finisher (even though he didn't finish that fight but he went for it), and against Mayweather he's going to have to bring that Pacquiao back from the dead for one fight, or he will lose by split decision. I'm guessing either fighter will win by split decision, don't see either one cruising. It certainly won't be easy though, and he definitely doesn't have "no chance".

Mayweather for the split-decision.

A split decision means that one judge scores the fight for one fighter whilst the other two score it for the other. This is a very specific and odd prediction to make. Apologies if you already knew this but it's a common mistake; a unanimous decision doesn't mean that the victor won all rounds on all scorecards, only that all judges had that fighter winning a majority of the rounds/ahead on points (a majority decision is if one judge scores the bout a draw whilst the others agree on a winner).

 

[MVP]

Marquez was looking for a right hand counter for most of that round, and finally got it. Knockout. Yeah he was in trouble, but he stayed calm and sharp where and took the shot that Manny gave him.

People using excuses for marquez getting him well. Marquez knows manny since they fought many times. He had that planned and hoped to land it for a while.

Nothing about the KO was a fluke. Marquez set a trap and Manny fell for it.

Yeah after 4 fights he finally decided to set that trap. It was the plan all along, to lose 3 and a half fights, and then boom, land that counter.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Yeah after 4 fights he finally decided to set that trap. It was the plan all along, to lose 3 and a half fights, and then boom, land that counter.

Lol if you really think Paq won the first 3 Marquez fights

 

[MVP]

Lol if you really think Paq won the first 3 Marquez fights

They were close but just because someone tends to win in dominating fashion doesn't mean their tough fights are losses. That's like saying Mayweather lost his first fight against Castillo. Yeah it was closer than the rest of his fights but nah...

 

[dr3upmushroom]

Mayweather vs Pacquiao


...in 2015.

 

[MVP]

A split decision means that one judge scores the fight for one fighter whilst the other two score it for the other. This is a very specific and odd prediction to make. Apologies if you already knew this but it's a common mistake; a unanimous decision doesn't mean that the victor won all rounds on all scorecards, only that all judges had that fighter winning a majority of the rounds/ahead on points (a majority decision is if one judge scores the bout a draw whilst the others agree on a winner).

I've always predicted any fight a split decision when I think it'll be close or controversial enough that the judges/public will be split on who won, but yeah technically you're right. I wonder how many people I've secretly made cringe.

 

[Leunam]

Yeah after 4 fights he finally decided to set that trap. It was the plan all along, to lose 3 and a half fights, and then boom, land that counter.

Are you suggesting it was a lucky shot? Because what they're saying, that Marquez timed that counter well and was able to set it up thanks to his experience in the match up, is dead on with what happened.

 

[Rawr Its Ry]

Would've loved for this to happen earlier, gonna be hype still.
Pretty Boy Floyd gonna whoop that ass. Filipino relatives not gonna like me during that ppv

 

[Turin]

I thought Marquez won the first fight but the next two were pretty clear Pacquiao wins in my viewing. Especially the third fight(people were just astonished it was even competitive).

In the 4th fight, Manny took a massive risk in adopting a balls to walls mentality to try to dominate Marquez. It gave Juan Manuel the opening he needed and, like a real champion, he capitalized on it.

 

[Tekniqs]

Roy fell into his haters line of thinking that he never fought anyone noteworthy in his career besides a green Hopkins and an overweight Tony.

Roy took a chance fighting Tarver after the drop in weight to prove the haters wrong. He knew the risk and the rest is history.

tarver 1 is probably my favorite fight from Roy. He showed that if he needed to, he could dig down and grind out a win. Crazy that Tarver seemed more winded at the end of the 11th/12th than Roy did....and Roy was gassed from like the 6th round on lol

 

[metalslimer]

My prediction is and always has been Floyd by decision in a good tactical fight.

I'd be happy if Manny won because he seems like a decent human being whereas Floyd is anything but that.

I just think Floyd's the better fighter.

He is not a decent human being

 

[Tekniqs]

The fight was going down in 2010 at one point right? I think i remember some ads,was a contract signed back then?

Floyd claimed he had signed already. The outfit he wore against Ortiz was the outfit he made for the Pac fight that he thought was going to come to fruition.

 

[Bay Maximus]

Money Mayweather by decision. Everyone knows this.

Still buying tho

 

[Tekniqs]

lol @ anyone thinking Pac has "no chance".

Floyd doesn't like fighting quick southpaws, got dazed (and should have been a knockdown) by both Corley (far inferior fighter) and Mosley, and hasn't looked great in his last few fights against subpar competition.

Pacquiao on the other hand has dominated all of his recent fights, and besides that flash knockout against Marquez, a fight he was also dominating, he hasn't looked bad in any single recent fight. Last shitty fight he had was probably Clottey who was way underrated at the time. He beat Bradley easily the first time but was robbed, so he came back and beat him easily again. Those "two" losses are what has people thinking this will be such an easy fight for Mayweather, but I don't think it will.

The problem for Manny is that this relentless version of him:

http://youtu.be/11pBCi_0T8w?t=30s

is gone. He's no longer a ruthless finisher (even though he didn't finish that fight but he went for it), and against Mayweather he's going to have to bring that Pacquiao back from the dead for one fight, or he will lose by split decision. I'm guessing either fighter will win by split decision, don't see either one cruising. It certainly won't be easy though, and he definitely doesn't have "no chance".

so floyd getting wobbled by Corley means it should have been a knock down? he came back and wobbled Corley that same round.
Floyd's knees buckled when Shane hit him with that second right hand but it's not like his ass/glove touched the canvas.

You must be thinking of Judah...which was more of a balance shot than Floyd being hurt. Floyd stepped in to deliver a body shot with his right..Judah ended up stepping Floyd's foot (accident) as he stepped into the right hook that found Floyd's face.

 

[MVP]

Are you suggesting it was a lucky shot? Because what they're saying, that Marquez timed that counter well and was able to set it up thanks to his experience in the match up, is dead on with what happened.

It isn't the first time in their 4 fights he tried that, he's lucky he finally landed it. Pacquiao was over-anxious the whole fight coming in, he's probably tired of fighting this dude already and just wanted to end it, and he got caught.

Getting caught is not a demoralizing loss. People were actually calling for Pac to retire after that, it's ridiculous. When you discount that miracle punch, he really hasn't legitimately lost in a while. He hasn't been outclassed or just put on a performance from beginning to end where you can say ok, he lost, the other guy won. Had he gone Roy Jones and just kept getting KO'ed after that, then ok time to hang them up, but no, he got caught, then just kept winning as usual going forward.

 

[Tekniqs]

I thought Marquez won the first fight but the next two were pretty clear Pacquiao wins in my viewing. Especially the third fight(people were just astonished it was even competitive).

In the 4th fight, Manny took a massive risk in adopting a balls to walls mentality to try to dominate Marquez. It gave Juan Manuel the opening he needed and, like a real champion, he capitalized on it.

you thought the 3rd fight was CLEAR manny win?

 

[Tekniqs]

It isn't the first time in their 4 fights he tried that, he's lucky he finally landed it. Pacquiao was over-anxious the whole fight coming in, he's probably tired of fighting this dude already and just wanted to end it, and he got caught.

Getting caught is not a demoralizing loss. People were actually calling for Pac to retire after that, it's ridiculous. When you discount that miracle punch, he really hasn't legitimately lost in a while. He hasn't been outclassed or just put on a performance from beginning to end where you can say ok, he lost, the other guy won. Had he gone Roy Jones and just kept getting KO'ed after that, then ok time to hang them up, but no, he got caught, then just kept winning as usual going forward.

uhhh..he's landed a number of right hands on Pac before the one that put him to sleep. Hell, he landed looping right hands on Pacquiao in the first fight.

"If we disregard that JMM put Pacquiao to sleep, then Pacquiao hasn't a legit lost in a while"...lol awesome dude

 

[Leunam]

It isn't the first time in their 4 fights he tried that, he's lucky he finally landed it. Pacquiao was over-anxious the whole fight coming in, he's probably tired of fighting this dude already and just wanted to end it, and he got caught.

Getting caught is not a demoralizing loss. People were actually calling for Pac to retire after that, it's ridiculous. When you discount that miracle punch, he really hasn't legitimately lost in a while. He hasn't been outclassed or just put on a performance from beginning to end where you can say ok, he lost, the other guy won. Had he gone Roy Jones and just kept getting KO'ed after that, then ok time to hang them up, but no, he got caught, then just kept winning as usual going forward.

Do everyone a favor and stop calling it a miracle punch.

 

[talisayNon]

Well I'm a Pac fan, but Pac has a 'puncher's chance' meaning he has close to no chance. lol

 

[Turin]

He is not a decent human being

Maybe you know something I don't. I never really heard anything too bad about Manny besides his alcoholism and a dumbass comment on gay marriage.

Floyd's pig headedness has been well documented.

you thought the 3rd fight was CLEAR manny win?

Uhm, yes. It was very competitive and Manny looked more agitated than anything but I didn't think it was that close. 7-5 for Manny at best. I couldn't even see a draw in that fight whereas the second fight could have conceivably been a draw(I had Manny winning by a point).

The first fight was a Marquez win regardless of how you scored the first round.

 

[Tekniqs]

Well I'm a Pac fan, but Pac has a 'puncher's chance' meaning he has close to no chance. lol

his best chance (IMO) is to catch Floyd early on with something really hard and maybe it'll make Floyd gun shy. I can't see Pac winning a decision; an early KO/TKO (slim chance as it is) is more feasible than a decision I think.

 

[talisayNon]

Manny cheats on his wife....so what moral high ground does anyone have here

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I need to know which of these two guys who punches people in the face for a living has the moral high ground!

 

[S-Wind]

I will be in Vegas that weekend for my buddy's bachelor weekend. I have been to Vegas a few times but never for a fight weekend, especially a fight like this.. ..

How crazy is the strip going to be that weekend?

Well... Given the sheer amount of Filipino-Americans who live and work in Vegas....

 

[Radec]

About time!

 

[Leunam]

I need to know which of these two guys who punches people in the face for a living has the moral high ground!

Well Gennady Golovkin seems like a cool dude.

 

[Turin]

Hey, nothing immoral about professional fighting. That's my opinion anyway.

 

[kasane]

its ironic that its syphon who posted this loll

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

The punch that laid pacquiao out against Marquez was a punch that's he been throwing against him in every fight, he just happened to have caught him in that fight.

 

[cardinalmind]

I can sleep well on that day then. The capital (Manila) looks like it really stops when Pacquiao fights. Both are past their prime but I think this will still be a good fight. Hope they don't skimp out on the undercards though, as I see the prices for this to be quite high.

 

[Lee Chaolan]

Wow, went from never to really soon. May be the first fight I watch since Rocky

 

[smurfx]

only way pac wins this is if mayweather fucks around and keeps it close on purpose to get interest up for the rematch. he should be able to keep pac out for the whole 12 rounds.

 

[kasane]

lol money's schtick is making people think they can knock him out but they cant

i aint even a pacquiao stan or a mayweather stan but i can see this being a good fight somehow

 

[smurfx]

oh wow so hbo and showtime are going to team up for this fight? hopefully hbo does 24/7 episodes then.